Something bigger going on in Haiti? Zombies?

Call me heartless if you want but...

WHO CARES...

The people of Haiti have been starving and dying and dehydrated for a long long time. Their GDP was just under $7billion. We could have bought Haiti 100 times with our recent "Give the banks our money" campaign. These pictures that we are all seeing are of a huge minority. The majority of Haiti doesnt live in big cement buildings...come on!

People sent $8mil via text message alone in the first week. What is Haiti going to do with $8mil? Lets see how much of the donations actually go to helping rebuild...you can build alot of huts for $8mil.

They have a pretty big following of a religion that advocates zombies down there.

I also find it odd that all the missionaries are desperately trying to leave as quick as they can and are being held up.

Originally posted by bonzye
Its just a theory. I sont honestly believe in it my self. But it seems honestly possible. Sorry for having a opinion

How does it seem possible tho?

Where in the entire universe has anyone seen or documented the existence of zombies.

You could replace the word zombie with vampires or werewolves, lycans, ghosts, sponge bobs, etc, and it would not change the fact these things are imaginary.

Well, maybe not sponge bobs..

But don't be offended by the reactions you are getting, consider them... without them, people everywhere would go mad with delusional paranoia.

Zombies are a big hit in the cinemas and video games. Before it was vampires with those chick flicks, now it's zombies. Guess what's next?

This is what happens when you play too much Resident Evil.

I thought of this. What if instead of an earthquake a bomb went off destroying the buildings? It seems logical enough. I do not think its in bad taste for all who are saying that. Is it in bad taste to ask questions? NO. Our government has lied to us before, never rule out possibilities.

Originally posted by bkcrt
This is what happens when you play too much Resident Evil.

...and have no capacity to think critically. Good lord... what is the OP smoking?

Originally posted by bonzye
I thought of this. What if instead of an earthquake a bomb went off destroying the buildings? It seems logical enough. I do not think its in bad taste for all who are saying that. Is it in bad taste to ask questions? NO. Our government has lied to us before, never rule out possibilities.

You're adopted. Never rule out possibilities.

And your real parents are watching you.... oO

C'mon guy, really?????

Originally posted by Unregistered
Zombies are a big hit in the cinemas and video games. Before it was vampires with those chick flicks, now it's zombies. Guess what's next?

I dunno, I hear dances with smurfs is pretty popular!!

And I actually liked that movie.. Still seemed animated to me but it was a good 9 hours of escapism.. Avatar ftw !!

I've seen the Zombie threads here and in other fora and until now haven't bothered responding because I dismissed Zombies as ridiculous

And then I remembered reading a book which was quite old, written by a well-respected author of the day. Can't remember the author's name, but he was an explorer and scientist in the Victorian era, I think

He was the guest of wealthy landowners in Haiti and despite warnings from his hosts, determined to discover if the myths about Zombies had any basis in reality

He was eventually introduced to older residents who claimed that Zombies could be seen and possibly spoken to if he were prepared to travel to a certain place on certain market days. On such days, he was told, a couple who employed Zombies as cheap labour took the Zombies to the market as a reward

The author claimed he did meet Zombies in this way, via the couple who used the Zombies in the fields. According to the author, the Zombies 'shuffled' and appeared 'mindless' and were unable to engage in meaningful conversation. At the close of the market, the Zombies trailed behind their overseers obediently, like cattle

The author also claimed to have heard from people who had witnessed Zombies who had been identified by members of their families. Some families tried to get their deceased (now Zombified) relative back from the clutches of overseers who preferred Zombies as slave labour because they were obedient and able to engage in simple and repetitive tasks for little if any pay

The book contained alleged descriptions of the creation of Zombies and the author claimed many respected people, including members of the clergy, alleged to have seen people in Zombie form, despite having attended the Zombie's funeral sometimes several years earlier

One of these stories which sticks in my mind, though I can't remember many of the details, concerned a high-born white woman who was witnessed by several respected members of the community as a Zombie after her death and funeral. Her father or husband went to extreme lengths to rescue her from her 'masters', but after being returned to her family home, she remained basically mindless and unable to communicate apart from the simplest directions

While running searches for the book in question a moment ago, I came across this link, which looks quite interesting:

www.zombiehub.com...

I'm fairly sure that the author I mentioned in earlier posts was named W.B. Seabrook

This is a link to a page about some of his writings on Haitian Zombies:

www.lsu.edu...

Interesting information here,

re: Voodoo and Zombies, African and Christian influences, Voodoo gods, etc.

www.angelfire.com...

Another ritual the author witnessed: garbed as half man, half woman in a ruffled shirt, cutaway coat, silk hat, and cigar stub, Papa Nebo, an hermaphrodite, wrought mysteries with corpses, pronounced the oracle of the dead. Other corpses, zombies, worked in the cane fields, strictly supervised. To a white they seemed rather like gaunt imbeciles with their keeper. But how was it that often blacks had seen their relatives buried, only to find them weeks later in servitude as zombies?

From Time's review of W.B. Seabrook's book about Haiti, 'The Magic Island', copyright approx 1929

www.time.com...

Zombies have been studied by academics, according to this site, although they've come in from criticism by the scientific community

According to the tenets of Voodoo, a dead person can be revived by a bokor, or sorcerer. Zombies remain under the control of the bokor since they have no will of their own. It is understood that after a time God will take the soul back and so the zombi is a temporary spiritual entity.

In 1937, while researching folklore in Haiti, Zora Neale Hurston encountered the case of a woman that appeared in a village, and a family claimed she was Felicia Felix-Mentor, a relative who had died and been buried in 1907 at the age of 29. Hurston pursued rumors that the affected persons were given powerful drugs, but she was unable to locate individuals willing to offer much information. She wrote:

“ What is more, if science ever gets to the bottom of Voodoo in Haiti and Africa, it will be found that some important medical secrets, still unknown to medical science, give it its power, rather than gestures of ceremony. - Zora Neale Hurston. ”

Several decades later, Wade Davis, a Harvard ethnobotanist, presented a pharmacological case for zombies in two books, The Serpent and the Rainbow (1985) and Passage of Darkness: The Ethnobiology of the Haitian Zombie (1988). Davis traveled to Haiti in 1982 and, as a result of his investigations, claimed that a living person can be turned into a zombie by two special powders being entered into the blood stream (usually via a wound).

To read more:
creepshowmayhem.com...


Is there smoke without fire?

Would Africans, Haitians and Voodoo practitioners continue their belief in Zombies for several hundred years, based on no evidence at all ? Perhaps. Perhaps not

I love what I call "Walking Dead People" movies, but I know they are fiction. Even when I was a child, decades ago, I knew the difference between fiction and reality and never mixed the two in my mind. We had Asylums for those who lost touch with reality.

Now suddenly we see this trend towards people, who seem to be adults, suggesting fiction as reality on a daily basis. Are we devolving? Are young people now loosing the ability to differentiate between reality and fantasy? It would seem so.

In this case its doubly bad as this is a real human tragedy. Dead is dead and these victims loved ones have lost their parents, children, family and friends. They will not rise from the grave.

Perhaps its time for you to get away from your computer, your TV set and spend a little time in the real world? If you mean this as a joke, your timing and choice of topic is very bad.

Originally posted by Dock9
I've seen the Zombie threads here and in other fora and until now haven't bothered responding because I dismissed Zombies as ridiculous

And then I remembered reading a book which was quite old, written by a well-respected author of the day. Can't remember the author's name...

No worries, I've got it right here:
en.wikipedia.org...

(my apologies for the wiki reference, but this time I just couldn't resist.)

hahah I got a good laugh out of this.

The reason why "they are still dieng" is because new bodies are found under the rubbel. Not because of some zombies.

This is actually so extreme crazy that I might think your either joking or trying to make ATS look stupid with such threads.

Not trying to desprespect but dude, calm down. Zombies are the stuff of movies.

Originally posted by Dock9
Zombies have been studied by academics, according to this site, although they've come in from criticism by the scientific community

According to the tenets of Voodoo, a dead person can be revived by a bokor, or sorcerer. Zombies remain under the control of the bokor since they have no will of their own. It is understood that after a time God will take the soul back and so the zombi is a temporary spiritual entity.

In 1937, while researching folklore in Haiti, Zora Neale Hurston encountered the case of a woman that appeared in a village, and a family claimed she was Felicia Felix-Mentor, a relative who had died and been buried in 1907 at the age of 29. Hurston pursued rumors that the affected persons were given powerful drugs, but she was unable to locate individuals willing to offer much information. She wrote:

“ What is more, if science ever gets to the bottom of Voodoo in Haiti and Africa, it will be found that some important medical secrets, still unknown to medical science, give it its power, rather than gestures of ceremony. - Zora Neale Hurston. ”

Several decades later, Wade Davis, a Harvard ethnobotanist, presented a pharmacological case for zombies in two books, The Serpent and the Rainbow (1985) and Passage of Darkness: The Ethnobiology of the Haitian Zombie (1988). Davis traveled to Haiti in 1982 and, as a result of his investigations, claimed that a living person can be turned into a zombie by two special powders being entered into the blood stream (usually via a wound).

To read more:
creepshowmayhem.com...


Is there smoke without fire?

Would Africans, Haitians and Voodoo practitioners continue their belief in Zombies for several hundred years, based on no evidence at all ? Perhaps. Perhaps not

Ancient Aliens that came to earth and had techonolgies to control the mind of the primitive? Then the primitive saw these aliens as magicians. And so the myth of zombies was born.

it's possible (Im not sarcastic)

Zombies are not a possibility, it is yet another rumor. This one only gave additional fuel to the rumor by "Poppa Doc". See www.abovetopsecret.com... as to not post the same reply on various threads.

Dock9 is onto the real truth. Its like the based on facts movie The Serpent And The Rainbow from the late 80's.

Real "zombies" if you will aren't actually dead, they are just brought to near death using the puffer fish toxin which makes one appear dead for up to several days. Often during this time these people are buried only to be dug up later..and made zombie slaves.

Now remember the reports of all the people in Haiti going to cemetaries with shovels to bury the "dead"? could be some voodoo priest and his followers creating a zombie army to take over the remaining resources of Port Au Prince and the outlying areas.

And I propose that the US Army and the CIA are down there trying to utilize this "technology" for their own nefarious purposes such as an invasion on Cuba to take place later this year.

Lets not forget that if captured these zombies wont be able to give up any info about what the CIA has planned.

so to sum it all up, the army is down there containing the localized zombie outbreak, while the CIA are rounding up the leaders/voodoo priests to use their knowledge of zombie creation to build an army of the almost-dead to wreak havok across the carribean in the name of American interests.