N.L. Premier Williams set to have heart surgery in U.S.

Originally posted by centurion1211
how about you try and get your head around this:

If canadian health care can't handle the tough cases so people with those have to come to the U.S. and dems here are successful in making the U.S. system a clone of canada's, just where will anyone be able to go if they need serious health care?

Answer, nowhere. They'll be sent home to die.

Ever hear of a private option like the EU """""""socialist""""""" countries have?

Can you get your head around that?

I don't know enough about the Canadian system to really comment too much here tbh but I do know know that if a multi millionaire in any country wants a triple bypass.. they will go to the most expensive specialists.. hence heading to the US where it costs 100k to fix a broken leg.

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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them think ...

If you could, many more would understand that a public option would squeeze out a "private option" very quickly.

And even if a private option somehow remained, it would only be available to the very rich - until the high taxes required to pay for the public option made them not so rich any more.

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You do know my young friend how stupid that looked to about half of the board? Half of the Americans and the rest of the world. You applauded:

"I don't know enough about the Canadian system to really comment too much here tbh but I do know know that if a multi millionaire in any country wants a triple bypass.. they will go to the most expensive specialists.. hence heading to the US where it costs 100k to fix a broken leg."

100,000 to fix a broken leg? The Kernel doubts the accuracy of the numbers but the thought alone that anyone would say that's OK is in need of a shrink. 1,200,000 a year for that one.

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Jaysus.. I think Im arguing with you across 3 or 4 threads. Good times lol



Not necessarily.. the system in place in a number of EU states - including Ireland - is as such.

If you earn under 400 euro's per week, you are entitled to free healthcare (More if you have kids etc).
If you earn over 400 euro's per week, usage of public healthcare costs you a flat fee of one hundred Euro's per hospital visit (if you break a leg, the hundred covers almost all costs for xray, cast, specialist etc but follow ups are extra).

Public healthcare has a pretty long waiting time for operations but is free for everything, including prescription.

If you get private health insurance which starts at very low prices, you will skip the waiting times for operations in the same hospitals under the private section and will be covered by your insurer for whatever policy you took out.

Getting better healthcare is an incentive to get insurance.. therefore adding a capitalist element to the whole system. There are private clinics that cater only for the privately insured.

And so on..

I have private insurance.. use the same hospitals as Public users but get different treatment, doctors etc.

Originally posted by Kernel Korn

100,000 to fix a broken leg? The Kernel doubts the accuracy of the numbers but the thought alone that anyone would say that's OK is in need of a shrink. 1,200,000 a year for that one.

My Dad's mate was golfing in the US a couple of years ago, broke his leg, needed several pins and his insurer got a bill for over $100,000 which ended up being disputed in court. The US hospital won.

So im actually telling you straight from the horses mouth..

So do I still need a shrink? Even though I am not the one referring to myself in the third person lol. The Kernal! lmao

And bla bla bla.. you will say that you doubt my story because I have rebuked your attempt to belittle me etc etc..

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Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by Kernel Korn

100,000 to fix a broken leg? The Kernel doubts the accuracy of the numbers but the thought alone that anyone would say that's OK is in need of a shrink. 1,200,000 a year for that one.

My Dad's mate was golfing in the US a couple of years ago, broke his leg, needed several pins and his insurer got a bill for over $100,000 which ended up being disputed in court. The US hospital won.

So im actually telling you straight from the horses mouth..

So do I still need a shrink? Even though I am not the one referring to myself in the third person lol. The Kernal! lmao

And bla bla bla.. you will say that you doubt my story because I have rebuked your attempt to belittle me etc etc..

[edit on 2/2/10 by Dermo]

That which you speak of is not a simple broken leg. Requiring several pins to be inserted into the bone to keep the leg together is a full blown operating procedure.As well as requiring rehabilitation afterward. So your claim that it was a simple broken leg is not exactly an honest statement.
Ok, your dad's friend(mate) broke his leg while playing golf??? OK anyone can claim things such as this here simply by typing it. It happens constantly on this site. Not saying you are not be truthful just saying it happens.

The only one doing any belittling it appears, is you! Your first post on this topic was " Can you wrap your little heads around that!" I presume from this sentence you where implying we are less intelligent than someone such as yourself then?

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[edit on 2/3/2010 by CaptGizmo]

Originally posted by centurion1211
Answer, nowhere. They'll be sent home to die.

Game set match IMHO.

The Canadian system is based on rationing. If you need an MRI you may wait months for it. If you need a CABG and they have done thier allotment you get managed medically untill a slot opens up.

One of your best Pediatric Cardiac Surgeons left your best childrens hospital in toronto to come hear years ago Why you ask? Because they limited his ability to fix kids.

Thats rationing folks.

So much for the poor and disadvantaged. Lets give them coverage in name only. If you put crap in a fancy bowl its still crap.

Originally posted by FredT

Thats rationing folks.

So much for the poor and disadvantaged. Lets give them coverage in name only. If you put crap in a fancy bowl its still crap.

Just for my own clarification .

When you say Rationing , do you mean :

1. You have been given X amount of a certain care , go home.
or

2. There is only so much X care to spread around.

BTW , not only Canadian doctors have left Canada.

Canadian's are abound on Wall St.
Canadian's are a major part of the Entertainment Industry.

Canada is a free country, If someone want's to leave for more money,
more opportunity, then they can do so.

The poor and disadvantaged , do get excellent medical because it is their
privledge as a Canadian.

How's that working for the US poor and disadvantaged.

Originally posted by FredT
So much for the poor and disadvantaged. Lets give them coverage in name only. If you put crap in a fancy bowl its still crap.

Let the Rabid Right crow as much as it wants...you're not going to find a lot of us that wouldn't laugh in your faces at the suggestion of swapping systems. Like I keep saying...cancer cured for $32 out of pocket, and we live at least as well as you do.

Is the system perfect? No. Can a rich guy queue jump? Yes. Did I have to remortgage my house for my health costs? Nope.

Originally posted by CaptGizmo

That which you speak of is not a simple broken leg. Requiring several pins to be inserted into the bone to keep the leg together is a full blown operating procedure.As well as requiring rehabilitation afterward. So your claim that it was a simple broken leg is not exactly an honest statement.
Ok, your dad's friend(mate) broke his leg while playing golf??? OK anyone can claim things such as this here simply by typing it. It happens constantly on this site. Not saying you are not be truthful just saying it happens.

Ill break it down for you even more simply..

1. He was in the US on a golf trip when he broke his leg.. I never said it was a golf injury.

2. Its still a broken leg.. as I said. No need for the biology lesson plz Doctor - I happen to have experienced it. The same injury would have been similar to 100th of the cost or even free in most EU states. As I was pointing out. And btw.. most of his physiotherapy and check ups were done in Ireland. That's almost as far as my knowledge of the case goes so case closed.

3. Re: Belittling.. I don't get your point? Do you not have smaller heads in North America?

4. So you find it implausible that someone might break a leg in your country? Simply because I typed it as a anonymous foreigner?

I must be making it up then.. Because something like that could never ever happen.

Someone broke their leg? And their insurance company was overcharged? In the USA? Never!

etc etc etc

Look I think many Americans will agree that there are some advantages to the Canadian health care system and some advantages to the US health care system. In all honesty the Canadian system was very much similar to the US system until the late 60's to 70's. That's when they decided to change their system to what it is now. The thread is simply reporting that one of Canada's own has decided to have his health treated here in the US as opposed to Canada.It begs to ask WHY?

For a comparison of the Canadian to the US health care system see here:

en.wikipedia.org...

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Exactly right.