Credible Terrorism Threats

reply to post by JJay55


I appreciate you views and opinions; these bring out topics that need to be researched and personal opinions developed. I hate that we have posters who are so ready to shoot the messenger. Please keep up the good work, you are appreciated.

Just thought I'd throw some reading material in here for more perspective.

Enjoy...

Yemen and the Al Qaeda Pretext: A Closer Look at the War on Terrorism's “New Frontier”

In an interview to BBC Arabic, the comments of Yemeni Chief of Staff in the Central Security Forces, Brigadier Yehia Mohammed Abdallah Saleh, were revealing insofar as how he chose to define the nature of the threat: “the problem that Yemen is facing remains with Al Qaeda sympathizers rather than with Al Qaeda itself.” He went on to add, “Al Qaeda is trying to weaken Yemen thinking it could operate unchecked if it cooperated with the Houthis to undermine the country”.

(SNIP)

In conclusion, the recent focus on Yemen is primarily driven by geostrategic imperatives which revolve around preserving a pro-US configuration of the Middle East. Media hype and sensationalized analysis obscure the underlying dynamics which, in fact implicate the US’s closest regional clients most notably, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, in engendering the Al Qaeda threat.

It's a good article. I only touched on it in the quotes. Here's another....

The Yemen Hidden Agenda: Behind the Al-Qaeda Scenarios, A Strategic Oil Transit Chokepoint

Notably, Bruce Riedel, a 30-year CIA veteran who advised President Obama on the policy leading to the Afghan troop surge, wrote in his blog of the alleged ties of the Detroit bomber to Yemen, "The attempt to destroy Northwest Airlines Flight 253 en route from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day underscores the growing ambition of Al Qaeda's Yemen franchise, which has grown from a largely Yemeni agenda to become a player in the global Islamic jihad in the last year... The weak Yemeni government of President Ali Abdallah Salih, which has never fully controlled the country and now faces a host of growing problems, will need significant American support to defeat AQAP."[1].

....but.......what about this?- in the same article....

Also in that video, in addition to former Guantanamo inmate al-Shihri, is a statement from Abu-al-Harith Muhammad al-Awfi, identified as a field commander in the video, and allegedly former Guantanamo detainee 333. As it is well-established that torture methods are worthless to obtain truthful confessions, some have speculated that the real goal of CIA and Pentagon interrogators at Guantanamo prison since September 2001, has been to use brutal techniques to train or recruit sleeper terrorists who can be activated on command by US intelligence, a charge difficult to prove or disprove. The presence of two such high-ranking Guantanamo graduates in the new Yemen-based Al Qaeda is certainly ground for questioning.

Al Qaeda in Yemen is apparently anathema to al-Fadhli and the enlarged mass-based Southern Movement. In an interview, al-Fadhli declared, "I have strong relations with all of the jihadists in the north and the south and everywhere, but not with al-Qaeda."[5] That has not hindered Saleh from claiming the Southern Movement and al Qaeda are one and the same, a convenient way to insure backing from Washington.

According to US intelligence reports, there are a grand total of perhaps 200 Al Qaeda members in southern Yemen. [6]

Al-Fadhli gave an interview distancing himself from al Qaeda in May 2009, declaring, "We [in South Yemen] have been invaded 15 years ago and we are under a vicious occupation. So we are busy with our cause and we do not look at any other cause in the world. We want our independence and to put an end to this occupation."[7] Conveniently, the same day, Al Qaeda made a large profile declaring its support for southern Yemen’s cause.

I still say that there is more to Al Qaeda in Yemen than meets the eye. The Yemeni Government declares that the Al Qaeda threat is a wholly internal issue, while the US throws a ton of cruise missiles and bombing campaigns down like rain.
There's an agenda being hidden, it's apparent. And it can't be the threat from 200 AQ members.

Just saying.
Post on!
Cuhail

Originally posted by searching411
reply to post by JJay55

 

I appreciate you views and opinions; these bring out topics that need to be researched and personal opinions developed. I hate that we have posters who are so ready to shoot the messenger. Please keep up the good work, you are appreciated.

Yeah thanks, there will always be those who lack the field experience that will pipe in, that's typical. The ignore button is essential.
The events to follow are Saudi oil fields burning, that will be a signal. The US is laying back now and our US presense is really large, we are only using reserves. When the time comes... the cowboys and indians will be a bigger game. And we all know how that turned out. We aren't even in an aggressive mode, we've just been defensive. Won't be long now. Stand by, more info to follow...

I would also like to post some possible information for people to peruse.

Strategic Plans Programme created by Development,
Concepts and Doctrine Centre (DCDC), a Directorate General within the UK’s Ministry of
Defence (MOD)

also-

Global Trends 2025 A Transformed World created by the National Intelligence Council

Maybe if people go to the SOURCE of information instead of the disinfo agents they have propagated to further their agenda, maybe people would not be so misinformed.

Look through those two documents and tell me there is not a globalization agenda in the works.

Look behind the veil to see the manipulation inherent to TPTB. You are being manipulated without even your cognition of the manipulation. Think outside the box they put you in. Reason and logic. There IS much to fear in the world, most of it is hogwash though. Fear is the mind killer.

[edit on 1/15/2010 by endisnighe]

For what its worth, if sheltered enough, one might find the belief of Al Qaeda's fabrication credible. Given some stories (e.g. project Northwoods), it is easy enough to believe.

However, I used to be a corrections officer in Northern California at a jail which was under contract with Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (then INS) to house immigration inmates, a large percentage of which were of middle eastern descent. In early 2001, we had a particularly prominent Iranian who I noticed was reading a flight manual for some large Boeing aircraft (I can't remember which now), but as an aviation buff, I asked him about it and he told me that before coming to America he was a Tomcat pilot for the Iranians (remember, in a brilliant move we sold the Iranians a block of F-14's) and liked to keep up on that sort of thing. Interesting conversation... but I moved on.

Fast forward to September 11, 2001, I remember making my rounds and seeing 10-20 muslim men cheering as the towers fell and later learned of their connection to Al Qaeda. In the days that followed we escorted the FBI and various inmates around for questioning. Some were even transferred "away" and we were not really made clear of where they were going. Some stayed, and we even got more as the years went on. As a classication officer, I was privy to background history and Al Qaeda was definitely a red flag. These people were the most polite, respectful people you could meet, but on the day of Sept 11, their true colors showed.

My point is this... whether you choose to believe it or not, Al Qaeda is real, among us and their objective is to kill as many Americans as possible. What scares me, with the realization that they are not fabricated and do walk freely among us, is why there haven't been more attacks on 'soft' targets. My suspicion is most fearful in that something BIG is coming and they are waiting it out. Recall the story of an advanced anthrax attack called off in 2003 by senior Al Qaeda because they had something much better in store... I don't care to prove myself or my story, or if you even believe me, but regardless wouldn't it be much wiser to just be prepared and focus your attention in a responsible manner instead of chasing ghosts?

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Well said.
The Koran says to lay in wait. To be patient and to keep all emotions hidden. Yes, from personal witness, this happens.
Problem is that we have been infiltrated in every sector of our free society. Now when the time comes for their planned attack we are quite vulnerable. Americans didn't wake up at the 911 Awakening. Now 10 years later when the planned total confrontation is to take place we have our pants down and still don't understand. We bicker amongst ourselves and they laugh their asses off because they will claim victory.
Very sad state we are in.

Yemen has already been cited here in this ATS thread by me referencing the Christmas Day attack as a possible action against Yemen.

Christmas Day attack as possible action against yemen?

And then this thread citing the Christmas Day attack as a staged incident.

Was Christmas Day attack staged?

Originally posted by mikelee
And then this thread citing the Christmas Day attack as a staged incident.

Anarchy against the US government is deviant behavior that terrorists use.
American society norms are that the enemy is real and we will defend our freedom. Either you are with us or against us. And we seem to know where you stand.

reply to post by JJay55


I really do not believe you know where I stand at all. If you are referring to any 911 forum posts. The "norm" is based on what people are led to believe by the actions, inactions, indecisiveness, decisions by our government and come in a variety of outlooks & perceptions based upon those aspects. What some call norm only amounts to their own beleifs or opinions derived from the aforementioned conditions. With that said there is a lot of room in the middle on either side regarding opinions of people who for their reasons may say something that does not always come across as popular yet must be stated and considered if the truth is to be found on either side of any argument. Being a career military civilian employee I view your assault based rants against people who do not see what you see or believe as nothing more than verbal terrorism because of your obvious tyrant based attitude that loudly says, "believe me or else!"

One phrase comes to mind; Your a sad one Ms. Grinch.

change salutation.

[edit on 30-1-2010 by mikelee]

Originally posted by JJay55
Either you are with us or against us.

This is a exact quote from George Bush jr.

Probably one of the stupidest things a standing President ever said.

Originally posted by mikelee
reply to post by JJay55

 

I really do not believe you know where I stand at all. If you are referring to any 911 forum posts. The "norm" is based on what people are led to believe by the actions, inactions, indecisiveness, decisions by our government and come in a variety of outlooks & perceptions based upon those aspects. What some call norm only amounts to their own beleifs or opinions derived from the aforementioned conditions. With that said there is a lot of room in the middle on either side regarding opinions of people who for their reasons may say something that does not always come across as popular yet must be stated and considered if the truth is to be found on either side of any argument. Being a career military civilian employee I view your assault based rants against people who do not see what you see or believe as nothing more than verbal terrorism because of your obvious tyrant based attitude that loudly says, "believe me or else!"

One phrase comes to mind; Your a sad one Mr. Grinch.

You may address me as Ms. Grinch, thank you. I con't care if you believe me nor do I threaten. So if you would like to be understood then you should show understanding.

No, that is not the norm as you described. Norms in America come from policy makers not the average couchpotato who gets information from who knows where. Norms are not based on popularity or opinion which you seem to be a product from the government. That doesn't even make sense.

Relating the topic to norms it can be concluded that credible threats are based on intelligence that indicates a position of defense. So a norm is that we are on constant orange alert because we have an enemy who is constantly threatening us. Can we agree on that?

Let's give some examples of these threats.
news.bbc.co.uk...
"Two US soldiers who died in eastern Afghanistan on Friday were shot dead by an interpreter, it has emerged."

www.nytimes.com...
A typical American kid joins jihad:
"He is identified by his nom de guerre, Abu Mansoor Al-Amriki, “the American,” and speaks to the camera with a cool, almost eerie confidence. “We’re waiting for the enemy to come,” Hammami whispers, a smile crossing his face. Later he vows, “We’re going to kill all of them.”