The Rothschilds and Rockefellers at war with each other

I have posted a few threads on the Rothschilds and Rockfellers, and their bitter struggle over who is going to control the western Illuminati (USA). I feel this infighting is the big reason why we citizens of the usa have not seen far more sinister happenings thus far. I know that probably russia and china are doing their part also, but in the end, the Rothcshilds are still at the top of the situation I firmly believe. The article below speaks for it'self, and you all can draw your own conclusions.
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www.moneyteachers.org...

Who is Herman Rockefeller and Why Does it Matter?

On Friday, January 22, 2010 Herman Rockefeller mysteriously vanished and has not been seen since.

"Police say he landed in Melbourne about 9pm and was seen walking alone to the long-term car park. At 9.32pm his car, registration UUP-682, was seen on security vision leaving the pre-paid credit card exit.
The father of two never made it home.

Police say Mr Rockefeller’s bank account has not been touched and his mobile phone remained switched off after the flight.

His Citylink account had not been activated, although the tollways were his logical route home from the airport."

The fact that his bank account has not been touched would indicate that this was a professional job, not a group of amateur thugs looking for some easy money. The fact that his car did not activate the electronic tolls indicates that it did not happen on his logical route home, and the fact that his occupied car was last seen at the airport, would seem to indicate that he was abducted at the airport itself.


The real question is, who is Herman Rockefeller? His brother Robert claims they are not related to the Rockefeller family in the US, but, based on Herman's business activities, which align quite well with the American Rockefeller business interests, this claim rings hollow. Consider the following:

1. Mr Rockefeller is a Harvard graduate and was initially identified as a former director of Carlton and United Breweries. Now Foster's is denying any connection to the man.

2. This Rockefeller family came from Akron, Ohio, where they owned a bakery. The US Rockefellers lived in and operated from Cleveland, Ohio (which was the headquarters for Standard Oil until the company was sold to British Petroleum), a mere 45 minutes away. Purportedly, Herman's father made a decision to move to Australia in the early 1960s and "struck it rich".

3. Even more interesting is the influence this man and his family had in New Zealand:

"Just last month one of the family's investment companies, Burnie Hospital Limited, agreed to a $52 million deal to sell the North West Regional Hospital in Burnie to the Tasmanian Government.


The Rockefeller family owned the hospital, built for $26 million in 1994, and leased it to the Tasmanian Government. Over the past 16 years, the family has reaped an estimated $90 million in lease fees on the site. The 25-year deal was worth $125 million in total - so extravagant the Tasmanian Government finally sought to buy its way out of the contract."

Now that's a deal only a Rockefeller can make. Spend $26 million on a building and lease it to the government for $125 million. Yet, the denials keep coming in that there is no relationship between the two families.

I was reading about the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds not too long ago. The article dealt with how the Rockefellers (and their agents) control the Republican party and the Rothschilds (and their agents) control the Democratic party.

Yes, these two factions ARE at war with each other and have been for quite some time. These two factions are also responsible for keeping Repubs and Dems at each others throats. Promoting political divisiveness, as it were.

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Herman Rockefeller has no relationship to the Rockefeller dynasty other then having the same last name. Please explain to us the familial relationship which you have discovered.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Ya I was wondering who Herman Rockefeller was to. David or John?

I was under the impression that Rockefeller was a minion of Rothschild. I read somewhere it was discovered that Rothschild actually owned the companies which Rockefeller started. Not sure what to make of this.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
Please explain to us the familial relationship which you have discovered.
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The article explained that pretty well, or did you miss it? The family relationships are in business relations. Some think they are too coincidental for them not to be related? Who knows? Do you? Do you know if they are or are not related genetically? I don't.

reply to post by thewind


Ooh I love murder mystery stories. This is all conjecture. Seriously. It's getting tiresome to hear these same old half-baked baseless conspiracies trotted out time and time again. It's a waste of everyone's time and effort.

If you want to know why the US has been having such a rough time as of late, look no further than the complacency of most Americans, who would rather blame some shadowy cabal (be it some political party, Barack Obama, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, Reptilians, HAARP, etc. etc. etc.) for their misfortunes, than themselves.

Some of the responses elicited by the OP are at least
as interesting strange as the Rockerfeller news

Why would anyone who posts in just one of thousands of fora appear to take it personally/take affront at a thread which merely speculates re: a case which the msn has been devoting a suspicious amount of time and energy on ?

Herman Rockerfeller is described as 'murdered' by the news

Two individuals from an unsalubrious part of town have been taken in for questioning by police

A neighbour stated to tv reporters that a helicopter had been hovering above the alleged murder house -- at the same time the msm continued to claim police were 'still searching for missing millionaire'

Is he dead ? Was he murdered ? Or has a great deal of effort gone into convincing someone (who?) that he's dead

It's claimed by the msm that the allegedly missing Rockerfeller was killed and burned then buried. The mass media is also claiming that police have only been able to locate partial burned remains. Could be anyone's partial burned remains, couldn't it ?

Rockerfeller may never have been missing to begin with

Thanks to a highly unusual media focus on the case, it's now being claimed he's gone forever, dead, gone

How many people go missing in Australia every day ?

How often does the media swing into overdrive about it as they have in the alleged Rockerfeller mystery ?

And WHY the repeated claims by the allegedly missing/murdered man's family AND some people online, that he is not .. not .. not a member of THE Rockerfeller family ?

Is it a case of 'protesteth too much' ?

If so, WHY ?

Originally posted by thewind




3. Even more interesting is the influence this man and his family had in New Zealand:

"Just last month one of the family's investment companies, Burnie Hospital Limited, agreed to a $52 million deal to sell the North West Regional Hospital in Burnie to the Tasmanian Government.


The Rockefeller family owned the hospital, built for $26 million in 1994, and leased it to the Tasmanian Government. Over the past 16 years, the family has reaped an estimated $90 million in lease fees on the site. The 25-year deal was worth $125 million in total - so extravagant the Tasmanian Government finally sought to buy its way out of the contract."

You know that Tasmania is part of Australia, don't you?

These two factions have a lot of enemies besides each other. Anyone could be involved, even the CIA or NSA. With all the rumors of the Asian Triads and ninjas making threats to the Illuminate leadership, the CIA or NSA and or some corporate interest could easily blame such an abduction or murder on the Asian Triads.

In time we may know what happened, but if this really was a professional hit, then we will never find a body and we will never know why he was taken and killed in the first place.

This missing person will remain a mystery and that is exactly as someone wants it to be because if this had been a public death with a lot of media coverage, it would have signaled a message to a group.

Sensational slanted media coverage along with media reports of the victim being tortured and suffering a horrible and painful death in order to instill fear among all remaining Illuminate members would be the ultimate talking point for some media talking head.

Since this has not happened, I am left to infer that he may be missing because of some personal business conflict and by looking at what those business conflicts could be, we may find who had motive to kidnap him and make him disappear.

Originally posted by thewind
The article explained that pretty well, or did you miss it?

Firstly, that is not an article, that is a blog and therefore contains opinions and theories regarding the deceased interspersed with facts and anecdotes.

Secondly, the blog had no factual evidence linking Herman Rockefeller to the Rockefeller family dynasty other than speculatively or coincedentally.

The family relationships are in business relations.

How so? What are the links to the United States-based Rockefellers? Does he own shares in the same companies? Does he sit on any of the same boards or committees? Did any of his dealings in business cause him to come in contact with his alleged family members?

Some think they are too coincidental for them not to be related?

Coincidence does not equal fact.

Do you know if they are or are not related genetically? I don't.

Precisely. You do not know if they are related but the title of the thread jumps to the statement of two families warring and places him in the Rockefeller camp. I enjoy a good conspiracy as much as the next person but the title of this thread is very specious. There is no evidence that Herman is related to the Rockefeller dynasty and certainly no evidence that he was murdered by the Rothschilds.

Maybe they did this picture to piss Rockefeller off...

www.ukcolumn.org...

naw, its just a coincidence like everything else... look close at his
belt buckle ... Skull X Bones. ECO Pirate thats floats on water and
poised like Jesus on the cross... meet aka Jesus de Rothchild ... David de Rothschild.




[edit on 30-1-2010 by Anti-Evil]

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
Firstly, that is not an article, that is a blog and therefore contains opinions and theories regarding the deceased interspersed with facts and anecdotes.
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The first info I posted was a news article posted in a blog, and now, here's a regular news article just for you AM. Are you happy now?

www.dailytelegraph.com.au...

Millionaire Herman Rockefeller gone missing
By Mark Buttler and Amelia Harris From: The Daily Telegraph January 25, 2010 12:00AM 6 commentsIncrease Text Size Decrease Text Size Print Email Share Add to Digg Add to del.icio.us Add to Facebook Add to Kwoff Add to Myspace Add to Newsvine What are these?


Melbourne businessman Herman Rockefeller has mysteriously disappeared. Picture: Victoria Police

Source: Herald Sun
THE sudden disappearance of a wealthy businessman has police baffled and his family distraught.

Father of two Herman Rockefeller has not been seen since he arrived at Melbourne Airport on Thursday after an interstate business trip.

Mr Rockefeller, whose 52nd birthday is today, disembarked from a flight at 9pm and collected his 2007 Toyota Prius from a long-term carpark before leaving the airport.

The Harvard graduate and former Carlton United Breweries director had returned from a four-day business trip to Newcastle with his brother Robert.

Police said CCTV footage showed an arm, appearing to wear similar clothing to that of Mr Rockefeller, emerging from the car to pay the parking fee by credit card at 9.32pm. There is no indication of his movements from then.

He did not use his most likely route to head in the direction of home.
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His phone has not been turned back on since it was switched off for the flight and no bank transactions have been made.

Mr Rockefeller's wife Vicky said yesterday her husband, who was excited about their 18-year-old daughter's admission to study medicine at Monash University, tried to call her at 6.10pm.

Mrs Rockefeller said she had her phone on silent because she was at the Australian Open tennis tournament.

But she texted him to say they would be arriving home about the same time.

"There's just nothing. You just can't imagine what it's like. It's unbearable," she said yesterday.

Robert Rockefeller said he and his brother operated in property investment and had just had a successful and enjoyable trip north.

He said the family was not related to the legendary American business clan.

Plastered ALL over the front pages of major newspapers (and reiterated endlessly on Aussie tv)

is the news that the 'missing Rockerfeller' has been found dead. Murdered. Burned

ALSO in gigantic print on newspapers everywhere on Sunday

was the news that the 'missing Rockerfeller' had been part of a sex ring and indulged (allegedly) in 'swaps'

Very tawdry

Going to make it difficult for those who have to read the eulogies

And what a legacy for his kids and family

reply to post by MaxBlack


I'm not making this comment in jest or in any way ridiculing you. You stated that ninjas are threating the Illuminati leadership? If true, that one statement could be the most uber thing I've heard in years!

Swinger link to Herman Rockefeller murder
By Adam Shand, Sue Hewlett and Ellen Whinnett From: Sunday Herald Sun January 31, 2010 12:00AM

THE secret double life of Herman Rockefeller - a mystery girlfriend, five secret mobile phones and a connection to Melbourne's swingers scene - may to have led to the multi-millionaire's brutal death.

Human remains found in the backyard of a run-down Housing Commission home in suburban Glenroy, Victoria are thought to be those of the 52-year-old millionaire, who disappeared nine days ago.

The married father of two, who had a string of successful companies and drove an environmentally-friendly Toyota Prius, had appeared to the outside world to be an average, albeit mega-wealthy, suburban dad and husband

.But police investigations have revealed that he led a secret double life - and had allegedly met the two people charged with his murder through an internet site for swingers, or people who swap sexual partners.

Bernadette Denny, 41, and Mario Schembri, 57, will appear in court tomorrow charged with murdering Mr Rockefeller.

A police source said no further charges or arrests are expected to be made in relation to the murder.

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the above was dated Sunday 31 Jan 2010

and similar headlines screamed out from newstands, supermarkets, newsagencies, tv, etc.


While Herman Rockerfeller was still being touted as 'missing', the media reported that his wife as saying her missing husband had phoned to say he would be home soon --- and that he'd cried with joy, over the phone, to learn that his daughter had been accepted into university

My sympathies are with the daughter in particular. The 2010 university year will commence soon. It's impossible to remain anonymous when one's father has been top of the news for a week as a 'missing' paragon of virtue -- only to be followed by even more sensational coverage (like the three inch high print on weekend front pages) describing him as murdered and frequenter of grubby sex groups

The same unsavoury revelations will also rob the widow and family of dignity and pride at the funeral, no matter how polite people are

What a legacy

If the triad or other group set out to give the Rockerfellers a public black eye, they certainly succeeded

They not only took Herman Rockerfeller's life. They also destroyed his reputation and to a degree, his family

Apparently Herman Rockefeller is a cousin of Nelson Rockefeller.
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Rockefellers’ Tassie trail


22.12.06 1:01 am

Margaretta Pos, Crikey

Crikey can also reveal that Nekon Pty Ltd, which owns the Bayside Burnie Hotel and has bought a significant Art Deco building, the Portside Building, from the Burnie City Council, is a Rockefeller company.

Two American multi millionaires have spent millions of dollars investing in real estate in Tasmania in the past couple of years. Crikey can reveal they are the media-shy brothers, Herman and Robert Rockefeller.


A well-informed source says they are scions of the American Rockefeller dynasty and cousins of Nelson Rockefeller.

Herman Rockefeller lives in Melbourne, but regularly visits Tasmania, while Robert Rockefeller and his young family live in the Hobart suburb of Sandy Bay.

Among many positions, Robert Rockefeller is vice president of the Property Council of Australia, Herman Rockefeller’s directorships include Carlton and United Breweries.


Early this year, the University of Tasmania sold 42 houses in the upmarket suburbs of Sandy Bay, Battery Point, Dynnyrne and South Hobart to a “private vendor” for a bargain basement price of $13.5 million.

Crikey can reveal the buyer: the Rockefellers.

Bought over many years, the houses have been used as a below-market rent option for 200 students. While most of the buildings are run down, they are in prime locations, most in Sandy Bay, and all within walking distance of the university’s Sandy Bay campus and the CBD.

Given the recent surge in Hobart property values — which continues against the trend in Melbourne and Sydney — the Rockefellers are expected to make a killing when the buildings are renovated or demolished and the sites redeveloped.

While plans are drawn up, the brothers have leased them to the the Tasmania University Union for student housing in 2007.

Other properties snapped up by the Rockefellers include a prime vacant block in the Hobart CBD and a building on the city end of Sandy Bay Rd which is being redeveloped into apartments.

Crikey can also reveal that Nekon Pty Ltd, which owns the Bayside Burnie Hotel and has bought a significant Art Deco building, the Portside Building, from the Burnie City Council, is a Rockefeller company.

Portside is to be demolished. Art Deco Society of Australia president Robin Grow told the Tasmanian media last week that it would have been a feature of a proposed Art Deco trail in Burnie, which had the potential to rival Napier in New Zealand.

reply to post by thewind


Well, well. Onya Crikey

People have been saying for years that They (that poor, defamed group which no-one dares mention) have been buying up and moving to Tassie en masse

Onya Crikey some more

puts and end to the loud-protests in fora worldwide about ' He's NOT, NOT, NOT connected with THE Rockerfellers ! ' ... doesn't it ?

Wonder which uni his daughter was accepted by ?

Not that I'm cynical or suspicious or anything


So, in BIG print now, everyone:


YES ! HE WAS PART OF THE INFAMOUS ROCKERFELLER GANG !

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Originally posted by thewind
The first info I posted was a news article posted in a blog, and now, here's a regular news article just for you AM. Are you happy now?

I think you are missing the point. The blog was the basis for your thread. The news article you just listed mentions nothing about a Rockefeller/Rothschild war.

Very misleading thread, full of rumour, very little truth and nothing to substantiate a war between two factions, especially given

"which was the headquarters for Standard Oil until the company was sold to British Petroleum"

Who do you think started BP - ? When at war you tend not to sell the most valuable weapon you have to the enemy.