Internet Urgently Needs More Regulations, Speaker Says

If TPTB are truely worried about us and our internets, they can spend a bit of time and resources making a bulletproof firewall and virus scanner then put it on the net for free download by anyone whom cares to secure their net.

Freedom of information and expression is (lets face it) the only real freedom any of us have in the world. all the rest can and probably will be regulated and clamped down, but the net is truely where ground must be held to keep it free from regulations, content banning, etc.

If I had a choice to either have the world disarm, or lose all control to the net, I would rather lose the guns than the net...(mostly because I can find online how to build a gun out of household products anyhow should the need arise).

I think they (the shadow spooky government) is more nervous about intellectuals passing out hidden and new technologies online...it really hampers the whole supression of technology effort when every other server has how-to's on cold fusion or whatnot.

Follow the money here folks...who gains the most from a supressed information sharing source.

they need to place in context their suggestions with regulation itself; and then come back to the table with regulations that do not include regulating what man has come to know as the internet.

Originally posted by Crossfate
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Everyone that uses the internet could learn how to use it properly and learn what they should and shouldn't do so that this "horrendously dangerous environment" isn't so dangerous.

They should learn how viruses and different scripts work. Some simple Google searches will yield much usable...

And who is going to be given the job of defining "properly". I'm sure that responsibility will be gladly taken by corporate interests. Isn't this exactly what we are trying to avoid?

reply to post by SaturnFX


I totally agree with you... The thing is, by knowing who is releasing the new ideas and technologies, it gives them a direction for suppressing it. The internet always works at their advantage... they put it here and its intended use is happening... if not, it would be much different.

[Curtain Opens]
Ahhh... so someone has found some legitimate free energy... lets take him out and change the website to show modified results and make him out to be a nut job because of his "created" surfing habits of pornography and drug manufacturing...
[Curtain Closes]

We are simply already owned... just face the music


*edit for pathetic spelling

[edit on 10-2-2010 by TommyG]

reply to post by soficrow


Yea, all this freedom your talking about is like walking through a warzone.
Keep thinking that.
You have one company getting pissed at another and creating a virus that negates the virus software.
Then you have to buy bigger computers to hold all the programs that you need to navigate the warzone.
Funny how FREE the internet really is. And the computer companies are making money hand over fist.

But everyone's answer is to buy more of their software.

Funny how that works.


By the way, think about how it started:

ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency Network), created by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) of the United States Department of Defense, was the world's first operational packet switching network, and the predecessor of the contemporary global Internet. The packet switching of the ARPANET was based on designs by Lawrence Roberts, of the Lincoln Laboratory.[1

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[edit on 10-2-2010 by nixie_nox]

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I'm not quite sure what your point is nixie_nox...?

I made some suggestions to help make your InterNet experience more comfortable.

You say

ll this freedom your talking about is like walking through a warzone.

I really don't think it's that bad, but in any event, I'm okay with it. If you are not, may I recommend the public library?

Funny how FREE the internet really is.

And the computer companies are making money hand over fist.

Again, I'm okay with it. If you're not, there are other options to shutting down the InterNet.

For starters, you could take the time to learn about computers and the InterNet - if you don't, you will always be at the mercy of people who know what they're doing, and you'll have to keep paying premium prices.

By the way, think about how it started:

ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency Network), created by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) of the United States Department of Defense, was the world's first operational packet switching network, and the predecessor of the contemporary global Internet. The packet switching of the ARPANET was based on designs by Lawrence Roberts, of the Lincoln Laboratory.[1

The way I heard it, a couple of the guys involved in ARPANET's development were very concerned that the military did not plan to share the miracle with the public - so they went rogue, broke confidentiality, told the secret and released the goodies.

I think it's a good thing.

...If you don't, that's okay.

However, I do not believe that your unwillingness to take responsibility for your own personal freedom is a legitimate rationale to terminate MY rights and freedoms.

Respectfully,
sofi


PS. GREAT posts everyone - starring as I read.

what`s the reaction of all those companies that make anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-malware and all types of anti-sh*tware so far? i heard they make their own viruses so they can protect you from that threat. if they go to that length to make their living they should be pretty pissed off.

[edit on 10-2-2010 by marsvolta]

I disagree with the so-called "experts".

The internet doesn't need any more regulation. From what I can tell, the internet does a fine enough job of regulating itself. You can get along ok as it is now if you learn some common sense. If you're stupid enough to click on the free smileys popup or that email from Nigeria, it's your own fault. People also need to understand that they should watch their own kids to keep them away from trouble, protecting them isn't everyone elses job. Nor should it be. There's also reliable enough sources that it's not too hard to educate yourself on how to protect your computer from troubles, and things like decent malware scans and antiviruses can be had for free. And there's other protections available that will keep your browser from reaching the bad parts of the internet or loading and running scripts that may try to do annoying or malicious things.

In other words, what makes the internet wonderful is the ability not only to peruse information at will, but also partake in exposure to various cultures whether geographic and worldly or perhaps the newer online cultures. In a way it has created an overall world meta-culture that may look out for the common man and allow some form of brotherhood that is unlike anything claimed by a society or civilization previous to now. (Maybe this is why some governments and politicians are afraid? People learn that people world over are usually good and with the same interests at heart, it's the organizations and control structures in place that are universally corrupt and stupid. It probably doesn't help that most of the internet culture is tolerant of if not encouraging creative chaos and frivolity that gives authoritarians and the power-hungry the cold sweats.)

Although I couldn't claim to speak for any one group, I'm sure all the major internet groups I know of would agree about forced government imposed regulations. Whether ATS, the chans, Slashdot, Digg, Something Awful, (internet company name)-groups, common everyday YouTubers, various other forums, misc. chat services and IRC. The opinion would be something like this: We were here first noobs, GT*O!

Obviously that's not the most polite way of saying it, but provided of how much I know of and deal with the internet, it's a statement that I respect and agree with.

(If you really want and must have certain rules, start your own site or domain and you can impose them at will there. Leave everything and everybody else alone.)

The internet is comparable to any vibrant major metropolitan area or world city that is unique and worth visiting. It has its good parts and its bad parts, and both parts are inherent to the nature of how it works. You should bother to learn where the bad parts are and avoid them, likewise you don't go forcing your standards upon the parts of town that have their own unique culture without expecting some kind of backlash, it is simply better to leave them be. You shouldn't believe everything a random stranger may say and particularly those hawking questionable wares on the street corner. And of course you don't leave your car parked unlocked with the keys in it and valuables in sight. And provided that you're a parent with some semblence of common sense, you probably don't let your kids go wandering off on their own until you trust that they have enough sense to deal with issues that life may throw at them. Most people haven't had too many problems dealing with this in real life, so why should the internet be any different?

[edit on 11-2-2010 by pauljs75]

[edit on 11-2-2010 by pauljs75]

I am very concerned about recent efforts to control and regulate the Internet.

...started another thread on the topic. Here's the link and the text:


Define Freedom of the Press: Is the InterNet the New Press?

We have a Constitutional Right to Freedom of the Press, along with Freedom of Speech.

The Internet is the new "Press."

Therefor, the new Internet controls and regulations are unconstitutional.

The legal "out" is matter of definition - when the Constitution was written, "Press" referred to printing presses.

Because the Internet does not involve physical printing presses, lawmakers think they're off the hook - according to the "letter of the law."

But NO, they are NOT.

The spirit of Constitutional Law has nothing to do with machinery and technology.


I would argue that the real reason for Internet regulations and controls is to protect mega-corporations' right to profit from "information products" as commodities, for purposes of trade, as originally determined and defined in the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

The public focus on online personal privacy, national security and cyber-terrorism constitute little more than a communications strategy designed to terrorize citizens into compliance.


Time to fight back,
soficrow

Internet = Global Consciousness

Let's not give them even a slightest chance of limiting its growth.

Originally posted by eventHorizon
Internet = Global Consciousness

Let's not give them even a slightest chance of limiting its growth.

They're already doing it. (Australia, France, Italy, Greece, US?) ...and the US is positioning to make major moves to "protect national security."

...I really do think something came down at the February 6, 2010 G7 meeting - all kinds of countries are suddenly taking action with Internet controls and regulations - all to protect innocent people, of course.

- sofi

Nah, just needs more ways to tax internet commerce.

They just wont say it, but in the end that is what they want.

Imagine the revenue potential if everything on the internet was taxed?

Man, they could pay off the interest on the national debt in a short time.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Nah, just needs more ways to tax internet commerce.

They just wont say it, but in the end that is what they want.

Imagine the revenue potential if everything on the internet was taxed?

Man, they could pay off the interest on the national debt in a short time.

It's the Corporate Global Government that needs Internet controls to protect their interests. Not individual nations.

Looks to me like the Corporate Global Government "allied" with China on the issue of Internet control at the G7 meeting on February 6, 2010.

Now the world's democracies are getting squeezed from both sides - and they can't take the pressure.


- sofi

reply to post by soficrow


If they can control the internet.

It is already happening in many countries... and commerce is the tool.

For example if you have an IP in Denmark, you can't access eBay USA. There are other examples out there.

They will eventually control the internet in many ways... Paying for news content is high on their agenda... and if they can make that happen then they can also control that news content. Also they are seeking ways of controlling advertising which will make it extremely difficult for FREE websites to remain that way.

The problem is these changes are happening slowly behind the scenes.

The internet is too big, too powerful and too lucrative to simply leave free.

10 years from now, what will it be like?

How much will it cost to access a site and post this much text?

Hmmm, if I sent this post as text messages now how much would that cost me?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$




[edit on 12-2-2010 by Walkswithfish]

Originally posted by nixie_nox
There is already a second internet. Because the first has gotten to commercial and full of bs.

Just like IRC in the early days, there will always be fringes where people can hang out and do what they want.

The net isn't one thing that can be controlled. What I think needs to happen is you have the part that is regulated and controlled for the average use. Then you have the parts that are left alone. Like internet three and four.

I actually wouldn't mind part of the net with a safe designation. Nothing like trying to do research for your kid and porn pops up.The amount of viruses are unreal. And people's computers are getting bogged down.

I will get upset the day the states start putting sales tax on.

Nixie_nox - I really would like to know more about what you think, although I originally found some of your ideas off-putting and kind of "took you on."

After reading more and sleeping on it, I can see how several UNCONNECTED networks might work, including:

1. A military network (already exists);
2. A network to coordinate utilities and public services (should have been set up from the get-go, wasn't);
3. A highly regulated and controlled "Baby Network" for children and adults who are relatively illiterate with respect to computers, programs and the Internet in general; and
4. The real Internet for everyone else. ...My concern is that this Internet should stay the same, excepting for removing the physical coordination of public services and utilities.

Is this what you had in mind?

Respectfully,
sofi

While there are those in the USA that understand that the Internet is a means to more news and information than the elite want us to have. Add in the ability to influence or communicate with those from other nations and you can quickly see and or understand why the elite must shut down the internet or control it so that no one can freely communicate ever again.

Pelosi is a sock puppet for hidden masters and as long as she is on the payroll for the NWO agenda, then she will do whatever she is asked to do and will submit whatever legislation that is needed to end and curtail the American public's right to communicate across state lines but also across the oceans to other nations suffering from the same global corrupt system that is trying to shut down all free societies ability to freely communicate with each other, stay informed on matters important to the public, or to organize effectively to achieve a common goal that the elite would rather we not pursue.

The Internet will continue to undermine the elites plans and so we now see that they, the elite also understand this fact and are moving to eliminate our ability to communicate or stay informed.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish

The internet is too big, too powerful and too lucrative to simply leave free.

But.

That's what we need, what I want here.

Can you help figure out how to Keep the Web Free?



Thanks. sofi

reply to post by soficrow


Nope, all I can suggest is for you and everyone else to enjoy as much of the free web as they can before it is all but gone and you find yourselves paying to access everything.

With continuing and worsening economic troubles governments and major corporate entities will exploit the internet for every bit of profits and revenues they can get.

Watch as major corporate entities and governments work together to gain ever more controls over the internet and slowly make it what they want.

They will push all of the free web sites out of business, or they will be forced to make people pay for memberships and access in order to survive.

Just need some new laws and stricter regulations to get there.

Seriously, there will be no stopping this... it is inevitable.

reply to post by soficrow
I want less regulation and I want it now! Between the 'Think of the Children,' 'National Security' and the powerful 'Intellectual Property Rights' arguments, the Internet is at risk of becoming like commercial TV.

Powerful interests are exploiting the misdeeds of small minorities to control the medium and the message.

I'm a Slashdot and Zeropaid member. The increasing erosion of privacy, freedom of expression, anonymity and communities disturbs me.

Until recently I was running a Tor Relay through the Vidalia bundle. My intention was to support the communication of dissidents from China, Middle East and anyone else. It was an easy way to challenge the Establishment. Unfortunately, UK Tor Relays are short-lived affairs. An account of a person being 'dawn-raided' on suspicion of child-porn and having their computers seized made me quit. The UK Tor Network has fewer than a dozen Tor Relays for similar reasons. Germany and other European countries have dozens.

Some of the slashdotters have expressed my concerns with much more eloquence. It's hard to condense and express my profound disagreement with heightened regulation.

Here is an exclusive look at BIG internet business.

On a recent trip I was given access to a construction site for a new eBay data center. This facility is obviously under construction, but it gives you an idea of just how much money the big boys are making through internet commerce.

This facility is one of many owned and operated by eBay. It will cost hundreds of millions of dollars to complete. It will use so much electricity alone that they are building a massive power substation just for this facility. The super computers inside require a huge cooling system, and there are several levels under ground as well.

I was not allowed to take any pictures inside, so these are just shots from the outside.



That is just some of many thousands of empty spools of wires used so far.



Part of the massive cooling system for the super-computers.







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Some shots of the massive electric power substation being built exclusively for this facility....





High voltage power lines are being routed in to this substation to provide the needed electricity, which will likely be more than the electricity the entire town uses.

Just one example of how the internet is huge business, no wonder governments want more controls over it.

[edit on 12-2-2010 by Walkswithfish]