Do you honestly not think this is a nude image?

Originally posted by woodwytch
reply to post by Chett

 

If it were down to you, what would you do to make air travel safe(r) from terrorists if not the scanner ? (serious question).

What terrorists are you referring to?

Surely you do not mean the stream of patsies that has been presented to us over the past 8 years....

Name one terrorist who was convicted of terrorism in the USA and who was not being tortured or funded or handled by our own government.

And why did you falsify a quote earlier? Were you just mistaken? (serious question)




[edit on 8-1-2010 by Exuberant1]

Remember Airplane? That was a joke! 1980!

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System gave no alert:
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System gave alert:
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reply to post by Exuberant1


Ok I see where you're going with this so let me put it a little more simply for you.


If 'YOU' were in charge ... what would 'YOU' do to stop 'ANYONE' getting on a plane with weapons and/or explosives.

What method of detection would 'YOU' use to deter the possibility ... other than the full body scanner ?

Woody

reply to post by cushycrux


I bet that terrorists would not try to take over an airplane with armed passengers.

I bet they would not even try.

*Combine that with a list of terrorist countries from which passengers are more closely checked, and Hijackings would be a even more rare than they are already.

...But everyone knows real terrorists attack places other than airplanes. In the US for the past 8 years, it is airplanes only as far as ”terrorist attacks” are concerned - everywhere else is merely subjected to ”terrorist plots” (thought crimes, usually with coaxing from our own government).

reply to post by Exuberant1


Who the fuque are you to judge people like that?

Do you really think that high of yourself? Do you really think you are that smart?


You aren't, and your lack of respect for others people *valid* opinion is outrageous. You're just an idiot with a PC, that actually has the freedom to use Internet, to come to a conspiracy forum (mostly closely guarded by some sort of agency) cry about a scanner that is supposed to make your life safer, when everything ELSE in your life is wide open to some agent, somewhere, have a laugh at.


Seriously, have people become this dumb?

I'm a airliner pilot, and sometimes, reading this kind of mouth garbage gives the wish to actually give up.

DO YOU PEOPLE REALIZE HOW HARD WE WORK TO MAKE YOUR FLIGHTS SAFE?

You come here, to your conspiracy forum, "stating your opinion" (AKA, being an idiot, pretending to be saying something useful to the world, disguised of an """"opinion""""), trying to convince yourself that your are superior, that you have more knowledge and wisdom about life than everyone else, and YOU DON'T!!

People whining about nude pictures in a scanner... "I want my freedom...this is child pornography....this is an abuse to my rights!"..

HEY, EVERYONE, REALITY CHECK!

EVERY SINGLE DAY thousands of Kg's of drugs get into your country because we can't stop them passing through the system, mostly when the passengers have them with them. They are always one step ahead, and sometimes, we missed them.

THOSE are the same people that put drugs in your area, that make crime rise.
THOSE are the same people whos smuggling get you thinking about your child safety when crossing the road to get a simple candy.
THOSE are the same people that make the governament spend billions on police forces and special units trying to stop this drug madness that destroys ANYTHING it touches!

And YOU are the same people who go into the news complaining about all this, about how unsafe the world is, about how endangered your life is, how everyone must act to make you and your family safe...


AND GUESS WHAT, WE (the airport idiots according to most of you) TRY HARD TO GET YOU HOME, to get you to your loved ones!

Do you know which is the worst psychological asset in a pilots brain? The fact "I've families, children and good persons in my aircraft, and I can't make a mistake".

And you people take EVERYTHING for granted... EVERYTHING for easy....

AND IT ISN'T! It's hard to miss MY family in the holidays, in Christmas, in the new year, so I can take YOU to YOUR family in SAFETY!

I have to go through all this security checks, in the airport, in the boarding tunnel, in the personnels lounge, in the aircraft....... Do you think a picture bothers me? And I'm the pilot, so there is only two of us, its easy for the security guard to know its me.

But he is 500 meters away in a security room, with no vision to who enters or leaves the scanner... Each scan has a serial number imprinted in it so it can't be used for any other objective, and if it is, it can be traced back to the origin.

Your freedom is taken away EVERYDAY in every single way you can think of, and most of them you can't even noticed...

YET, something to make you arrive home alive with a much smaller margin of possibility for something terribly wrong to happen, has this type of comments about it.


Disgust you? Really?

Does it disgust you the hours I miss my kid? The will that I have, during a long flight, to hold her and take care of her while she is sick, and I'm taking some smartass tourists for a ride?

Does it disgust you the after-hour work that we do, so everything is ready in time for your pleasure ride? So you can get to your family while we can't, because we are WORKING to take you safely home?

Does it disgust you the crying for the lifes of those who died in a bombing because we simply couldn't seen the bomb?

...seriously, does it disgust you, all the people that put their lifes on the line, to make you CONFORTABLE, without you even knowing?

People who can't remember what pilots and all the other personnel endure for you baby to get home....those are the people who disgust me.

People that rather support terrorism saying "I rather be in a aircraft that blows up in a false flag" than respecting others people LIFES, disgust me.

People who rather be an idiot, keep the loop in an outdated system, instead of improving things, because you think you know how things work.

Let me make you realize one thing.... The moment you step inside an airport, YOU DON'T HAVE PRIVACY, LIKE IT OR NOT!

Your name is registered, you're on security cameras (some of them with thermal), dogs smell your stuff, X-ray examines ALL of your stuff, your background is checked.

...all this without you even knowing, while you think of false flag ops, and footprints on the Moon.


This is just a tool! In which the guard looking at the screen can't see who is entering it, because he is HALF A AIRPORT AWAY, and every scan has a serial number in it.

Sure, go ahead and keep thinking that its this scanner that is going to take your privacy away. Its just a "nude" picture of someone who is going to take your freedom away.

You geniuses keep thinking like that. Just don't complain when your REAL freedom is taken away without you even noticing it.

Get a f... life and start respecting other peoples lifes and work.

Here's some good points collected from first 10 pages:

_Phoenix_

It's about the fact that goverment has steeped so low with their terrorism bs, and we just bend over and accept it.
What's next? This is just the perfect example of what the MEDIA has done with their propaganda and fear mongering to control us all.
My main worry is, that this is possibly just a small step to many more stupid rules. And the more people who have the state of mind to say," Whats the big deal? " the easier it will be for the goverment to take away ALL our free will.
You tell someone that they are going to have to take their clothes off and get pictures taken if they want to get the office job. And every job now requires this.
Now I know what your saying, you still have a choice. But the fact is, these kind of laws "forces" you to GIVE UP your freewill. Because if you don't you won't be able to survive in this world.

alaskan

These aren't going to stop at airports, the people pushing them have been saying for years that they want to put them everywhere where "security" is an "issue."
Football stadiums, courthouses, amusement parks, the post office, state borders, and on and on and on...
How many thousands of people said it was crazy to think that cell phone text messages would be kept?
How many times were we told our email archives wouldn't be sold?

patmac

Purplemer, please U2U me some naked pictures of yourself. You clearly don't care that people have them. So, after I'm done looking at them, I'm just going to send them to your co-workers. I'm sure that you still won't mind, you're that comfortable with your body. Who else can I send them to?
...
Planned airport scanners would not have detected bomber's explosives.

genius/idoit

- ADMIN EDIT: images removed as they violate our no nudity policy.
Say's it all

LifENcircleS

I fly to and from NYC to Moscow 5 times a year and am personally happy to know that steps have been taken to absolutely 100% 95% assure noone can board a plane with anything dangerous.

Frogs

Wouldn't we be safer if everyone just had to be naked in order to board a plane?
Wait a second - wouldn't they arrest us all if we tried that?

Ben Franklin

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, Liberty is a well armed sheep disputing that vote.

Marid Audran

Well, Muslims will find it an affront and not have to go through it, just everyone else.

I myself doubt something like this would be enforced but nothing would surprise me anymore. Also, whatever the reason for it is - it certainly isn't for "preventing the terrorists", saying that is a serious insult to intelligence.

reply to post by _Phoenix_


Are yo saying that you believe the next step is to bring security features at an airport pre-boarding into the home? How ludicrous! I for one welcome the idea that someone wishing to do harm to hundreds of people will have been checked prior to getting on the plane.

Would you rather everyone be strip searched physically? It's time to put some real perspective on the issue.... No ones privacy will be at risk. The only people who should fear this technology are those that are trying to hide something.

reply to post by woodwytch


Why the obsession with Airplane terrorists?

Real terrorists attack places other than those associated with airplanes...

You are quickly running out of credibility here. You have already been caught being dishonest (I have a screen shot) insofar as your willingness to falsify a quote. You also refuse to answer any questions asked of you -except with more questions. You tend to answer questions with questions.

I will let the other members be the judge of the extent and intent of this tendency of yours.




Edit for,

Neat tidbit:

The Christmas Day bombing attempt was a stark reminder that the U.S. government couldn’t care less about stopping real terrorists. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had no passport, he was on a terror watch list, and his own father had tried to warn U.S. intelligence beforehand that he was a threat. And yet he walked right on board, aided by a well-dressed Indian man who has since disappeared with the FBI seemingly engaged in a cover-up to protect his identity.

Paul Joseph Watson

[edit on 8-1-2010 by Exuberant1]

Originally posted by LifENcircleS
I would be worried about pedophiles and other sexual predators looking in on these pictures

I agree. I can imagine someone, at some point, who has some kind of "illness" or urges to commit sexual crimes being triggered or "led on" by watching these images. This could also be akin to looking at pornography... Seeing these images, over and over, day to day would undoubtedly cause recurring sexual thoughts in some people.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by trollz]

I really don't understand the opposition to these scanners. It's about as unconstitutional as the conventional baggage scanners, and metal detectors that are widespread at American airports today. Furthermore, it is the passenger that decides to walk through these things, it is not forced on anyone. It's similar to this website really, it has its own set of Terms and Conditions, just like flying does. If you don't like it, simple. Do not step on an aircraft. It is entirely reasonable to offer an extra level of protection at airports - no it won't stop everything, but it will help, and it is highly probable that many people will be caught red-handed with these machines.

It does not conform to the definition of child porn.

Creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire

Google.

Or, you set up safeguards like they have in Canada, or similar to what Revolution 2012 suggested.

[edit on 8/1/2010 by C0bzz]

reply to post by Tifozi


The voice of reason and sensibility ... and the best post I've ever read on this site ... and trust me I have read quite a few.

Don't be too hard on the threads self proclaimed 'champion debater' though ... from the tone of the posts I'm guessing that's maybe a school debating team.

Woody.

reply to post by Tifozi


Full-body scanners can't detect new bomb:
www.news.com.au...

Are planned airport scanners just a scam?:
www.independent.co.uk...

Full-Body Scanners at Airports: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
www.fastcompany.com...

Heathrow's new scanners 'not good enough to detect plastics:
www.thisislondon.co.uk...

And I feel very sorry for your feelings and fears.

Originally posted by cushycrux
reply to post by Tifozi

 

Full-body scanners can't detect new bomb:
www.news.com.au...

Are planned airport scanners just a scam?:
www.independent.co.uk...

Full-Body Scanners at Airports: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
www.fastcompany.com...

Heathrow's new scanners 'not good enough to detect plastics:
www.thisislondon.co.uk...

And I feel very sorry for your feelings and fears.

Do you have any studies justifying your views... e.g. the machines are entirely useless. Because let's be real today, the MSM is horribly inaccurate and I could probably come up with links showing how great they are.

[edit on 8/1/2010 by C0bzz]

In my opinion, that is most certainly a nude image.

I must confess that while I as always respect the views of everyone here, I am a bit surprised and dismayed to see some people suggest that this does not constitute an invasion of privacy simply because other means of travel exist. Some people have to fly frequently for work related reasons.

Imagine being a parent and knowing that someone is looking at your child in the nude. No one has to agree with me of course, and I would never attack you or your opinion for not doing so. I just personally regard this as an enormous violation and invasion of privacy. Surely science and technology can devise a means of seeing through our clothing without seeing our bodies.

[edit on 1/8/2010 by AceWombat04]

reply to post by C0bzz


The AAAP and the former CEO of American airlines think they are a waste of resources...
(Not that you care what people with experience and relevant knowledge think. )

“It takes real political maturity to remain calm and not fall into the trap of knee jerk reactions such as imposition of new security measures,” it says.

AAPA warns against use of full body scanners



Fmr. CEO of American Airlines Calls Full-Body Scanners in Airports a ‘Waste of Resources’






[edit on 8-1-2010 by Exuberant1]

I must confess that while I as always respect the views of everyone here, I am a bit surprised and dismayed to see some people suggest that this does not constitute an invasion of privacy simply because other means of travel exist. Some people have to fly frequently for work related reasons.

Imagine being a parent and knowing that someone is looking at your child in the nude

Generally children do not fly for business reasons.

reply to post by cushycrux


Okay then!

Lets just NOT improve safety. BTW, since we can't detect bombs with cameras all the time, and neither with dogs, or even the guards, take them all away! Privacy factor!


...that will make air travel really safe.



You know what people should know? What kind of data people should have on their hand, and sadly, they don't?

How many times A DAY terrorists, drug smugglers and all that junk, are stopped. DAILY.


Because you read in the news, in some months, that someone tried to do something.

Well, you have NO IDEA the times we delay the flight for security reasons. We just don't tell anyone about it, so we keep an edge over those people.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Do you know why?

Because the President of a PASSENGER company, doesn't want his CLIENTS to avoid flying.

Its like a car maker saying they are going to stop putting airbags in cars because there are rumors around that people don't like them.

Guess you didn't figured that out.

Originally posted by patmac
You guys are missing the point entirely. What kind of response is this?

If you are a woman get a boob job and if you are a man get a penis enlargement then you wouldnt feel so bad going through one of those body scanners........

and this

How prude is our society to think that is offensive? Most places in the world are mature enough to handle a real nude body and would laugh at a computer generated blue body being considered as offensive.

1.) There is a huge difference between taking your clothes off in front of someone through your own free will.
2.) Then there's another thing to actually pose naked in front of the camera.
3.) Then it's another thing to show the images to other people and strangers.
4.) It's even another thing to publish them online for everyone to see, for profit or not.

It's your body, you can choose to do any of those things as you see fit.

HOWEVER, when you have no choice but to submit to 1-3 because you want to TRAVEL is an absurd violation. And the 4th item is just BOUND to happen. Why the hell do you think dead celeb pictures show up online? Chris Farley for instance. What makes us think that naked photos will elude the grasps of SIMPLETON SECURITY GUARDS who aren't under any specific guidelines at the end of the day.

Not to mention the children walking through this thing. Come on. Where are your morals here?

absolutely...imagine 10 years ago someone at the airport saying to you if you:

'hello sir...if you....your wife and children wouldnt mind standing up against that wall and taking all your clothes off so we can a nude picture of you and keep in stored forever...you may then board the plane..have a nice day'

what would these people say who are saying this is all nothing?..would they say of course..no problem'..or would they say sod this and go home?

and what next..on train stations..buses...shopping malls..schools?

if we dont stop this now do people REALLY believe it will stop at this?

of course not...

people have been acclimatised to this...theres no other explanation...and they need to wake up..

[edit on 8-1-2010 by alienesque]

Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by alaskan

 

You delete the image that you played around with the colors because that is not relevant to your argument. They wont be doing that to images, they will just be looking at the top ones you showed.

How prude is our society to think that is offensive? Most places in the world are mature enough to handle a real nude body and would laugh at a computer generated blue body being considered as offensive.

The people looking at these will also not be in the same area as the people from what I read. I have no problem with myself or a loved one going through these because I have nothing to hide. In fact I will smile for the camera as they get a view of me.

And just HOW do you know they will not be inverting images of the human form, get a grip buddy, they use inverter technology already on Bag x-ray machines. you need to get out and travel thru airports a bit more me thinks.

These machines are for Govt safety not the publics. when TSHTF the last thing the PTB want is organised groups of pissed off citizens travelling accross country to organized rallies etc with anything in their pocket other than a toothbrush.

see it for what it is, nothing to do with anti terrorism, it is anti citizen end of.

PEACE,
RK