French government queries US gov about LSD attack

I saw the headline of this and I had to read it as I think many are aware of the CIA's habitual use of '___' in the past. It sounds like they decided to spread the love all over the world. It also makes one wonder how many other events, illnesses, incidents that were / are attributed to something else, actually performed or cause by the CIA. I think you fellow ATSer's will find this very interesting indeed. I performed a search on ATS and do not think it's been posted already.

Washington, D.C. According to informed sources, the State Department¹s Bureau of Intelligence and Research has received a confidential inquiry from the office of Erard Corbin de Mangoux, head of the French intelligence agency, Directorate General for External Security (DGSE), concerning a recent account of American government complicity in a mysterious 1951 incident of mass insanity in France. The DGSE is the French counterpart of the CIA.

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That wouldn't suprise me one bit, considering the CIA's love affair with '___' in the 60's. Some think their '___' testing on college campuses caused the massive increase in drug use in the 60's

Conceived by Richard Helms of the Clandestine Services Department (yes, the CIA actually gives its departments silly names like that), it went beyond the construction of mere truth serums and ventured into disinformation, induction of temporary insanity, and other chemically-aided states. The director of MK-ULTRA, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, figured '___''s potential as an interrogative agent paled in comparison to its capacity to publicly humiliate. Lee and Shlain note the CIA imagined a tripping public figure might be amusing, producing a memo that says giving acid "to high officials would be a relatively simple matter and could have a significant effect at key meetings, speeches, etc." But Gottlieb knew that giving '___' to people in the lab was a lot different than just passing it out, and felt the department did not have an adequate grasp on its effects. So the entire operation tripped to learn what it was like, and, according to Lee and Shlain,

agreed among themselves to slip '___' into each other's drinks. The target never knew when his turn would come, but as soon as the drug was ingested a ... colleague would tell him so he could make the necessary preparations (which usually meant taking the rest of the day off). Initially the leaders of MK-ULTRA restricted the surprise acid tests to [their own] members, but when this phase had run its course they started dosing other Agency personnel who had never tripped before. Nearly everyone was fair game, and surprise acid trips became something of an occupational hazard among CIA operatives.... The Office of Security felt that [MK-ULTRA] should have exercised better judgment in dealing with such a powerful and dangerous chemical. The straw that broke the camel's back came when a Security informant got wind of a plan by a few [MK-ULTRA] jokers to put '___' in the punch served at the annual CIA Christmas office party ... a Security memo writer... concluded indignantly and unequivocally that he did 'not recommend testing in the Christmas punch bowls usually present at the Christmas office parties.'

History House: '___' and the CIA

Very interesting, but the French are just posturing, trying to act like innocent victims in front of their citizens. You think they wouln't have done a full investigation back in '51 if they really didn't know? They no doubt would have been cued in by the CIA at that time and would have had to give their permish.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but one of the CIA guys I heard once keep putting '___' (and other drugs) into his subjects drinks. Thats where the name "Mickey" came from.

I can highly recommend the book that prompted the french to start asking these questions. In my opinion it is one of the best books about the whole subject of CIA/gov chemical research. Trine Day really is a superb publisher.

The CIA and '___' - a love affair that goes back to even before the CIA existed, little Allen all alone in Switzerland making a sneaky field trip to see Albert Hoffmann just to learn about mind-altering drugs and the newly discovered '___'...
Fast forward to the late 50's where '___' becomes an integral part of preliminary testing for MK-Ultra-Subprograms like the one Henry Murray the pervert ran in Harvard where he #ed up Ted Kaczynski so bad that he turned all UNABOMBER on everyone...

There are thousands of tidbits like these throughout the whole story... Great stuff from the "only in America" folder... (allthough the Russians and others did pretty much the same)

Also Acid Dreams by Martin A. Lee is a fantastic read for anyone interested in the subject.

Originally posted by mikelee
Correct me if I'm wrong but one of the CIA guys I heard once keep putting '___' (and other drugs) into his subjects drinks. Thats where the name "Mickey" came from.

you are wrong!
en.wikipedia.org...
"In December 1903, several Chicago newspapers document that a Michael "Mickey" Finn managed the Lone Star Saloon and was accused of using knockout drops to incapacitate and rob some of his customers[3][4][5][6]. Moreover, the first known written example (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) of the use of the term Mickey Finn is in 1915, twelve years after his trial, lending credence to this theory of the origination of the phrase."

reply to post by mikelee
Good thread mikelee S&F for you! This is troubling indeed the CIA sprayed '___' on innocent people if this is confirmed I expect the government to either ignore or deny it.

Am I reading this correctly they are now questioning the U.S. concerning an allegation occuring over five decades ago?

And because the U.S. is being questioned, the assumptions are being made "guilty as charged"???? France is questioning the U.S., so obviously they are guilty?

And what if agents played a passive role in it? What's to be done about it all these decades later? Certainly, I don't condone this, and if it happened it's regrettable.

But what do they want from us now? An apology? Who will apologize? If those folks were adults in 51 chances are they aren't around anymore. How in the world could anyone do a reliable investigation at this late date?
It frankly seems foolish to me that they've even raised this issue at this time.

This strikes me as odd. Maybe I'm missing something.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting


But what do they want from us now? An apology? Who will apologize? If those folks were adults in 51 chances are they aren't around anymore. How in the world could anyone do a reliable investigation at this late date?
It frankly seems foolish to me that they've even raised this issue at this time.

This strikes me as odd. Maybe I'm missing something.

yes, you are. The link is based on reasearch done for a book that came out 2009. Allthough there always were rumours that said incident was an open air chemical test very much like the ones performed in the US, the French Gov. always denied it, so there was never an investigation.

But now, appr. 50 years later, allot of the material from the 50's and cont. is getting declassified and available to the public. Based on these documents, Albarelli wrote the book "a terrible mistake" that for the first time corroborates and sources the claim of the event being a test.
Surprisingly, the French had nothing to disclose, not even unofficialy, since it seems to have been a CIA OP. So naturally now that the cat is out of the bag from a journalist the french are going to ask the US gov to confirm or deny this. Pretty normal procedure. Don't worry about reperations and stuff, that won't happen, even if it is technically possible.

Originally posted by mikelee
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but one of the CIA guys I heard once keep putting '___' (and other drugs) into his subjects drinks. Thats where the name "Mickey" came from.

The term "mickey" was coined long before the CIA was created. Here's a link to wikipedia that gives a history of the use of "mickey" in reference to a drugged drink.

en.wikipedia.org...(drugs)

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


Okay, I see the point. Thanks for the clarification, it helped.

This certainly was a nasty stunt to pull, and the air does need clearing.

The more you read about the CIA the darker that agency gets. It exudes an evil about it.

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Thanks Dereks. I knew you'd come in handy for something one day

reply to post by kyred


Thanks for the appropiate history on the "mickey".

If only the same could be done today, but on a much larger scale, worldwide -- the world would surely be a better place.

reply to post by Navieko


Some would be happier then again some may just get enough to push them over the edge they are already on.

Originally posted by mikelee
Some would be happier then again some may just get enough to push them over the edge they are already on.

As Morpheus said, "The Oracle only tells you what you need to know".

That's the magic of it all -- some have just gone so deep down the ego hole, they can't handle the truth. But nonetheless, the truth is something they must face at some point -- in this life or the next.

The trick is to anticipate and acknowledge our own evils -- than there is no real need for the "oracle" to show them to us.