Conservative Justices Sell The Nation to Corps

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by pajoly

 

Wow, are you joking? I don't even know where to begin with that ridiculous post. So to you, someone that is conservative like Doc or myself has been played and indoctrinated by the right, but those like you haven't been played by the left..... Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Also you say the right is the side praying for the deaths of the other side? You joking? Go to democratic underground forums sometime..... tell me who many of them talk about killing and wanting to die.

Partisan politics are on both sides, and the symptoms look the exact same. But you only see the effects of those on the right because it is you that have the blinders on my friend. If you are not intellectually honest enough to admit to yourself, that is your fault and your ignorance will continue. I could care less what your politics are, but you're just another person playing the whole team sport of 'Republicans vs democrats'. Blame everything on one side. Ya real intellectually honest buddy.

Hi Johnny,
I admit what he said applied to me right up until yesterday.
I was sold completely on the Conservative movement, I was down with the Tea Party, and the birthers, but now, after this. I'm done.

I was betrayed period, and so were you, Maybe you are not as radical as I was but I had no problem not even reading what Obama said. It's not about him being black, it was about him destroying my way of life.

Now, he looks like everybody was wrong about him, and I was a programmed fool.

I admit it. I was wrong, but no more.

Cyberstray

Originally posted by CyberStray

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by pajoly

 

Wow, are you joking? I don't even know where to begin with that ridiculous post. So to you, someone that is conservative like Doc or myself has been played and indoctrinated by the right, but those like you haven't been played by the left..... Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Also you say the right is the side praying for the deaths of the other side? You joking? Go to democratic underground forums sometime..... tell me who many of them talk about killing and wanting to die.

Partisan politics are on both sides, and the symptoms look the exact same. But you only see the effects of those on the right because it is you that have the blinders on my friend. If you are not intellectually honest enough to admit to yourself, that is your fault and your ignorance will continue. I could care less what your politics are, but you're just another person playing the whole team sport of 'Republicans vs democrats'. Blame everything on one side. Ya real intellectually honest buddy.

Hi Johnny,
I admit what he said applied to me right up until yesterday.
I was sold completely on the Conservative movement, I was down with the Tea Party, and the birthers, but now, after this. I'm done.

I was betrayed period, and so were you, Maybe you are not as radical as I was but I had no problem not even reading what Obama said. It's not about him being black, it was about him destroying my way of life.

Now, he looks like everybody was wrong about him, and I was a programmed fool.

I admit it. I was wrong, but no more.

Cyberstray

Well you are entitled to you opinion buddy, but I respectfully disagree. Additionally, if you were coming up with your political opinion before about Obama without even researching, that is shameful. No one, liberal or conservative, should just listen to what a political party says your opinion should be and you follow it. Wherever you end up politically, I encourage you to do research and depend on no one for all of your information and opinions. Find your own moral and political compass and follow it, wherever that leads.

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I agree with you that brainwashing comes from both sides, but tend to believe that it most virulently occurs on the Right. The Left tends to be too soft and too academic to be virulent. And certainly I believe this be true over the past 10 years or so. I think Clinton's crowd was sneaky and elitist and think Hillary was ruthless, but I think Cheney's bunch is downright sinister. Bush I think was mostly a foil.

Growing up in the DC-area, I have relatives in the CIA. It would be hard for me to understate just how much the black (as in covert, internly and externally, as well as contractor world like Blackwater/Xe) world has mushroomed in the last 8 years. All that moved me away from the Republicans because I believe them to have been taken over by the evangelical Right.

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We do have the power to boycott companies, but we are inclined not to inconvenience ourselves too much (I am maybe more guilty than most on that score). Wal-Mart is cheap and convenient, Costco even more so and that is hard to walk away from.

I would personally like to see mass strikes, but Americans tend to think that's the domain of the fringe left. I did (in November) cancel my 401k and moved all my money from BoA to a local credit union -- that was a small tangible thing I could do.

Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by CyberStray

Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by pajoly

 

Wow, are you joking?

Partisan politics are on both sidesally honest buddy.

Hi Johnny,
I admit what he said applied to me right up until yesterday.

Now, he looks like everybody was wrong about him, and I was a programmed fool.

I admit it. I was wrong, but no more.

Cyberstray

Well you are entitled to you opinion buddy, but I respectfully disagree. Additionally, if you were coming up with your political opinion before about Obama without even researching, that is shameful. No one, liberal or conservative, should just listen to what a political party says your opinion should be and you follow it. Wherever you end up politically, I encourage you to do research and depend on no one for all of your information and opinions. Find your own moral and political compass and follow it, wherever that leads.

That's easy for you to say, but I see you doing just that thing. I'm a young guy, I listened to people like you. It all sounded great until I saw the news yesterday.

You do have to pick sides and follow your instinct, and from on I'm checking everything. But it's naive to think there are not a lot of people like me who believed what they were told and got carried away.

You are right, I was an anus, what is everybody else's excuse?

Cyberstray

I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but I found it really interesting.

If anyone doubts where Ron Paul's loyalty lie, perhaps this can clear up some misconceptions:

In a devastating blow to political speech, the Supreme Court recently upheld most of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill passed by Congress last year. The legislation will do nothing to curb special interest power or reduce corruption in Washington, but it will make it harder for average Americans to influence government. “Campaign finance reform” really means the bright-line standard of free speech has been replaced by a murky set of regulations and restrictions that will muzzle political dissent and protect incumbents. Justice Scalia correctly accuses the Court of supporting a law “That cuts to the heart of what the First Amendment is meant to protect: the right to criticize the government…This is a sad day for freedom of speech.”

Two important points ignored by the Court should be made. First, although the new campaign rules clearly violate the First amendment, they should be struck down primarily because Congress has no authority under Article I of the Constitution to regulate campaigns at all. Article II authorizes only the regulation of elections, not campaigns, because our Founders knew Congress might pass campaign laws that protect incumbency. This is precisely what McCain-Feingold represents: blatant incumbent protection sold to the public as noble reform.

Second, freedom of the press applies equally to all Americans, not just the institutional, government-approved media. An unknown internet blogger, a political party, a candidate, and the New York Times should all enjoy the same right to political speech. Yet McCain-Feingold treats the mainstream press as some kind of sacred institution rather than the for-profit industry it is. Why should giant media companies be able to spend unlimited amounts of money to promote candidates and issues, while an organization you support cannot? The notion of creating a preferred class of media, with special First Amendment rights, is distinctly elitist and un-American.

Outrageously, the Court failed to strike down a provision of the campaign finance bill that virtually outlaws criticism of incumbent politicians for 60 days before an election—exactly the time when most voters learn about candidates and issues. The ban essentially prohibits any group from airing radio or television ads that cast politicians in a negative light during the critical final months of an election. The ban even carries the possibility of criminal penalties, meaning the Court has endorsed criminalizing political dissent! Incumbent politicians certainly will be the beneficiaries of the new ban, as they no longer have to suffer through ads that criticize their performance.

Wealthy people will always seek to influence politicians, because government unfortunately plays a very big role in determining who gets (and stays) rich in our country. Our federal government has become a taxing, spending, and regulating leviathan that virtually controls the economy. Having rejected the notion of limited, constitutional government, we can hardly be surprised when special interests use corrupting campaign money to influence the process! We need to get money out of government; only then will money not be important in politics. Big government and big campaign money go hand-in-hand.

Ron Paul: "Campaign Finance Reform” Muzzles Political Dissent

There you have it. Ron Paul sides not, contrary to widespread belief in these parts, with the American citizen but with Wall Street. Of course, his little blurb is full of appeals to emotion and fails to acknowledge one thing: this new system will effectively eliminate a lot of the need for lobbyists - perhaps this is the real reason lobbyists hate Paul. In his own words:

I don’t believe the problem is corrupt lobbyists or even corrupt politicians per se. The fundamental problem, in my view, is the very culture of Washington. Our political system has become nothing more than a means of distributing government largesse, through tax dollars confiscated from the American people-- always in the name democracy.

No, no the capitalist elite would never try to influence politics in their favor...

Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by johnny2127

 

I agree with you that brainwashing comes from both sides, but tend to believe that it most virulently occurs on the Right. The Left tends to be too soft and too academic to be virulent. And certainly I believe this be true over the past 10 years or so. I think Clinton's crowd was sneaky and elitist and think Hillary was ruthless, but I think Cheney's bunch is downright sinister. Bush I think was mostly a foil.

Growing up in the DC-area, I have relatives in the CIA. It would be hard for me to understate just how much the black (as in covert, internly and externally, as well as contractor world like Blackwater/Xe) world has mushroomed in the last 8 years. All that moved me away from the Republicans because I believe them to have been taken over by the evangelical Right.

I get what you are saying no and can even partially agree with parts.

Just as politics in general have a political spectrum and swing left right and up and down, so do political parties and movements. The right will swing between business capitalism, evangelicals, and libertarians. The left swings between socialists/communists, hippies, big govt people, liberals. Point is all parties and movements swing back forth, same as govts. Just stay true to yourself, don't blindly follow any party or movement and you'll be fine. To the same extent, don't think that control of a party or movement is static and unchanging.

reply to post by Someone336


Great post Someone,

S - If anyone doubts where Ron Paul's loyalty lie, perhaps this can clear up some misconceptions:

C - If you dig deeper you will find other Ron Paul contradictions.


Cheers

Cyberstray





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Sorry Ziggy,

I'm starting to think I am you!

Cyberstray

Originally posted by CyberStray

Originally posted by johnny2127

Well you are entitled to you opinion buddy, but I respectfully disagree. Additionally, if you were coming up with your political opinion before about Obama without even researching, that is shameful. No one, liberal or conservative, should just listen to what a political party says your opinion should be and you follow it. Wherever you end up politically, I encourage you to do research and depend on no one for all of your information and opinions. Find your own moral and political compass and follow it, wherever that leads.

That's easy for you to say, but I see you doing just that thing. I'm a young guy, I listened to people like you. It all sounded great until I saw the news yesterday.

You do have to pick sides and follow your instinct, and from on I'm checking everything. But it's naive to think there are not a lot of people like me who believed what they were told and got carried away.

You are right, I was an anus, what is everybody else's excuse?

Cyberstray

Wait I don't get what you just said. You are saying that you shouldn't do your own research and come to your own conclusions? How the hell does that make sense? Are you just lazy and just want to blindly listen to someone? If not, do your own research and decide what you believe, whether that leads you right or left or in between. Anyone with constitutional and political knowledge knows this does not benefit either party more than another, and was the correct legal ruling. Corporations donate and endorse 50/50 between Republicans and Democrats. That is fact. Unions donate and endorse 70% democrat. Again, a fact.

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I'm not a Ron Paul hater, I always thought he was the most rational one, but I did read some white supremacist literature put out on his newsletters.

His excuse was he wasn't reading it.

I'll try to find some sources.

But that would be off topic here.

Why don't you start a thread.

Ziggy

Why don't you start a thread.

You know what, I think I will. Dinner calls at the moment though.

By the way, do you think you could u2u me if you find sources on the white supremacist stuff in the newsletter?

Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by CyberStray

Originally posted by johnny2127

Find your own moral and political compass and follow it, wherever that leads.

You do have to pick sides and follow your instinct, and from now on I'm checking everything. But it's naive to think there are not a lot of people like me who believed what they were told and got carried away.

You are right, I was an anus, what is everybody else's excuse?

Cyberstray

Wait I don't get what you just said. You are saying that you shouldn't do your own research and come to your own conclusions? How the hell does that make sense? Are you just lazy and just want to blindly listen to someone? If not, do your own research and decide what you believe, whether that leads you right or left or in between. Anyone with constitutional and political knowledge knows this does not benefit either party more than another, and was the correct legal ruling. Corporations donate and endorse 50/50 between Republicans and Democrats. That is fact. Unions donate and endorse 70% democrat. Again, a fact.

Why are you ignoring what I said, this is what I was taught to do, ignore what they say and say this, or that.

I'm saying I was duped, and I'm guilty of not thinking for myself, but
Yesterday I woke up and realised I was the idiot.

I agree things should be according to the constitution, and I'm reading everything I can so I can make my own decision.

I believed what I was told. I hated Obama for no reason now that I think on it. If you really look at what is happening, it looks like he is trying and everybody including the democrats is blocking him.

With a clear head, I think we should give him a chance, if he ignores this issue, then screw him too.

CyberStray

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Well alright then

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Will do Someone

Have a great time

Ziggy

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

Funny. I was thinking they sold the US out to the unions, leftist pressure groups like ACORN, NARAL, NAACP, Greenpeace and all of the other jewels of the left, not the corporations. Thanks for setting me straight because I was concerned before and feel much better now.

Great, more far-Republican idealogues who would care more for their party's sake than the rest of the nation or the world. Your party just # on us all, all the while complaining of Obama's abuses. If you aren't in the top economics, now it's official- it will be just like the Industrial Age and Political Era of Policing. They're not even covering it up anymore. Stop saying the libs are the only ones who do these things, because your group just #ed the entire Constitution up its ass without lubricant

I think most of us can agree this is a bad decision. But shouldn't we be looking to where to go from here? Any ideas out there? All this vitriol is counter productive. Isn't it? Or do we just vent rage and go on with business as usual.

Originally posted by koolerthanjesus
I think most of us can agree this is a bad decision. But shouldn't we be looking to where to go from here? Any ideas out there? All this vitriol is counter productive. Isn't it? Or do we just vent rage and go on with business as usual.

Agreed. The only two places to go are:

1) Limiting the influence of corporations and unions through constitutional means that do not suppress freedom of speech.

2) A constitutional amendment.

Originally posted by koolerthanjesus
I think most of us can agree this is a bad decision. But shouldn't we be looking to where to go from here? Any ideas out there? All this vitriol is counter productive. Isn't it? Or do we just vent rage and go on with business as usual.

I agree, where we go from here is, petition the President, and our representative to reverse this decision.

But I also think the respective players have to determine who to Petition, and who to deny.

As soon as I see the Republican party taking steps instead of applauding, I'm done rebutting them.

Same goes for all the other groups.

Lies got us here, ignoring the liars will keep us here.

Extreme ideology is killing all of us. We need to step back and fight the problem. There will be time to think through all the details if we are able to plug the hole in the dyke.

Let's agree on something.


Ziggy Strange

Originally posted by endisnighe
How about a new party called The Leave me the # alone Party!

....Would that be anarchist, and thus be kinda redundant?