Sharp-dressed man aided terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without passport

Sharp-dressed man aided terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without passport

www.mlive.com

A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

Kurt Haskell of Newport, Mich., who posted an earlier comment about his experience, talked exclusively with MLive.com and confirmed he was on the flight by sending a picture of his boarding pass. He and his wife, Lori, were returning from a safari in Uganda when they boarded the NWA flight on Friday. Haskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab appr

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And the plot thickens. There is also a Reuters report stating that Dutch Military Police are investigating this potential accomplice. I wonder if we can ever have true security while flying to the United States when someone without a passport can board a plane abroad. Is this going to open the flood gates of some international power when it comes to airline security?

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We've already spent more than $70 billion or so building up airline security. The truth is, that if someone wants to kill innocent people, and is willing to kill himself in the process, there are more ways to get it done than there are to stopping it.

That is the problem with trying to fight against suicide bombers -- without any value for their own life, they have nothing worth negotiating over and nothing to lose.

There is never going to be a way to prevent all terror attacks from happening. The only thing I will say, is that I find it odd that they would continue to target airplanes. Cruise ships, trains, buses, etc. have almost no security.

Now is the time that we also have to start asking ourselves what kind of world we want to live in. What's next: strip searches? Complete x-ray machines? How on earth can you stop someone from concealing stuff in their underwear? Further, there's no way that this "terrorist watch list" encompasses all actual terrorists anyway. Next, they'll start using pirates or terrorists coming out of the remote areas of Africa. A lot of people there don't even have official birth certificates to begin with. I'd like to see how they are going to add those names to a watch list.

We are giving away our rights and freedoms all in the name of protecting us from terror. The more we do that, the more they win.

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I don't mind the X-ray scanners or the machine that checks for chemical traces of explosive materials as long as it get me through the line faster. I know people think it's an invasion of privacy but for me it's no big deal, again, as long as it's faster and more effective.

The real issue with this article is lax security abroad for airplanes coming to the US or other locations around the world.

How does one get on an airplane without a passport, when international traveling? Unless i dunno, they snuck up in the wheel area of the plane? snuck in cargo n baggage somehow? i mean, the only way internationaly traveling, you must have a passport to get on th plane* it sounds very much like like someone was either not paying attention, was that dumb they asked everyone else for thier passports except him..which would leave mr to belive, THEY, over in Nigeria, LEt him onbaord unpurpose then* thats the ONLY feesable way

This is pretty crazy. I think the CIA have been getting very sloppy lately. Probably under alot of stress from their masters.

Originally posted by badmoviefan
reply to post by lpowell0627

 

I don't mind the X-ray scanners or the machine that checks for chemical traces of explosive materials as long as it get me through the line faster. I know people think it's an invasion of privacy but for me it's no big deal, again, as long as it's faster and more effective.

And when they stop blowing up planes, but begin using terrorists already in the US -- what then? Want to be patted down, searched, and harassed every time you go into a building in NYC? Or LA? Or any city?

The problem with giving away your rights is that 1. you never get them back and 2. it only gets worse as people manage to evade that which was done in the name of security as well.

The real issue with this article is lax security abroad for airplanes coming to the US or other locations around the world.

That's actually not the real issue entirely. Yes, that's a component. And what do you recommend -- having US Military patrols at every airport that is departing to the US? Do you really think other countries care about our security as much as we do? And whom exactly is going to determine whether or not their airports pass muster? And what if they don't -- we turn the plane away? Tourism is a major economic staple for the US and should it disappear, so will our GDP.

The United States is already considered a police of the world. The last thing we need to is further extend our resources traveling the globe making sure everybody's airports are up to our standards of security. That is, of course, after we get our own security in order.

Security checkers have several things going against them. Lousy pay. Boring, tedious work. And the all-important political correctness and racial profiling. Do you know how many security checkers avoid anyone they think is Muslim or Arab simply because they don't want to be accused of profiling? I'm not saying they should be targeted, but avoiding them (or any particular race) does even more damage. One can not adhere to all of the rules of political correctness, freedoms, rights, right to privacy, et al. while at the same time strip seaching everyone, X-raying them, etc. There is no happy medium there. Lastly, what about Muslim women? It is against their religion to remove their garbs (no offense, I don't remember the proper term) and do you really think that it'll be that long before they figure out how to conceal something NOT detected by the walk-thru scanner? Oh wait, they already did.

On a final note, so OK....we go with your idea and we manage to secure our airports and everyone else's. There went a cool $50 billion or so. (For just us -- everyone else's bill would be in the trillions I'm certain)

Next up: ports, buses, subways, trains, elevators, buildings, churches, parking garages, schools, cruises, private planes, limos.....

This is just.. wow. This story is just completely out of this world.

This is how I read the story, (and how sloppy they are bound to get):

"A man said he tried to blow up plane. Sources say that he said Al-Qaeda told him to do it. He was muslim. Sources say he was a lonely man and that fits our profile. Our sources were his uncle who is very credible as a source because he is cool. People were very scared on the plane in which he said he tried to explode. Then all of the sudden the CIA said we are safe again so don't worry, please buy things and check out our new state of the art airport terminal scanners."

"PS: And I hope I get a good grade because I trieded really hard on wroting this story for school. Are there ne plot holes?"

"PSS: What are plot holez, because I can't remember what teacher said they was, during last class."

[edit on 29-12-2009 by SyphonX]

how does one get on a plane for international travel and get on the plane without a passport?

Perhaps we will find out more once we hear something from the suspect.

Oh wait

(CNN) -- The man who allegedly lit an explosive on board a U.S.-bound international flight deserves none of the constitutional protections afforded American citizens, a former top Bush administration official said Monday.

Tom Ridge, who served as secretary of the Department of Homeland Security from 2003 to 2005, made the comments on CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I take a look at this individual who has been charged criminally, does that mean he gets his Miranda warnings? The only information we get is if he volunteers it?" Ridge said. "He's not a citizen of this country. He's a terrorist, and I don't think he deserves the full range of protections of our criminal justice system embodied in the Constitution of the United States."

www.cnn.com...

Tell me
Anyone wonder if DHS will say only way to "regulate" airport security is if.... I don't know they nationalise it?
I mean they General Motors the airline industry?

[edit on 29-12-2009 by ModernAcademia]

This is a gigantic hole in the official story, and it barely gets any attention? Is this not a conspiracy site?

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
This is a gigantic hole in the official story, and it barely gets any attention? Is this not a conspiracy site?

Well, it's just such a ridiculous and arrogantly sloppy story, that it's hardly even worth speculation. It's, just complete BS... hard to theorize about anything at all. Don't mean to sound confrontational, but really.. this is just.. it speaks for itself, if nothing other than that.

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Oh well, then that's that.
Just because an eyewitness SAW this guy with the perp, we should just forget it and.....
Plz...... Give me a break.
TSA, FBI and all the alphabet organizations should DO THEIR JOB and find this guy!

reply to post by Clearskies


Find this guy?

This guy helped this other doof to get on the plane, hes def. one of us (CIA) IMO

[edit on 29-12-2009 by GreenBicMan]

Reading all this and seeing what some of the political reactions at this point are only leaves me wondering and pondering....

If all this is just another plot to get us the masses to go along with the introduction of body scanners where many where opposed to the idea now sudden they are all for it ;-)