What is "Atlantean Democracy"?

Originally posted by randyvs
I was going to ask, do you mean the monarchy, or the democracy?

The original Atlantis was a monarchy, however I believe the system I have invented is based adequately on what would most likely have been the ideal alternative to their own system. I believe that, prior to the end of the last ice-age, global-scale government fell because it was too centralised.

Originally posted by randyvs
What's to debate? I think it sounds like great alternative to all that one this, one that, we are B.S. We are not one. I am that I am and we are are always many never just one.

Yes, well then you may be disappointed to learn the Constitution of the Executives uses an adapted version of the "law of one," that being that the original law is there is no law. Thus, to know that law is to understand all the others.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Wasn't Atlantis, according to the myth's originator Plato, a corrupt and tyrannical military dictatorship diametrically opposed to the only variety of democracy in the world (that being the Athenian Republic)?

According to Aleister Crowley that account holds true also. His description in Liber 51: the Lost Continent (read online here: www.sacred-texts.com... ), he describes essentially the same pre-deluvial world as would later be discovered to have been described by the Sumerians many millennia before. All sources agree on the pantheist nature of the monarchical oligarchy.

Originally posted by randyvs
That's some deep shizzle right there.

I rarely get the oppurtunity to do this directly and in public when I receive a compliment: THANK YOU. I'm glad you enjoyed looking over it! That means alot to me. Thanks.

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
In order to propose a form of global government and request discussion of global governance alternatives to the "NWO" type, is it necessary to come to the conclusion that a global government is what is needed.

To specify again, the POD see global-scale government as "inevitable" but not "necessary."

Originally posted by AwakeAndAware
to set up a base, or whatever reason they would want to make a deal with the island. You can't deal with 185 seperate governments, it's just not feasible. Each tribe would want the base in the area that they control, or want to be the tribe that trades or sells the resources. The rest would certainly war on the lucky tribe picked.

Don't forget to factor in radical reactionaries who would want no base at all, or the fact that it is usually whichever tribe that wins the base-contract that then starts the wars with its otherwise peaceful neighbors.

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
The further "up the chain" the people who exercise this control/power over other people, the less the people have control/power over the restrictions placed on them.

This is a very good point, from my point of view. I'd prefer to be at the "bottom" of the food-chain and free than at the "top" and a slave. I am reminded of the Nirvana song "Serve the Servants" as well as the the Jim Morrison poem-line, "The servants have the power: dog men and their mean women."

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
american democracy is a ponzi scheme like everything else in this country, a scam, a farce, we live in a two-party bankocracy...

Agreed, whole-heartedly. The only "capitalistish" competition there is nowadays is between corporations trying to figure out the best way to screw their customers. This applies between the neo-cons and the neo-libs too. The CFR is employing dialectics to confuse and disempower "we, the people." But then, what can we, the people do about this? This was the kind of thinking that got me started on designing Atlantean Democracy. I hope you all enjoy it.

PEACE.
- Jon

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Atlantean sure seems to be very interesting, i google around and found this site about Atlantean conspiracies

www.atlanteanconspiracy.com...

Originally posted by openmindresearch
Atlantean conspiracies

LOL, yes, I know the guy who runs that site, Eric Dubay; he's on my msn messenger. I have never shown him my works on Atlantean Democracy though, so I am not sure what he would think of them as ideas for an ideal form of government. I'm not sure that he thinks there ever could be such a thing as an "ideal governmnet;" it might seem like an oxymoron to him. I've spoken to him once or twice on MSN, but I doubt he'd remember me. He runs a podcast show off his site too, which is a very good program I've heard. I can definitely vouch for the sincerity of Eric's info and motives. He's a good guy. He also has his work (the "Atlantean Conspiracy" in pieces) on scribd as a free download ebook. He is an ardent researcher with a wide knowledge base and a strong grasp of all sides. He presents his information simply and succinctly, and I'd dare to say he's a more easy to read author than me. Yeah, I would definitely recommend his site to everyone on ATS. It's a great site, Eric Dubay is a good guy, and he brings up-to-date facts in good faith. Definitely a good find.

PEACE.
- Jon

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Didn't had time to read his works on atlantean yet but, i found some very interesting blogs, about abovetopsecret.com and it just blown me away dude, what do you think about it buddy.

[edit on 8-2-2010 by openmindresearch]

Originally posted by openmindresearch
what do you think about it buddy.

No clue, haven't read that much by Eric to really be able to say anything more about him.

I have said before that the POD is "an evolved group of psychics who use the ECS to attain international ESP and whose mission is the restoration of Atlantean Democracy."

In the good faith of forwarding more about my theories on ESP, I just uploaded a tutorial video about it on youtube:



I would love to discuss my theories of ESP, particularly as to how they relate to my ideas for an ideal government. Thanks for your interest. PEACE. - Jon

Originally posted by Kajajuam
not in the present climate.

Originally posted by benpadiah
I agree. Atlantean Democracy as a system of government is too idealised to ever be practised. I agree fully. I do not recommend anybody take my fantstical flights of creativity wrongly and attempt to turn them to something harmful. That's not been my intent in creating them. I do not see new knowledge as a weapon; I am not that superstitious. I see the plans of the POD as a tool that can be used one way or another, at best, and at worse merely a colourful collection of childish imagination

- source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think it's worth clarifying the pre-requisites before "Atlantean Democracy" as I have envisioned it could come into being, to make as transparent as possible just how lofty an ideal this form of government is:

1) world wide peace.
2) planetary telepathy for all sentient entities.
3) no interference by off-world aliens.
4) a completely de-weaponised population.
5) a means of packaging and distributing limitless free energy.

If only one or two of these pre-requisites are met, it would not be enough to establish a working version of government of the sort I am proposing. For example, you cannot say, "the number of senators is 23," but then later add to that, "the necessary number for a quorum is 23, but any number greater than 22 will work equally well," because that would not be accurate to the intent of the Atlantean Constitutions in basing its official positions on odd #'s.

As I said in the initial post on this thread:

Originally posted by benpadiah
Atlantean Democracy is defined as an approachable and ammendable system of government based on ideal #-theory.

It is approachable insofar as only those who know of it are considered its citizens, but those who are unaware of it, and operate without knowledge of its ideals, are not less intelligent nor less psychic, they simply choose to become slaves to money instead of freeing their minds to studying ideals. Thus, even if John D. Rockefeller himself were declared the NWO global-dictator today, he would still not be a member of the truly Atlantean society, as it exists even now, because he simply has no knowledge of its existence. In other words, if the Catholic Pope, the Dalai Lama, the President of the US and the diplomats of the UN decided one day to refrom their plans for a global government into those of the POD's ideals of "Atlantean Democracy" it probably would not work. This is why I caution the reader from thinking it would be adviseable, or even possible, to achieve these goals via violence. It is simply too improbable on this planet at this point in history for this system of government to put into mass scale practise. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Just one that has little immediate relevancy.

Originally posted by Kajajuam
your organisation, POD, intends to strip power from the banks, national governments worldwide and church, all simultaneously

- source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is partially true. The POD themselves do not intend to play any role in "stripping" their power from banks, national gov'ts, and churches, however we do predict how it would need to occur if the goal in others' doing so would be to benefit building Atlantean Democracy. In other words, alike global gov't, we in the POD believe the "stripping" of "power" from all existing modes of state and religion is inevitable, not desireable, but that it will occur regardless of our not wanting it to. Thus, we in the POD desire to suggest to those in charge of this means an alternative ends for their same plans, that would allow them to save, rather than destory, all humanity and our planet. Our plan allows them to use their own means to create conditions favourable to implimenting our ends, eg. "Atlantean Democracy." The POD do not wish to see the NWO destory the existing social structures, however we believe this to be inevitable. Thus the POD propose "Atlantean Democracy" as the goal for restoration of government on a global scale, and we oppose the one-world-dictator of the NWO.

PEACE.
- Jon

to any moderator who reads this::

would it be possible to transfer this thread from the current location in "secret societies" under "conspiracies" to "political idealogies" under "above politics"?

I would have posted it there initially, but I am a n00b to the forums.

Thanks, peace, Jon.

okay well, now that this thread is in a more appropriate forum (thanks mods!) and now that this topic is not being subverted by personal attacks on me by trolls (thanks admins!), let's try again to discuss this topic:

"What Is Atlantean Democracy?"

The Pythagorean Order of Death (POD) proposes the following format for society under the title of "Atlantean Democracy":

Education System

1=0 degree: from birth until 9 months of age, citizens are free. At 9 months after birth, they are given the right to vote, reserved until they choose to use it. From 9 months old, when the right to vote is issued, until the child chooses to first use their right to vote, the child participates in a voluntary educational system that teaches the "Law of One." If the right to vote is never used, the person remains a citizen, with the right to use the economic system (which I will discuss in a moment), however they never progress beyond this zero degree in the POD's "Atlantean" social system.

2=A,B&C degrees: the equivalent of the Blue Masonic Lodge initiation rituals are given in the POD10.pdf, and are four in total, an additional one being given before initiation begins. These ceremonies are meant to be conducted in 4 differently styled "lodges," one for each of the four elemental forces. Thus the first initiation ritual is performed in the lodge of Earth, the second in the lodge of Water, the third in Air, the fourth Fire. Again, these degrees are optional, initiation is free of charge, and the right to vote in elections bestowed by undertaking these degrees to become an "Atlantean" citizen is only psychic in nature. The rituals of these degrees are styled after historical Egyptian personages (Imhotep, PtaHotep) and mixed with Lovecraftian fictions (NyarlaHotep) to teach a moral lesson (good historical literalism vs. evil fiction).

Political Parites

3-7 degrees: there are 5 political parties in "Atlantean Democracy." They are, currently, in chronological order:

1) Essene Zealot: the York rite, considered more "Christian" in symbolism and shorter of the twin "ladders" of Masonry to ascend into secular knight-hood. The Christian symbols of the past aeon, the fish of Pisces, etc. are endangered now as the intervening aeon is ending, and the "new world order" beginning. Because these 5 political parties measure chronologically across a single aeon, the symbols at the beginning are invariably replaced by other symbols in the end, and the whole system will shift down one gear.

2) Knight Zion: The Scottish rite is considered more secular in symbolism and the longer method of achieving the benefits of progression beyond the Blue Lodge into the elections and mysteries of FreeMasonry. The Scottish Rite includes a "philosophical" set of rituals as well as the "chivalric" set of York. The origin of these rites is with the Rosicrucians following John Dee in the 16th century. The "philosophical" degrees of Scottish rite Masonry are Enochian, and thus "Atlantean," since Enoch reigned before the deluge.

3) Regal Rosicrucians: The "philosophical" degrees of Scottish Rite Masonry relate a historical myth about the Temple Builders under Solomon discovering the tomb of Enoch. This is then reflected in the later "chivalric" lessons of the Scottish rite in the moral of the Knights Templar discovering Solomon's treasury beneath the Temple Mount. The "Rosicrucian" political party's role in "Atlantean" society is as a travelling ambassador from one lodge to another.

4) Perfected Illuminati: the administrative degrees of Scottish rite, and the uppermost offices of the York knights, are both basically just office jobs of clerical book-keeping. The IO, designed by Weishaupt, was meant to infiltrate the administration of Masonry in order to divert its energies to Weishaupt's cause. However, nowadays, we exist between the IO of yesterday and the NWO of tomorrow. Therefore, even the agenda of the highest ranking Masons is secondary to the orders coming down to them from the biggest cult in power now. This fulfills the Rosicrucian dictum: "the Pope is the anti-christ" by placing that figure-head position at the bottom of the figurative "pyramid."

5) Bohemian Camp: The fastest growing new religion is Thelema, as dictated by Aleister Crowley. Its "new age" pagan idolatry has introduced astrologers into the white house, and the highest ranking members of the IO's US cults (Skull and Bones, the CIA, etc.) have replaced the rightful leaders of the land with their own nefarious dogs of war by assassinations and blackmail. The Bilderbergers under Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands worship Lilith at Bohemian Grove as a means of casting off the chains of Christianity, and ushering in a new aeon they, themselves, cannot even begin to understand.

Now, you may be looking at these 5 "political parties" in "Atlantean Democracy" and thinking, these groups exist now, and thus "Atlantean Democracy" as it can be fully perfected is already being practised now, but this would be a wrong assessment. The difference between an ideal "Atlantean Democracy" as invisioned by the POD and what exists now is the harnessing of mental "Zero-Point Energy" (ZPE), ie. the use of global ESP as a source of limitless free energy.

Lemurian Religion

8 - 10 degrees: the "church" of the ideal "Atlantean" society fills the same role as currently filled by banks. Mental energy can be stored individually, and harnessed collectively, through a system of data-storage nodes in a non-centralised network. The people working this system would be priest-bankers because they would allot the amount of mental-energy one would be able to deposit or withdraw from the whole social system. The POD envisions a three tiered strata system for these "quasi-religious" degrees, from "local priest" to the "notional Pope," who is one of the 7 "chief executives" in "Atlantean Democracy."

Atlantean Democracy

11 - 13 degrees: the "state" aspect of the "Atlantean" society envisioned by the POD also has three pillars, however these are considered all equal in authority, and the members of the smaller groups belong also to the larger groups. These are the 7 "chief executives" (including the "Pope" ), the 13 members of a Grand Jury, and the 23 members of the "Atlantean Senate."

These are the basic levels of society in "Atlantean Democracy" as envisioned by the POD. I am here to answer questions. PEACE. - Jon

since there have been no further questions or comments, with the permission of the forum, allow me to continue:

Originally posted by Project2501
The real inventors of the Logic cube is Pythagorean mathematics.

- source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I am here to confirm this point of view. Pythagoras' "obsession" with the "golden mean" and the ratios of the Pentagram are not accidentally the cornerstone of the modern POD. The "Logic Cube" used by the POD Senators to help in making their choices by answering their questions is based on my own "Formal System of Metaphysics" research into the six fundamental questions of logical reasoning. These six are the Pentagram's 5 exterior points and the one interior Pentagon inside of and between these. Here is a video I made explaining the relation between the "Pythagorean" Pentagram (the POD star) and the six fundamental questions of the "Formal System." View "more info" on yotube page of vid for link to the "Formal System" book.


Logic Cube / Dice ®

The "Logic Dice" are only part of the POD's system for understanding ideal government. Most of the Utopiae of the past have alloted to their "New Jerusalems" the pyramid-format, with the 4 elemental watchtowers at or between the 4 cardinal compass points, and placing "Christ" atop the pyramid model as the "fifth element," spirit, the "eye of providence," etc. In the POD's version, we also use the Base-5 method, but flatten it. We have created a system for Democracy based on odd-prime numbers that incorporates in its Senate's forum design 4 Elemental Lodges, with a Fifth open to the Public. To better explain this system, I created a board-game version of "Atlantean Democracy." Here is a video explaining the rules of that game:


Atlantean Democracy ®

The design of the Senate building has a Pentagonal floor, with ten walls connecting floor to ceiling, in the shape of a Dodecahedron. The Dodecahedron, one of the 5 "Platonic" solids - or regular solid polyhedra in 3-space, is the shape of the Senate building, and likewise the other 4 self-similar solids are other buildings along the spiralling Atlantean "Way of the Dead." Here is a link to a youtube playlist of several videos depicting the Atlantean Senate building from inside and out:

www.youtube.com...

Thanks for your continued interest in my ideas for ideal government in the form of Atlantean Democracy, based on ideal number theory. PEACE. - Jon