Will our civilization fall?

I guess this is a type of poll.

Do you think our civilization will fall? As in collapse, As in a break down of civil services, police and military, government and the economy and communication, the power grid and travel?

If you agree how do you think this will occur and a time frame.

If you don't think our civilization will fall, explain why and your vision of the future.

[one of my theory 101] I feel the resources wars have been raging for almost a decade nearly bankrupting the USA and this will lead to the economic collapse of our country and this will start a domino affect worldwide, social chaos, starvation, armed conflict here in the states made just more worst by climate change will lead us into a new dark age.

This is not related to 2012, per say.

I do..simply because history dictates the future. Civilizations have risen and fallen since man began on this planet.
No matter how much we thought we conquered, or how advanced we think we may be, we are not immune to the fate that we have set up for ourselves.
We are just too blind and cocky to see it.

reply to post by LDragonFire

History says yes, all civilizations fail, but I wouldn't even begin to suggest when. It depends on the strength and intellectual capabilities of the populace, and the strength and intellectual capabilities of its leaders.
Beyond that, I got nothing for you.
That the great United States of America might be the stuff of history someday is inevitable... but hopefully as Western Civilization took its cues from the Greeks and Romans, so might what comes after look to us for their great ideas.
Let's hope anyway.

As previous poster said; this pattern of rise and fall has occured every time, even controversial archeological evidence points that there have likely been prior civilisations to recorded history....

Economically we are doomed, whenever a bank can print out many times (and more) money than it has in reserve and sell it to you in the form of a loan it has devalued the very money supply we rely on. This and many other factors create a bubble that cannot last forever... just like any civilisation.

Ecologically we are also doomed at our current rate.. throwing things away - where is away? We are attempting to run a finite system infinitely.

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I look at The Roman Empire and then compare that to us,so yes I think it is inevitable.
The timeframe could be anywhere from now to 20 years.
I don't see it lasting 20 more years without big changes that lead to the fall of our civilization.

reply to post by LDragonFire

Will our civilization fall?

Will??? will??? It already did!!

Lets see what happened in the last 300 years...

• Slavery
  
• Extermination of American Natives
  
• Apartheid social-model
  
• Nazism
  
• Jew holocaust
  
• Two world wars
  
• Two nuclear blasts in populated areas
  
• Chinese barbarism over Tibetans
  
• Cold war (warm war??) with parallel conflicts: Vietnam, Cambodia, socialist republics of Eastern Europe and goes on...
  
• Middle East hell
  
• Muslim terrorism
  
• Latin drug empires
  
• Military-lab made epidemics to reduce populations, as AIDS, Ebola and Swine Flu
  
• Environment control weapons as HAARP
  
• Bogus religions and a millenarian cover up agenda to hide from mankind, that gods and angels were extraterrestrial beings
  
• Trivialization of sex, pornography, pedophilia, destruction of human dignity.
  
• Gun pop culture
  

I'm tired and this list goes far away... but that's my point!!
Are this thread talking about something that ALREADY happened??? People are that silly??? If your are referring as "fall", some kinda physical global destruction, it can happen by two ways: Another global war or a global natural cataclysm. Then the question to be made here, is: When are we gonna pay the price????

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I think USA falls first, then china, then the rest. If you take a look on the peoples health, they will start a war against all and against everyone.

They no longer know and want to know the truth about things.

Obama a Fascist? Ask Italians!

yes

we would need some kind of supernatural event to really fix our society, for me its clear

all leaders in our world dont really care about you, they care about $$ organizations ... its not like they cant get some AI to do your job, so you wont be needed in the future

It is inevitable.

In X years some "event" will cause all humans to be wiped out and a new species will emerge and create their own history.

Of course it will fall...all civilizations fall...either from a lack of inspiration... environmental degradation or simply age and weight...but that really isn't the question...

the real question is whether a new civilization will replace us OR have we been burning the proverbial candle at both ends for so long that precious little (even without nuclear war or mishap) will be left to work with?

We don't need aliens...even if they exist at all...or supposedly evil government monster weapons that screw with the structure of things even if it even exists at all...or even an all powerful secret society...even if it exists at all...to bring us down...we are perfectly capable of doing it ourselves...

and conversely we don't need any of those things to save us either...we just need the heart to and stop putting nationalities; politics, and a profits before everything else, first.

If we make that change of heart there is hope...but as it stands...if we continue business as usual...and to date I see no sign that we are changing...then we; not just Americans, but the whole global structure is doomed.

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A few years ago I really believed that humans made it over the hump. WWII really showed how fragile Europe was, but they emerged a Union. The cold war was over, China was pumping out cheap crap and America was leading in Technology. The world is so much smaller now and no country is completely isolated (North Korea is close) from the rest.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but in the US I am seeing a dumbing down and a welfare system that is dragging us down quickly. The X generation gave birth to the "Me" generation and these little bastards won't stand up for nothing. This "me" mentality and sense of entitlement will bring us down ( it has already started).

It's only a matter of time. I give you this quote, it has been attributed to a number of different people. Whether it is a real quote or not is open for debate, but it raises an interesting point.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage."

First, define "our civilization".

Are you speaking locally, regionally, or globally?

The local US civilization is on its last legs. It has, at most, another two years before it disappears like the USSR did, for pretty much the same reasons. Mind you, the people will remain, just like the Maya are still there, but their civilization exists only in trace form. But the end may come as soon as this year, if the weather keeps being nasty.

1. Human beings will ALWAYS survive. It had done so for hundred thousands of years and will continue to do so. The only event that can wipe out mankind is

a. Our sun burning out ( billions of years later)
b. A meteor larger than Earth strikes us. (if that large, mankind would have advance warning and moon or Mars may be our base)
c. Advancement of Technologies beyond responsible political control

2. Civilisation will ALWAYS continue in form or another. Man can never live alone and eventually will form communities for mutual benefits and protection - the very basic building blocks of civilisation.

3. Political idealogies will differ from time to time. Centuries of Monarchy gave way to democracy and communism. Political beliefs will eventually evolve to suit mankind based on necessity.

4. Technology, for good or bad, will continue to evolve as well, as man build upon current known knowledge to aquire better understanding of himself and his environment since the dawn of modern recorded civilisation, from the creation of fire to today's DNA manipulation.

As long as technology is controlled by responsible political idealogies, betterment of mankind may evolve further and faster. If not, than it will be own doom that may be accelerated.

Eventually I am certain that our civilisation will fall and it would be delusional and probably naive of me to think that this civilisation that we are all part of could last forever. At some point we will (not if) encounter a crisis of such insurmountable proportions that there will be no escaping it or avoiding it and the glue that keeps this lovely merry-go-round trundling on will come unstuck.

This crisis point and the event that will unglue our civilisation will come either by nature or by human hand because war is something that evolves and we push the boundaries of the horrors of war all the time.

The key to our ultimate survival is to remove all the eggs from one basket and start spreading them around by developing space faring colonies and setting up home on other worlds. Only then for the first time in our total history (as we know it) will we counter the chance of ultimate extinction from a global catastrophe resembling an extinction level event in the form of a country sized asteroid or comet.

If not asteroid impacts then it will something else very bad.

If nature is destined to be the means of our destruction it would be something so catastrophic that it would take generations to rebuild if at all.

We cannot dodge a bullet forever because the earth and our future is part of a cosmic shooting gallery!

Thanks for the replies

When I mean civilization falling I was talking about a complete collapse. No electricity, no water, no trash service, no government, no police or fire protection, no communication.

Im attempting to see if other here can grasp what this will look like, and the likelihood of this happening. There are many in the world right now that see us entering a era where decline is the norm.

They say the Roman Empire collapsed because of greed and corruption, they say the ancient American civilization collapsed because of running out of resources, and they say that all the above plus environment changes will do us in.

Is it possible for a worldwide global civilization to fall and just how quickly this can occur? Many will say we have brought this on ourselves, that we have no one to blame but us, that instead of living with our environment we chose to mold our environment to serve us.

Im not talking about the end of people, just the end of our global society.

What say you? or will the end of our society/civilization be the end of people/humans?

Our civilization is the continuance of the Greek and Roman and it is physically utterly destroyed as it's early ruins are to us today,
yet it does serve the ultimate establishment of the lasting reign of Jerusalem as the Capitol of the Universe, and though no American survives some do make Aliyah through a patient and long Exodus in a wilderness.

The Fall of America is 'wonderful' to use a Bible colloquial, and I'd both love and hate dealing with it protractedly- mostly because there's so0 much hypothesis and conjecture complicating already confused renderings and readings made whole teachings, I don't see any way those so far indoctrinated and committed can even reconsider to stand corrected, they've wore out their restart button!

The real way to know it all correctly is called "0bservance" and involves the Bible's missing Calendar from the Dead Sea Scrolls with some essential Judaic orientation (Blessed is the Learner of the Letters and Words!). That may seem a Religious statement but that is itself simply an observance of the facts as the Prophets have testified and proved true to date. But it is difficult for most to have insight to the Prophecy without some insight to the world and vice-versa, these independent indivisibly codependent... the generation of the world wars and nuclear weapons didn't connect them to Bible, and thus further less obvious advances in it's fulfillment go unnoticed!

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