Are suicide bombings part of a Black Op?

Chaos via war and social unrest are powerful tools of conquest. The uSA is perhaps the best example the world has of destruction by polls and other propaganda tools, chaos and infiltration. Certainly suicide bombers are brainwashed individuals and likely their handlers have been specially trained for these operations. Who's training the trainers?

reply to post by SphinxMontreal


Well thats a very good explanation you got there about suicide bombings that started by a powerful nation that invades a country with hardly any means to defend itself. Let me ask you this...is suicide bombings a powerful weapon that is equivalent to an F-16 with a 2000lb bomb? These guys don't have tanks or fighter bombers. Why do these terrorists and guerilla fighters resort to this method? BECAUSE THATS THE ONLY WEAPON THEY CAN USE!!! And they also use suicide attacks cause its a weapon of terror. Hence why there is suicide bombings after the invasion.

[edit on 8-2-2010 by deltaboy]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Beefcake
You need to do your research, Operation Gladio was exactly what your saying they never do.

Operation Gladio

Gladio has been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flag" operations: a 2000 Italian Parliamentary Commission report from the Olive Tree left-wing coalition concluded that the strategy of tension used by Gladio had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI (Italian Communist Party), and to a certain degree also the PSI (Italian Socialist Party), from reaching executive power in the country".

Of course Wikipedia says it is alleged but it was declassified so I'm not sure what that is about except that Wiki even says that gulf of tonkin not happening is alleged so we can take that wit ha grain of salt.

Communists ALWAYS makes such claims....of course Communists never start wars... I guess that's why the Vietnam war never occurred, or any number of wars with the backing, and training from Communist nations, and groups....

It is obvious you need to do more research in history... Communism has murdered more people than all world wars, and other "non-Communist" conflicts the world over....

BTW, I am not saying the U.S. and some others have not tried to stop Communists from spreading. Socialists/Communists have also been trying to "CHANGE" the U.S. and other countries into Socialist dictatorships....

I don't care about your communist rant. I was pointing out that the CIA has sponsored terrorist activities in the past it is unimportant whether other countries have also and equally as unimportant if you agree with why it was done.

For the record I am not a communist and I am a strict constitutionalists direct your ire elsewhere. You are arguing old world concepts and conflicts that were complete frauds. All political factions whether they are socialist, communist or w/e are all designed by elite to control us and pigeon hold us.

Both sides of every conflict are controlled by the same groups the elite fund both sides they always have and always will. War is a racket and the "fight communism" line was just another fraud to scare the public and when that went away "war on terror" starts. we must always have an enemy and if one doesn't show up fast enough and the military industrial complex needs a new conflict then the powers that be make an enemy.

This is the world we are in, YOU need to do more research.

I believe the following excerpts from an article on false terrorism clear up this issue rather convincingly:

“Recent revelations concerning the U.S. importing Taliban members into Iraq to foster false flag terrorism is merely the tip of the iceberg when compared to the U.S. intelligence complex’s multi-decade history in sponsoring Sunni Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorist groups around the world.

Wayne Madsen recently revealed how Taliban fighters were being imported from Afghanistan into Iraq to attack civilians and U.S. soldiers, as well as how Muqtada al-Sadr’s al-Mahdi Army was being allowed to import materials to make IEDs.
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All the more revealing therefore were the comments of Qari Zainuddin, a former Taliban leader who defected to the Pakistani government, alleging that the Taliban were senselessly attacking civilian targets and that they were working with U.S. and Israeli intelligence. A few days after he dropped this bombshell, Zainuddin was shot dead.
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Under the 2007 program aimed at destabilizing Iran and fomenting regime change, the U.S. government is arming and bankrolling Jundullah to carry out terrorist attacks in Iran, such as the May bombing of a mosque in Sistan-Baluchestan which killed 25 people.
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And if there aren’t enough terrorists in supply, why not just dress up and pretend to be them? That’s what two British SAS members did when they were caught dressed in Arab garb with fake beards, driving a car full of explosives while shooting at Iraqi police officers in Basra in September 2005.

After the SAS men were caught in the act and taken to jail, U.S. and British forces launched a rescue operation, blowing up half the prison, killing Iraqi police officers and allowing 150 inmates to escape.”

from infowars.com

the full article can be found halfway down the page at:
noworldsystem.com...

from 1 billion muslims all u have to do is find one to blow himself up and make news around the world. not hard. they attack their enemy whoever it may be, be it a political rival, a foreign invader or a group they think is a traitor. it's called war and suicide bombers are one of their weapons.

Originally posted by FermiFlux

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by FermiFlux

 

OMG.

Islam is the enemy of my civilization. By their own words and deeds, I, you, and every non-muslim is to be converted or killed and Islam to be dominant over all. How hard is that for non-muslims to understand. You all labor under the notion that Islam is a valid religious system that worships the God of the Bible. You are all wrong and it is getting people killed by the billions.

I do not make up jihad, or wage jihad, or promote jihad. I know what jihad is and just how important jihad is to the spread of Islam.

To diminish in any way the crucial importance of jihad to all muslims is, again, just what the muslims want you to do.

You see, in case you haven't noticed, and don't tell anyone lest they call you crazy, but we are in the middle of a Jihad War. Shhh.

No. Islam is not the enemy of your civilization. By their own words and deeds, I, you, and every other non-muslim is to be accepted as a creation of God (Allah) and to respected as much in the hope that this person can one day become a brother/sister of the believers, IN PEACEFUL TERMS.

I have grown up in an Islamic household, and though I no longer see myself as religious (I now see all religions as unnecessary in this day and age but fully respect those who practise in peace), I KNOW EXACTLY what Islam is all about, and what Jihad is. YOU couldn't be more wrong, and if you want to challenge me on that i have read the Quran 3 times and every message relayed by the Prophet Mohammed and I would gladly attempt to straighten your warped views.

Deny ignorance.

Any RETARDED ALIEN could tell you that all RELIGIONS ARE TERRORIST POLITICAL CULTS in which the masses of sheeple are manipulated to the benefit of a small elite group.
All belief is a form of limitation- John Lilly,Md.
Terrorism-If you dont believe what we tell you you will be damned to Hell.
First they brainwash and terrorize you, then they go after the non believers. Its been that way since the beginning of time.

The disgusting truth is that 90 percent of the people here would rather die than think for themselves.

The Iranians Theocrats are currently executing political dissenters.



[edit on 8-2-2010 by RRokkyy]

Oh Yeah absolutely the CIA sponsors terrorist activities when it suits thier needs but they don't create suicide bombers. That's what I was saying. As for whatever else the CIA does, I mean c'mon it's the CIA I don't want to know about all that crap.

Suicide and other mass terror bombings are very effective at what they do. They change peoples minds. If the terrorists in Iraq blow up a Shi'ite mosque and the Shi'ah respond by attacking Sunni mosques and people then it's less work for the terrorist organization to do. It's terribly simple. And all the while the US and Iraqi Government forces get blamed for not providing effective security which further undermines the people's hope for an expectation of safety and security. Just like any people the majority of the Muslims wish to leave in peace with their neighbors.

One of the things that fundamentally changed the status quo was the uprising of tribal leadership in Iraq for the establishment of safety and security against transnational terrorist organizations. US and Iraq governments luck out regardless of the surge or whatever.

Originally posted by daslobo
The bombers blow themselves up in markets because Islam is far from a unified religion. There are factions that hate each other almost as much as they hate the US.

Look up Shia and Sunni and read about the violence between them since the death of Mohammed. It's basically been a fight over succession.

On top of that, the culture in the Middle East is a tribal culture. The entire concept of schedules, borders, countries, governments were introduced to them by the West.

They believe in personal and family alliances and in general have little to no allegiance to a government.

For a better understanding, read Islam: What went wrong. I forgot the author but he is a Muslim scholar who details the downfall from a global empire to the present day. Ironically, he cites the suppression of women as one of the leading causes of the downfall. If you don't let half of your smartest people contribute to society, that's what happens. It's a good read.

Can't be true at all. I mean, you haven't got secret US agents in there pulling the strings.

And reading this thread so far and not hurling in sickness it's clear that the US must be the instigators of Suicide Bombings.

Rose coloured glasses for islam are free on page 1.


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the reason? they brian wash youngsters to belive they will die and go to heaven, so who cares who they kill. plus, unpredictablity equals greater fear

sorry, no black ops going on here, just some extremists trying to cause as much terror and pain as possible. welcome to the real world

I'm not convinced that there would have been any sectarian violence in Iraq after the US invasion unless the US instigated it. There was relative calm for weeks, then suddenly a mosque blows up. It certainly served the US interest to have that bombing, but it didn't serve the interests of Iraqis or any religious sect for the violence to commence.

And if you think the US wouldn't use violence to kill our own soldiers, let's not forget the USS Liberty, wherein President Johnson made a deal with Israel to allow them to sink a US Navy vessel and then blame it on the Egyptians, thus allowing the US to enter the war on the side of Israel.

The USS Liberty was repeatedly strafed and torpedoed by the Israeli forces, and when the USS Liberty radioed for help, Johnson gave orders for no ships to rescue the Liberty. He said that he "wanted that ship on the bottom of the ocean" [technically the Mediterranean is a sea]. But one Navy commander disobeyed that order and sent his ship in to rescue the Liberty. The crew of the Liberty had taken enormous casualties, but the entire incident was immediately covered up by the US establishment media and military.

It's how they roll. Standard operating procedure.

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Wow thats pretty damning. The question is this.
On ATS I think its clear that we can all piece together bits of a jigsaw and create a truism. But how can we as a people stop this? How can we evidence this enough? At the moment ATS is read and has influence over a small number of poeple, the general media has influence over a massive number of people....how can we get stories like this into the general public forum.???

Not only do i think you`re near with your assumption.......i think you`re spot on.
Let`s face it.
It was a false flag operation that got us into these two wars ( Why Iraq ? ) and it`s false flags that are keeping us in these wars.
I haven`t read your full post yet but i`ve a feeling where it`s going and i feel also that i`ll be agreeing with you.
Thanks for posting your thoughts.

This whole isssue is very complex which only the new world order know how they want to play out the final game. Nothing makes sense, I recently discovered that the AA plane that crashed into the pentagon was a military drone painted to look like AA 77. It sounds so far fetched and unbelievable that a governmemt wouild do such a thing to their own people, but hitler did say you can tell the most unbelivable lie, if you keep telling it people will end up believing it. Check out the video evidence, it may help clear things up for you, or on the other hand it may confuse you even more www.vitalisnews.com...

US Military/Intelligence Units are using WW2 Nazi reprisal tactics in Iraq to subdue all opponents - Sunnis and Shiites alike!
Hitler ordered that for every German killed on the Eastern Front - 100+ civilian reprisals wiould be taken! The Village of lidice was illiminated civilians also after Heydrick was killed by a Czech partisan.
Watch and note - if the US are attacked in Iraq - there will be reprisal bombings against the civilian religious section thought to be responsible!
Often WE dont hear when a US soldier is killed BUT that doesnt mean it hasnt happened!
www.missingpersons-ireland.freepress-freespeech.com...!.htm
Creeping fascism - the Lisbon Treaty and the run up to the NWO!

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Spoken like a true believer spoon fed disinformation for decades. Period.

Read: "Brotherhood of Darkness" by Stan Montieth. He also provides a lecture on this stored on Google from 1997.

Learn what the common denominator is in all this, much more depends on this than you know.

While you are browsing, look up "Lucifer Rising" an essay from Philip Jones and "Timeline of the Rothschilds" by DB Smith and Andrew Hitchcock.

Fast Guns on Hips Shoot off Toes!

Originally posted by kilas
Im a little confused about the whole Suicide Bombing thing. I understand Suicide Bombings on Hard Targets against an opponent in war (Kamakazi - Japan), but I don't see the logical link between Suicide Bombings on Soft Targets that are on your own populace.

Think about the idea from the aspect of a radical terrorist and not from the aspect of a middle class white american and you can come close to the truth.

There are many reasons for this.

1: The main reason I see is because of money. They don't have any of it. So most of them cannot afford a ticket, to come blow you up. Its much easier to do it down there

2: Location location location. When starting your own terrorist business, location is the key. If you can insight fear in the many factions that rule those areas, then you can cause a political movement which may gain you more money (SEE #1)

Do I believe that the CIA could be so diabolical to create underground movements in order to spur movements, to achieve their own agenda??

Yes of course this goes on. But for the most part, the CIA is as dumb as us all and has no real foresight in to the future of what all these actions will bring.

9/11 is a perfect example of how they could see it as a big possibility, but had no idea, where, when or how. The failed to assassinate Castro, how many times?

There is also no real reason to spur this movement on anyways. It has enough momentum on its own. If you look at CIA involvement at the beginning, I believe its incompetence, not ingenious design, that leads to suicide bombers and 9/11.

Its just trying to make your own money, control all the assets you can, control the populations and economies, control your own greed and things just # up along the way.