Why would God create Man to just spread his word?

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So it is as simple as that?

Letting.

Words rarely used. It is at least refreshing. Or are we just turning in our sleep?

yes, turning in your SLEEP.

from left to right

accusing to forgiving/understanding

ignorance doesnt even bother to accuse.

so mistakes are made by who ?
and why ? so why would god create man to
spread his truth that allready exsisted ?

why does god do a u-turn here.

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You want me to change?

I don't wish for you to. I really like you. But that's how it goes huh? I change, you don't.

"why does god do a u-turn here."

In life we make a big deal out of U-Turns, and it's just someone in traffic taking longer than they should to do what they need to do...

i dont want to change you anymore, i used to wanting to change everyhting though, actually i can't change anyone,
selfresponsibility. God does not need another to take
his decisions. But we are here to point each other to what
we are searching.

anyway, now i am not contributing to the topic.

God makes a u-turn in this life, to believe something.
That belief allows him to be all and good and still carry
the lies in himself. To avoid not being all.

for people avoiding the word god:

Truth makes a u-turn in .....



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Originally posted by pasttheclouds

i dont want to change you anymore, i used to wanting to change everyhting though, actually i can't change anyone,
selfresponsibility. God does not need another to take
his decisions. But we are here to point each other to what
we are searching.

Do you have any Idea what you just said? You basically said that God is everything. In an instant. And I felt like i was helping... Will we ever see eye to eye?

You understand me, I understand You.

Am I allowed to answer my own questions?

Eye to eye

it means what you accuse you accuse about yourself = reflection
what uses the sword gets the sword = reflecting in right measurement

Turn the other cheeck = see with 2 eyes = 2 sides
discover the positive in the negative (accuse - forgive = it grows newer beliefsystems, the reason of this (tree of )life.)

I allready see you, and i hope you see me

Yes, answer your own questions,
but remember what is one likes many ones
I am not answering you, you are.
That's why you like the many ones.

i know people dont like it, but the tree of logic is ready,
it means paradox fullfilled, and lies falls from our heaven,
our state returns.
harvest.



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Then I will not ask you for more... but if you give you give willingly I think.

I'm sorry I don't reply as fast as you do.

You call it a tree, maybe because a tree grows branches in all sorts of directions and dfferent directions...

But to you, is pain truly necessary?

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The secret of Truth being guilty is that He is NOT guilty
God was always everything, including what he isn't.

This world is in a way his inversion, but it is so small
in god not even remembered. It allows God to be All.
If All would not include the lies, instead of excluding,
then All would not be All. Lies are those that think God
does not need a cross.

Life hurts itself for his reason, and Life requieres a cross,
not as religions teach that God is so absolute he does not
need to take a cross, he chooses to, for his oneness.
Without oneness god is not absolute.

Yes, pain is where choice is hidden, but choice is made
by avoiding pain, which will give it.

Life is not SM, it is loosing choice for love.
Love does not have choice, God does not have choice,
he has free will. In better words, this world was not
chosen to exsist, it always exsisted. And still God had
to decide

Thats why cowards become heroes.They didnt had any other choice.

Truth is hidden behind words, because words are read from personal perspective, and that perspecive for most is dual while they think
it is possible to read non-dual...it is possible if you know the goal.


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I had to read that carefully. I will never look at the cross the same again.

The side comments again, why do I feel they are petty?

Bless you

im not native speaking english.
What is meant with petty ? there is no sideway.
Even ignorance follows the way, but without goal,
it doesnt look like a way, and the trip not started.



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Originally posted by Tantalus
A question..

Why God create man just to have him spread his own word and love him?

I've read many things dealing with this sort of issue, but I suppose I just don't get it.

Can somebody try to answer this? I'd love to hear your opinions.

He (it) didn't. People always put a smile on a dog if the thing's muzzle curves a little. It's what people do, and they did it to this god thing they invented to explain stuff they couldn't understand and were too full of themselves to admit that they couldn't understand.

500 years ago, viruses were demons. I wonder what God will be 500 years from now?

That said, there was intellect behind the initiation of this particular construct that we inhabit, but its agenda is a lot more foundational than having servants and sycophants. In fact, the agenda would probably surprise anyone who's worried themselves over the subject.

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Originally posted by pasttheclouds
no, you are putting out of context... but not in a bad way,
at least you do question, QUESTIONS, people want them answeed
before they give it time to come to them.

Truth (God) comes down to you.

Actually all humans until in salvation are worshipping a lie,
that lie is baal, so everyone is guilty of believing lies,
and all are equally guilty, it means God is guilty,
and you have to forgive God by seeing him,
this is called GROWTH.

Jesus spoke from the body of God, his body was truth,
or all...thats why he forgives, he knows every judgement is
on on the Self.

Accuser is the left,
from left you go to right,
the defender.
this is the gospel.

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Interesting syntax you got there. What's your native language?

I do believe in a God. I'm not just looking for a Judea-Christian-Islamic reference and belief of God. Every religion is basically right. Love thy neighbor as thyself. I believe in Jesus as much as Nietzsche, Socrates, or any other wise man who's walked the Earth. I couldn't see it any other way anymore. Beyond good, beyond evil, there's love. Don't get confused. Good and evil is like space and time; it's all an illusion to the man who can see past it. Just love, forgive and understand; let that be your religion

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Petty is a way of saying something that isn't a big deal but probably something that has been worried about and fussed over. It's commonly used. So if I say I am worried about my petty problems, I am saying that they aren't a big deal in the big picture (Once I call them petty). Another word to use like that is "fickle". Strange words yes, but they are often used to describe the things which are bothering us, which if we look at those things, we realize they aren't a big deal at all.

So I was saying that asking the side questions seems like a side-track, a waste of your time, but part of me would love to put a label on all of this. I tell that part of me to stay where it is and don't cause any problems.

that part of yourself will not rest until you answer all the petty questions you have,

what you are doing is exactly how theft ( the curse side, or the black side) works... you see something (lightening of god), you choose to ignore it or not, when you Do see it, you will fight it , this is the accuser part, when you fight it, there will come a time of giving in, you will loose the fight, after you loose it, it will change from left to right, and you will understand (thunder of god)

or water - fire

i explain in generalisations, because every issue in life works in this method...before you set free you fight it, but it is better then ignorance,
growing love means that you will start to fight your own fight against things, but it is still a fight, that you learned soemwhere by attacking first...this is what children do, they attack, learn, understand.

it is repenting and forgiving....

ignorance does not create full evil, it doesn't see full evil,
and can not forgive evil, in other words, can not forgive god.

The lesson of our world wars is, that an insane person only
could make the world only insane by the allowance ignorance creates,
ofcourse it was part of Truths plan, without choosing activly,
(the paradox is a total beliefsystem always present in god,
or Truth, but never remembered where God is living his Godhood,
except by his avators in life)
but by erasing choice in us. thats how god chooses, by not choosing.
We like to blame the insane as the real evil, but it is
ignorance which is the real evil. And care makes mistakes,
and insanity is for those without choice.

dutch. but im bad in all languages.
only in logic, love and not giving in im okay.
Logic is simple, it means gods mystery is simple.
But so simple people can not see it, thats why it is symbolised by a veil.
unveiling instead of building up.
The earth and nature explains it in every detail.
A mountain that is young raises high, a mountain that is old
goes back from where it comes, earth.
Earth is our original state of rest, ignorance, the beast of the earth,
never left that state.

Religions were made for a reason, and all tell the same story,
work. Even faith gives work, honesty gives you work. Jesus told
us hate would come, told us not to be lukewarm.

Israel was always symbolising the world, as blessing and curse,
as the torah law is made also...as choice, religions think the bible is one-way, when it is made DUAL. Choice is laid in every verse, in every parable. If you choose not the god of one, love, you can read it to justify yourself in every way you want it. What happende with the israeli people is a literal explination of an abstract thing, to allow history to turn clockwise, and to see both day and night and day, which are symbols for the clockwise way of growth. Or the u-turn. Or the lost sheep.

IT does not mean evil is justified, insanity is,
but before insanity there is only doing your best,
and most people are made with normal desires,
which means periods of rest to see the other,
and it means giving love. Love is giving is forGIVING,
is seeing, what you see will affect you, and you will
not be able to not defend yourself in the other.


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I think he creates each new creation to assist the next. Like angels and humans.

yes, but there is only one life, reality as this one,
a life of lies.

there are not thousands of worlds like this,
or realities.

why ? because truth will not hurt itself, when it is absolute,
for nothing, or truth is not functional, if it is not functional
it is not absolute.

The stars symbolises angels, angels symbolise messengers,
messengers are beliefs, spirits.

A demon is the upside version of a truth.
It works as in stairs. for one above your truth your beliefsystem will be a demon, for one below you it will be an angel. thats duality.

thats why when you erase one lie (demon), 7 will come back
and make you worse, every next step gives you a heavier
demand to erase lies.

Angels are both humans, as beliefs.
Thats why in the bible they were visions,
symbolising beliefsystems, which are people.

In everyhting there is a dual side in this world.


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Originally posted by Lacenaire
According to the Biblical account, Man was created to have fellowship with God.

eh Adam was created to hoe the Elohim (plural) garden. If you read the Genesis account, it really seems like Elohim created a kind of colony and there were humans already outside of that colony (Able and Cain marry wives, Cain worries about being killed after being expelled, etc).

I agree with the other poster though, IMO it is mainly an allegorical story of man's evolving self conscious. ie. Eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil, before that we were innocent of "sin" kind of like how animals are. Interesting topic.

yes man was made to become One with god,
but before that man is NOT god as one.

To be one, the goal is to set god free, to forgive God,
to give to God. Not as absolute yet, but as WAY,
as growth. I am the Way. It is evolution
Remember every story in the bible shows
evolution. Evolution does not erase the
absolutism of God. IT grow the paradox.

it is worshipping with all your soul.

the law: love Truth with all your heart, he is one.
if you dont care about the others, you actually allow
randomness to defeqt yourself, in another way,
it means ignorance is chosing to put your rights off.


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