ATTENTION Patriots / Birthers / Teabaggers / Whomever - If you did get your Revolution, Then What?

Originally posted by whatukno
Whats funny is, you don't have to rely on these guys to know what would happen if they got their revolution, all you would have to do is read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich to figure it out. Because that is exactly what would happen and what these revolutionaries really want.

So, if they get their revolution, well, just know that the ethnic cleansing won't be far behind.

It will start off innocently enough with loads of patriotic nationalism. Then the English only laws, followed by the Christian only laws, then people would be rounded up for "re education" then, well, I don't know if it would be the gas chambers or firing squads, but the point would be the "trouble" would be eradicated from the "perfect society" and the pure "American Master Race" would assume it's proper roll as rulers of the Earth.

So if these "Revolutionaries" decide to start their own little WWIII ill see you in Canada. Cause I for one am not going to go to a gas chamber thanks to someone who wants to shove their version of "freedom" & the "American Way" down my throat.



[edit on 1/2/2010 by whatukno]

Wukky! Are you SERIOUS????
What happened after the American revolution?
Did we kill everyone after that?
No, in fact religious tolerance actually took off and separation of church and state became government and (in many cases, individuals) mindset.
But, I guess many of you would rather have big government tell you what to do (because they may be democrat?)
and that's O.K.?

Originally posted by Lilitu
[You will not see the geek solder executing death upon you from behind a computer console thousands of miles away. You will not see where the JDAMs, Hellfire missles and MOABs are coming from. You will not see the robotic solders until it is too late. You will not see an enemy to take aim at. You will not know where to run.

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
If We the People deserve another chance and we are blessed by GOD...

We the People elected the current administration. Your imaginary friend cannot help you. There are no gods.

[edit on 2-1-2010 by Lilitu]

Wow, you have got some problems?
I guess a totalitarian, communistic N.W.O. is GREAT FOR YOU, huh????
They will reward your efforts for being a lap dog and give you riches from the dead, humans who tried to fight them?
SICK! (Also those who flagged you.)

reply to post by Clearskies


I too share his concern over those of differing opinions and views after this hypothetical revolution. True, the American revolution didn't give way to mass murder, but that can't be said for every noble revolution in the world, left or right.

reply to post by Clearskies

Wukky! Are you SERIOUS????

Yes I am.

What happened after the American revolution?
Did we kill everyone after that?
No, in fact religious tolerance actually took off and separation of church and state became government and (in many cases, individuals) mindset.

All you have to do is carefully read what these revolutionaries are wanting and you would see that religious intolerance is part and parcel to their cause. Many of them would love nothing more than to instill a Christian version of sharia law over the people.

But, I guess many of you would rather have big government tell you what to do (because they may be democrat?)
and that's O.K.?

I fail to see the difference between big government telling me what to do and these revolutionaries telling me what to do. Frankly to me it just looks the exact same except far less tolerance of anyone that looks or thinks differently than they do. They say they want individual freedom. But it's only individual freedom if you happen to think, look, or believe the same thing they do. If you happen to be of a different religion, or look different than they do the writing is on the wall for you and all you have to look forward to is a mass grave.

reply to post by whatukno


I'm not part of an organized tea party, (I don't even KNOW what a 'birther' is)
So, I don't even KNOW what all of them are saying.
All I know is I've been a LIbertarian(INDEPENDENT) since 2005!!!
I KNOW what many of them think. and it's not slavery, religious dictatorship or internment camps for free-thinkers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by whatukno
Whats funny is, you don't have to rely on these guys to know what would happen if they got their revolution, all you would have to do is read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich to figure it out. Because that is exactly what would happen and what these revolutionaries really want.

So, if they get their revolution, well, just know that the ethnic cleansing won't be far behind.

It will start off innocently enough with loads of patriotic nationalism. Then the English only laws, followed by the Christian only laws, then people would be rounded up for "re education" then, well, I don't know if it would be the gas chambers or firing squads, but the point would be the "trouble" would be eradicated from the "perfect society" and the pure "American Master Race" would assume it's proper roll as rulers of the Earth.

So if these "Revolutionaries" decide to start their own little WWIII ill see you in Canada. Cause I for one am not going to go to a gas chamber thanks to someone who wants to shove their version of "freedom" & the "American Way" down my throat.



[edit on 1/2/2010 by whatukno]

Again with the straw men arguments.

First off you are talking to a former neo-nazi here. I am painfully familiar with the side effects of nationalism and ethnic-superiority complexes, more so that you will ever be with your spoon fed news media. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Argue the merits of the post. Display some independent thinking. So far all i have heard out of your mouth is leftist propaganda that cites right wing propaganda.

We do not want Democide or Genocide. We want a goddamned government where two gay guys can get married and not have to worry about some special interest groups to try to combat it and in turn new taxes be developed specificially for it. We want a government where the population actually gets a say in who we go to war with and to prevent us from getting involved in wars to begin with. I want a government where i can come home from work

If the revolution happens there will be no gas chambers because the general populace is NOT THE TARGET. In fact some of us revolutionaries were just arguing with other "revolutionaries" as to why a religion based government is not a good idea BUT YOU IGNORED THAT. We would not target people solely because they are democrats or republicans.

Again i am going to make this loud and clear.


We are targeting the US government.

Not Blacks
Not foreigners
Not just democrats

THE US GOVERNMENT AS A WHOLE.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

reply to post by whatukno


I believe your whole supposition in this comment is either

1) Delusional

2) Purposefully being fallacious because of a different agenda.

I believe you are afraid of the absolute Responsibility you will be required to do without your governmental support system to back you up.

And that was being nice.

You keep collectively grouping us into a perceived lie, that the government and others have cast on this movement.

I myself believe you falling more likely into category 2

Fear of course is a natural reaction to responsibility. Don't worry, you will be able to grow into your freedom. It only takes time, sometimes only 16-18 years nowadays.

But I guess for others it takes longer.

reply to post by DeathShield

Again i am going to make this loud and clear.


We are targeting the US government.

Not Blacks
Not foreigners
Not just democrats

THE US GOVERNMENT AS A WHOLE.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

Because the government is just an idea. It's just an ideology, it's the people that you will be killing that worries me. Those people are Americans.

People fire weapons, not the government.

Americans against Americans. Not a fight I want to be any part of.

These people want to instill their version of what freedom means to them. But if my version of freedom contradicts their version of freedom guess where I stand in their eyes?

Overthrowing what they see as a tyrannical government just to instill a more tyrannical government does not sound like a great idea to me.

Originally posted by whatukno


I fail to see the difference between big government telling me what to do and these revolutionaries telling me what to do. Frankly to me it just looks the exact same except far less tolerance of anyone that looks or thinks differently than they do. They say they want individual freedom. But it's only individual freedom if you happen to think, look, or believe the same thing they do. If you happen to be of a different religion, or look different than they do the writing is on the wall for you and all you have to look forward to is a mass grave.

If this is true then why is a mixed breed jew ( which is ME FYI) who supports gay rights, cannabis legalization, sensible gun laws, and is friends with many muslims, christians, blacks and costa ricans a member of this movement and not only that but how is it that i wasn't lynched when i attended a tax day protest?

reply to post by whatukno


What IS your idea of freedom????
What are any of you 'teabagger'-haters idea of freedom?

The progressives are afraid we will see many more posts like this one they are a whiny bunch. And actually need to reassured over and over again this is what happens when you have a paper a**. I am glad Obama was elected he has polarized the whole of America. It needed to be done it is much easier to see the truth now and also to see your enemies.

The progressive and European mindset is based in fear they rule using it and the people they rule over are filled with it. The sides are being drawn the pubs and local meeting areas of old have given way to the Internet.


Also don't trust them how do you know the person writing this crap is not just a paid poster trying to sway the viewpoint see the truth it is right in you own backyard. No matter what they say trust you heart and know you are not alone.

[edit on 2-1-2010 by Subjective Truth]

reply to post by whatukno


You still discount those that have laid out ideas and debate about bringing forth and breaking chains. Instead you fight the good fight of labeling people willfully because you see not what they are saying.

Can you overlook the idiots? Seems not as they have gotten under your skin and you have now focused your energy to two different threads regarding that.

So the question has been asked and your only response has been to clump and categorize everyone posting here as tyrannical dictators that wish to impose slavery and take away your freedoms.

Not all are as you wish to paint with that broad brush of yours.

reply to post by whatukno


Yes you are right they are americans and as such they are subject to the same exact rights as the revolutionaries or anyone else. What you fail to understand is that killing them IS NOT the preferred option. The only reason they would be killed is if they fired upon us (which is why we do not fire unless fired upon and even when we fire preservation of the attackers life is priority so that they can be properly arraigned) or used violence to resist arrest or relief of duties. They are subject to a fair trial just like any other person for their crimes against this nation.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
The progressives are afraid we will see many more posts like this one they are a whiny bunch. And actually need to reassured over and over again this is what happens when you have a paper a**. I am glad Obama was elected he has polarized the whole of America. It needed to be done it is much easier to see the truth now and also to see your enemies.

The progressive and European mindset is based in fear they rule using it and the people they rule over are filled with it. The sides are being drawn the pubs and local meeting areas of old have given way to the Internet.


Also don't trust them how do you know the person writing this crap is not just a paid poster trying to sway the viewpoint see the truth it is right in you own backyard. No matter what they say trust you heart and know you are not alone.

[edit on 2-1-2010 by Subjective Truth]

Your moniker is very accurate
Fact is when oppinuendo is concerned: All sides are whiney.
During Bushs tenure: The left was whiney because of complaining on things they felt were unjust. The right was whiney because they felt slandered.

Now under the Obamas tenure: The right wing is whiney because of complaining on things they felt unjust while the left is playing the victim.

America has been extremely polarized for decades if not centuries. That's called having political parties. Opinions diametrically opposed = polarization.

I dare say Bush was far more of a polarizer than Obama-who is near crippled from trying to placate all the sides on every issue resulting in very slow progress and capitulations on important items.

As for "Progressives and Europeans" ruling by fear... where have you been?
Red Scare in the cold war? Iran? Iraq? Terrorists? Evil gays trying to destroy everyones sacred marriage? All these things were generated as right wing arguments. On fox news it is almost always a slippery slope argument on any and all news items.

The Lefties are either bleeding heart socialist or fear-mongering fascists, need to pick on that one since they are pretty much mutually exclusive.

reply to post by Clearskies

What IS your idea of freedom????

Honestly, I have no idea what freedom is, I haven't been free for a long time. (If any of you want to know what real oppression is by the US government ask me, ill give you the details.)

All I do know is that what these people are proposing is not freedom, it's just tyranny in another form.

reply to post by endisnighe


Let's look at your idea of Freedom

Institute a time type regulation of the stock market. No multiple trading of the same stock on the same day type thing. No mass manipulation of stocks like the Goldman Sachs computer software allowed even near the stock market.

So financial freedom is out the window for your idea of freedom.

All assets of the Federal Reserve and any and all banks and individuals that have stolen money from the American People (e.g. Paulson with his sale of GS stock at a value of $300 million) to be used to pay off as much of the debt as possible.

Again, financial freedom, out the window.

All future immigration will be only allowed as placement for employment. If unemployment is high, no immigration will be allowed.

And so, we tear off that plaque from the statue of liberty, ""Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."

Fear of course is a natural reaction to responsibility. Don't worry, you will be able to grow into your freedom. It only takes time, sometimes only 16-18 years nowadays.

Let's see, I have been completely responsible for my own welfare and wellbeing from when I was 17. I have never taken welfare, and I work a full time job, I pay taxes, and half of my income goes to child support. So exactly what responsibility am I fearing?

What I fear is that the limited amount of freedom I do have will be taken away by revolutionaries that object to what they see as a tyrannical government. The people that support this idea don't want freedom, they want a bloodbath, and they don't care who they shoot as long as people die.

Your idea of freedom scares the hell out of me because to me that isn't freedom. That's tyranny just in another form.






[edit on 1/2/2010 by whatukno]

reply to post by whatukno


This is going to sound Orwellian but...

Freedom is limitation.

Hypothetically: We are free because the government's limitations on what they can do. Crimes are (supposed to be) crimes because they inhibit freedoms of others. Such as Murder, Rape, Theft/fraud. Actions that lead to harming another through neglect etc.. Mind you I am talking core concept of what crime is, not specifics of whether a crime is really justly prohibited or correctly carried out.

You are supposed to be free because I am prohibited from oppressing you on any field.
Likewise: I hold 'freedom' because you cannot oppress me.

The danger of Government is it will always seek more power. In this case more power means less limitations and restrictions on action. Power as the cliche says: leads to corruption.

Man the selective reading by some posters is like dealing with my two children. I believe Endisnighe is capable of rebutting your points, but I will point out in the thread you are referring to the call was made to bring forth a discussion in regards to those points and clearly wanted to hear from all sides......yet again...selective reading and attack.

Originally posted by whatukno

Honestly, I have no idea what freedom is, I haven't been free for a long time. (If any of you want to know what real oppression is by the US government ask me, ill give you the details.)

I've been arrested for carrying a bag of plants, and have been harassed by cops for half my life. I am familiar with oppression. After the patriot act was passed things got REALLY bad in my town with police harassment .

[edit on 2-1-2010 by DeathShield]

reply to post by lordtyp0


I respectfully disagree the fear that has been put into all of us by the left and the right. If it was Bush in office right now I would be saying it about him I am on no political side I stand for freedom and liberty that is all. And the promises both sides have made to me to fill my liberty cup have been nothing but a lie. We have a good system just very bad people running it they have learned how to manipulate it and twist it. All we need to do is point out the cracks and keep voting and protesting until the are filled this is the way back to a republic not civil war!!!!!

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
reply to post by lordtyp0

 

I respectfully disagree the fear that has been put into all of us by the left and the right. If it was Bush in office right now I would be saying it about him I am on no political side I stand for freedom and liberty that is all. And the promises both sides have made to me to fill my liberty cup have been nothing but a lie. We have a good system just very bad people running it they have learned how to manipulate it and twist it. All we need to do is point out the cracks and keep voting and protesting until the are filled this is the way back to a republic not civil war!!!!!

AHA, then there is no reason to disagree respectful or not, cause we are 100% on the same page

But, please be careful of generalizations and buzzwords. I know it's insanely difficult in topics like this. But: Progressives are not the boogey man. Liberals are not, Conservatives are not: It's human nature. Power for the sake of power.

The most it seems people can hope for is some degree of sanity in the rhetoric allowing things to keep going.