Our Republic Is Broken, A Constitutional Army Requested

reply to post by Copperflower


Well I would hope our government was smart enough, or those who will be asked to murder in their name are smart enough, to understand, no country has ever survived long term when they used force of murder to keep the status quo. And just because I am not afraid to die, doesn't mean I have my bags packed. There are countless movements for freedom in the 20th Century alone that prove these concepts work. However, if anyone is going to stand before the public, stand before its government and claim what it does is wrong, then they had better get right with God, because there is a far greater chance you will die at the hands of another, then of old age. And I accept that possibility for Freedom!


--Charles Marcello

Is standing before the public a requirement for standing for freedom?

Isn't the best defense of our freedom to live decent lives?

And yes, I agree, faith in God is a crucial ingredient. He is not asking us to put ourselves in front of something that we know is a threat.

He says in Proverbs: A wise man hides himself in time of trouble. It takes real wisdom to know how to apply something like that, but it doesn't involve tempting God, or throwing your life away.

Hold society together by living your life, and being stable for those around you.

Isn't that how you really stand up to them? They can't stop you. It's a stronger position.

Peace to you. I commend your courage and convictions.

reply to post by Copperflower


I guess my only reply to your above quote is... If that were true, this country would have never been formed in the first place. To do nothing, in my eyes, means you accept the abuses being done to your country. To stand up and say no more, means you are willing to stand for those who are to afraid to do so.


I do not believe God wants us to bow down to any person or government that would abuse us or take away any our God given rights. That is what I believe, and that is why I plan to stand before this government and condemn its continued abuses against our Freedoms and our Constitution, come what may, that is what I plan to do.


--Charles Marcello

reply to post by littlebunny


To say that I do no more is a pretty big assumption. How could you possibly know that?

My words here prove I'm as involved as you at this point, and I'm not asking for volunteers to follow me anywhere or help me out.

I'm challenging you to learn how difficult it really is to keep a decent life going these days, so there's someone to help your fellow man when he needs it, or when a family member could use some help to tide them over.

You can have a revolution by keeping more of your money and spending it on things and people for truly significant reasons.

There are many ways to make a stand. I hope you discover them one day, and understand what I'm referring to. God bless you, friend.

Charles,

Let me know where you are giving your first speech...I'll be there.

I can't think of anything more worth fighting for then our freedom and our documents that preserve that freedom.

Without freedom we have nothing....I suggest any of you who want to try and extinquish the flames of freedom stand aside so you don't get burned.

The Red Blood is coming...believe me you can feel it in the air. I promise you when the MEN of this Country see innocent unarmed Americans lying in their own blood...THERE WILL BE NO TURNING BACK.

This is the only war worth fighting and dying for. I hope a peaceful revolution can mend the halls of Washington D.C. but I have my doubts...

reply to post by Copperflower


Copperflower what are you going on about now? When I said the word 'you', it was done in extremely general terms, and '...To say no more...' had nothing what so ever to do with you at all... it has to do with, standing up for our citizens and speaking for them, while condemning the federal governments abuses of our Freedoms and our Constitution.


And I hope you don't protest by saving money, that seems to me, to be absolutely ridiculous. What you described is hiding or pretending everything is fine as the house burns down around us. "Keep eating children everything is fine."


I don't know you, but I do know I have pretended long enough, I have bought into the lie long enough and I am so over it! Trust me, whether I do anything or not this country is going to go nuts when Congress forces their socialist BS onto this nation. And no amount of saving money in a jar is going to help any of us pretend after that. I don't even know what the hell it is you are talking about. I truly have no idea, with your because you're a mother some how you know best, to Russia is a perfect example of why we must do nothing. To the bible says do what our government demands... WHAT PURE NONSENSE!


Now, I completely expect that others see the world different then I do, and that people are going to disagree with where I am coming from. But to be asked to sit down when that is all I have done my whole life, truly annoys the crap out of me. And it should annoy the crap out of anyone who is sick of what our Government is doing to our Country. Now I thank you for your words, yet I respectfully disagree.


Take care my friend.


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 28-12-2009 by littlebunny]

Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by denynothing
It is still a republic governed by an olgiarchy dictatorship as the republic answers to the 13.

How is serving for 2 and 1/2 years an oligarchy dictatorship. There is no life term, not even close. People aren't asking to become a member of the Law of 13, they are being chosen the same way our Criminal Jury system selects people today. So YES, this country will always remain a Republic, with an added layer... where We The People oversee those who could ruin our country or destroy our freedoms.


--Charles Marcello

Look, I know you mean well, but the fact is, there is no more republic. In case you didn't notice, the so-called Supreme Court put Bush into office, against every basis of truth. That is because they are no longer serving the people by interpreting the constitution. Just like Bush said "It's nothing but a g-damn piece of paper."

The republic is already gone, and you have been following the carefully planned performances of a grand bit of theater. They are doing this to keep the masses at bay for as long as possible. All the states (except perhaps a few like Texas, Montana and Colorado) have sold out to the federal government, and the fed is controlled by the entities comprising the NWO... banking cartel, massive corporate interest, rogue government elements, and massive corruption at every level. Nearly everyone in government (of those who count) is on the take man... they are all playing their role, because they know what is coming down, and they want to survive, so they play along.

You think you must fight to prevent a take-over, and yet the take-over has already happened. There are no more "Citizens" of the states, but only "citizens" of the federal government, and these have been sold as surety and chattel to the creditors who truly own the good 'ol U.S. of A. This is history man, TRUE history, REAL history, and the history that is hidden from 90% of the people. We really do live in a Matrix, but it's not machines who are keeping us in a fantasy prison, it's a very elite group of our very own kind...

I know it's hard to swallow all this, and it's natural to want to stand up to aggressors... but if a cockroach tries to stand up to an elephant, that would be plain suicide, and that is exactly what we have here.

All it takes is a signature, a simple stroke of the pen, by the president and marshal law goes into effect, at which time all forms of government are suspended, and the president takes control of EVERYTHING... yes, EVERYTHING. At that time, there are no rights and very few privileges. Any attempt at violence or aggression will only end in certain death, and will not do a blessed thing to save something that is already destroyed.

I'm trying to spare you such a fate by helping you see that the best thing is to cooperate as best you can, try to stay alive, and then, at some point in the future, people will have a chance to bounce back. It has ALWAYS worked that way in the past for every group of oppressed people.

And don't think you can ever make a government that is impervious to this kind of thing. Even after this is over, and the people regain their freedoms, their children will eventually forget... just like the children of the founding fathers forgot... just like the sons of the WWI and WWII vets forgot. People ALWAYS get lazy and complacent in their luxury and ease. It is just the way of mankind my friend... we never really do change or learn, not for any long period of time. Whenever we let our guard down, there will always be somebody willing to jump in and take control, and these fellows now have become SUPER SMART, and have learned from their mistakes of past eras, and are now using every mechanism of psychological warfare against us, including mind-control, conditioning, political theater, and consumerism.

We will never be a match for them as long as we think that life is meant to be easy and luxurious, filled with bobbles, games, and entertainments. Life is a JUNGLE, even if that jungle is made of wood, leather, gold and diamond. These guys who have taken over the world have PATIENCE, TENACITY, ORGANIZATION, AGREEMENT, INTELLIGENCE, TECHNOLOGY, MONEY, and a ton of COURAGE... plus, they have one very important thing... they have US asking them to run things for us! Is there any wonder why things have gone the way they have gone?

"A wise man knows to run away so he can fight another day."

reply to post by peponastick


Thank you peponastick for your kind words. When the time comes I hope to march by your side as we begin to get our Freedoms back. If not, then I pray we can both shake hands at the finish line. When our Constitution is the Law of the Land once again.


--Charles Marcello

[edit on 28-12-2009 by littlebunny]

Originally posted by downisreallyup

"A wise man knows to run away so he can fight another day."

I am not about to rehash all the old arguments that have already helped tear this country apart.

The only part I wanted to touch on was your last statement. Because a coward can claim any reason he wants for why he/she ran away. While the warriors of freedom know you must hold the line, you must stand in defiance of tyranny. You only run when there is no hope, or if you are a coward. Well I strongly believe there are enough of us who love Freedom and our Constitution then there are those who seek to destroy it, and that gives me hope. That is what I believe, or I would have remained silent, pretending everything is going to be fine as I see the rest of our freedoms tittering on the verge of the abyss.


I shall not run, because a wise man also knows when its time to make a stand and say no more. A wise Nation knows when they have been pushed to far, and by God Congress and the Bureaucrats in Government have pushed to far. Its time to make a stand, if you don't believe so, then we know which direction you will be running!


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 28-12-2009 by littlebunny]

Originally posted by peponastick
Charles,

Let me know where you are giving your first speech...I'll be there.

I can't think of anything more worth fighting for then our freedom and our documents that preserve that freedom.

Without freedom we have nothing....I suggest any of you who want to try and extinquish the flames of freedom stand aside so you don't get burned.

The Red Blood is coming...believe me you can feel it in the air. I promise you when the MEN of this Country see innocent unarmed Americans lying in their own blood...THERE WILL BE NO TURNING BACK.

This is the only war worth fighting and dying for. I hope a peaceful revolution can mend the halls of Washington D.C. but I have my doubts...

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution makes it clear that rebellion and insurrection against the government will be put down... in other words, the Constitution does not give the citizens the right to overthrow the government by means of force. There is nothing implied in the "right to bear arms" that citizens have the right to take up arms against the government. If you want to change things, you have to do it within the context of the political process and the law. That is plain as day, and any talk of doing otherwise can be treated as treasonous and illegal.

Look, if you want to change things, you need to either run for office, or vote for someone that will be able to do what the elite have done. You need to be able to gather the political power to outdo them, and until you can do that, they are holding all the cards. If you play cards against superior players who end up taking all your money, you can't just whip out your gun and start shooting... well you can try, but I can assure you that those who play that well, can also shoot even better, and they have much bigger guns.

For example, let's say you launch your ill-fated attack, and immediately, they deploy one of their EMP energy weapons in the area of the fighting. Immediately, thousands of people's blood vessels burst and they die.

Here, look at this article... just one of the many things that we know about... think of all that we DON'T know about... a lot of things can be built for $800 billion a year!

Article on High-tech Weapons

Part of losing a contest is learning how to lose with grace, and then quietly learning from the mistakes made, and then crafting a plan for the future, one that has more chance to succeed. There is nothing wrong with people wanting freedom, but quite frankly, the people so far have not done too well with it... they have used their freedom to indulge their selfish agendas, and have done little to protect their freedom by all legal means necessary. We have all been guilty of this, and eventually, you have to pay the piper.

reply to post by littlebunny


Although I respond specifically, and in an attempt to understand your position, I am not getting that same feedback. That's okay, I'm not here for that. And it's not the point.

Good luck with that requested army, but you're just not convincing people to become unarmed victims in your scenario. It also has not currently showed signs of occurring. So that leaves you right where you are, in regular life, trying to be a hero. And you can.

No need to knock me or the Bible. You don't want to be an uncivil general in your Constitutional army. Lots of soldiers believe in the Bible, so you may offend your target audience.

And do you have a plan in case all this drama DOESN'T happen? How will you make your point if no one agrees to slaughter you? Get a plan B. It's just good thinking!


Finally: I'm not standing aside and letting any freedoms go anywhere. Ask some questions if you really want to know.

It is KIND of humorous to hear my approach described the way you do, however.

Timid, scared of a fight, tolerant of injustice? HA! Not even close! If you knew or could pick up on what kind of person I am, you would be happy to have me by your side, and you would probably live a lot longer. You would also know that your generalizing statements about my cowardice and passivity couldn't be further from the truth. If only you knew...

I come from a whole family of Marines, Army, you name it. We know about courage, and have no problem fighting the good fight, but we are also able to fight it without a bunch of hype, and insulting others, or getting some people to come with us to speak our peace! LOL

You may continue with your revolution.

Please learn about the power of the Civil Rights bus boycott and economic boycotts that were quite effective in the movement.

Were they not courageous enough for you? BTW, their movement succeeded.

reply to post by downisreallyup



What? the 14th Amendment gives the Federal Government the right to murder its own citizens? That is pure nonsense! I would really love to read that part of the 14th Amendment.


Second, we are to hide in fear because we might die? Again what pure nonsense! We are all going to die, that is an absolute fact... Yet to live in slavery, to live in fear of my government for the rest of my life. Only over my dead body. So no, I shall not fear the valley of the shadow of death for the lord is with me...


--Charles Marcello

Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by downisreallyup

"A wise man knows to run away so he can fight another day."

I am not about to rehash all the old arguments that have already helped tear this country apart.

The only part I wanted to touch on was your last statement. Because a coward can claim any reason he wants for why he/she ran away. While the warriors of freedom know you must hold the line, you must stand in defiance of tyranny. You only run when there is no hope, or if you are a coward. Well I strongly believe there are enough of us who love Freedom and our Constitution then there are those who seek to destroy it, and that gives me hope. That is what I believe, or I would have remained silent, pretending everything is going to be fine as I see the rest of our freedoms tittering on the verge of the abyss.


I shall not run, because a wise man also knows when its time to make a stand and so no more. A wise Nation knows when they have been pushed to far, and by God Congress and the Bureaucrats in Government have pushed to far. Its time to make a stand, if you don't believe so, then we know which direction you will be running!


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 28-12-2009 by littlebunny]

You talk about defending the Constitution, but have you actually studied it? I have, and what I find is this: you have freedom to operate as an ACTIVE and RESPONSIBLE Citizen of the state you reside in, and the United States as a whole. But, what has happened since those words were written?

1) The Central Bank was developed, and money coining was taken out of Congress's hands... and the people did nothing.

2) Corporations were given the status of "persons", allowing them to gain more political power than any individual... and the people did nothing.

3) A two-party system was developed that became a "good old boy club", where membership required lots of money, and certain ideals.... and the people did nothing but vote for people from one of the two parties.

4) The two parties eventually became the same, both espousing the same socialist policies... and the people did nothing.

5) The money system was designed such that the only way more currency is introduced into the economy was through DEBT, thereby causing a never-ending inflation and weakening of the dollar... and the people did nothing.

6) Men who were in important positions like President committed acts that served to weaken the original intents of the founders... and the people did nothing.

7) Even though warned by two sitting Presidents, the military-industrial complex continued to grow, developing terrifying weapons, and amassing unheard of power... and the people did nothing but boast about how strong their military was.

8) The Presidents declared wars that were designed to advance the country's imperialistic agenda... and the people did nothing but sign up voluntarily to go and fight these wars.

9) Men and women ran for congress who made promises that they haven't kept in the slightest way... and the people did nothing.

10) The big corporations put ads up everywhere telling the people that capitalism was king, and all they needed to do was buy more and more unneeded things, get a bigger house by going more into debt, spend all their money instead of save, and waste all their time on feeding their hunger for entertainment, instead of studying what was really going on... and the people DID THIS with all their might, giving ALL their time, treasure, and talent to this pursuit!

And NOW, little bunny, you want to start shooting? Just the fact that you would even entertain such a thing, showing no sense of responsibility for the plight you now find yourself in, shows that you have no sense of true honor. You, me, and all the others like us, have sat on our big fat butts, opened the door to our houses wide, and let others walk in and take everything we own, and then, once the house is empty, you have the audacity to pull out a gun and start shooting... amazing really.

Originally posted by Copperflower

It is KIND of humorous to hear my approach described the way you do, however.

And I think it is humorous to watch you pretend that your words are being treated so.

I mean how incredibly funny...

but you're just not convincing people to become unarmed victims in your scenario. It also has not currently showed signs of occurring. So that leaves you right where you are, in regular life, trying to be a hero. And you can.

You really think I didn't have you pegged from the beginning, that what I quoted above wasn’t your real intention when you came to this thread. Once again, I think it is humorous to watch you pretend that your words are being treated other then how you absolutely intended them to be.


Take care my friend,


--Charles Marcello

Originally posted by littlebunny
reply to post by downisreallyup

 

What? the 14th Amendment gives the Federal Government the right to murder its own citizens? That is pure nonsense! I would really love to read that part of the 14th Amendment.


Second, we are to hide in fear because we might die? Again what pure nonsense! We are all going to die, that is an absolute fact... Yet to live in slavery, to live in fear of my government for the rest of my life. Only over my dead body. So no, I shall not fear the valley of the shadow of death for the lord is with me...


--Charles Marcello

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Source

Here it is in section 4. I have studied constitutional law, and I can tell you that this is quite plain. The United States will pay unquestioningly for those men that will serve the government in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, but they will not pay any money to anyone for aiding in insurrection or rebellion. The implications of this are obvious to anyone with a rudimentary understanding of English and basic reasoning.


[edit on 28-12-2009 by downisreallyup]

Originally posted by downisreallyup

And NOW, little bunny, you want to start shooting?

It is absolutely impossible for you to be that obtuse. I mean have you even read my opening thread, or my comments in this thread, of course you haven't. Or else you wouldn't have posted such a stupid ass comment!!! What a pathetic game you are trying to play!


Section 4 of 14th Amendment is talking about the debts incurred during the Civil War. But I guess someone could mentally masturbate that to death, to where it gives the government the right to murder its citizens. Possie Comitatus means nothing to you I‘m sure… especially since then President George Bush just gave this President the right to kill us all. Yeah, let me run and hide... Oh wait.. No… that's your job, I'll stand and fight for my freedoms thank you very much.


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 28-12-2009 by littlebunny]

Originally posted by littlebunny
reply to post by downisreallyup

Second, we are to hide in fear because we might die? Again what pure nonsense! We are all going to die, that is an absolute fact... Yet to live in slavery, to live in fear of my government for the rest of my life. Only over my dead body. So no, I shall not fear the valley of the shadow of death for the lord is with me... --Charles Marcello

Nobody said anything about fear... if you interpret fear as the only motivation for showing self-restraint, then you totally miss the admonitions of the Bible, and yet you seem to quote the Bible when it suits you. Well, here is another quote from the Bible you might want to consider:

Rev. 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

If the cause of continued freedom is a just cause, then God's will WILL be done. As I have studied these things out in great detail, I have concluded that the men and women who now run things have been very careful to do things according to the legal/political process, and in so doing, they have given themselves a fairly safe haven.

This whole thing reminds me of the story of Jacob and Esau, where Esau sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. Did Jacob take advantage of a hungry man? Yes. Did Jacob use trickery? Perhaps. Did Jacob cheat Esau? No. The deal was "bowl of soup" for "birthright," and that is what transpired. You, in like fashion, have enjoyed that "bowl of soup," and you hardly even noticed that you were selling your birthright in the process of eating it. Now, just like Esau, you have awakened to the stupid thing that was done, and now you want to get revenge... mark this... Esau could not win in such a case, and neither will your ill-fated attempts, because it is not based on honesty and truth.

You could have fought "the good fight" in the congress or halls of justice, but you decided to entrust that to others, and you did nothing to check up on them before their power grew and they successfully put THEIR PEOPLE in every important position within the government, media, banking, and business sector. It is not cowardice to recognize an unwinnable situation, for to march into such a thing is not bravery, it is stupid and foolish folly!

Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by downisreallyup

And NOW, little bunny, you want to start shooting?

It is absolutely impossible for you to be that obtuse. I mean have you even read my opening thread, or my comments in this thread, of course you haven't. Or else you wouldn't have posted such a stupid ass comment!!! What a pathetic game you are trying to play!


Section 4 of 14th Amendment is talking about the debts incurred during the Civil War. But I can see how someone would think that gives the government the right to murder its citizens. Possie Comitatus means nothing to you I‘m sure… especially since then President George Bush just gave this President the right to kill us all. Yeah, let me run and hide... Oh wait.. No… that's your job, I'll stand and fight for my freedoms thank you very much.


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 28-12-2009 by littlebunny]

Yes, I read your thread, and my statement still holds. You want to do what they do, by baiting them to attack first, when you know for a fact that they WILL do that. That is what a false flag operation is all about. You entice the other party to strike at you, so that in some twisted form of justification, you can tell yourself that it's alright to hit them back with fire power.

That is not how passive resistance works. When they shoot you down and beat you, you send in your next wave to receive the same treatment. You keep sending in volunteers who will pay the ultimate sacrifice, until finally, the world opinion can't take it any more, and the pressure becomes too great for them to continue. The moment you pick up arms, is the moment world opinion will shift, and you will be seen as terrorists and insurrectionists.

It will be quite simple to take over the government without a shot being fired by any Citizen. You must get at least 50% of the people (that's about 150 million people) to march en mass upon the streets around the White House and Capital building. THAT, and only that, will be THE PEOPLE speaking in unison that they have had enough, and are demanding a change. That is how DEMOCRACY works, but that is NOT how a republic works. In a republic, you need to use voting, elections, and legal processes to send representatives of the people. And if the people are silent, the representatives will only speak for those few voices that DID speak up.

If you, or even a small group of a few hundred or even thousand people take any kind of action that leads to violence on your part, it will be branded as a sectarian zealot group, filled with extremists and terrorists who are dangerous to the nation. You will be demonized and swiped away, just like the Branch Davidians were, and your names will be scorned, not praised. No, unlike the days when American only had a few hundred thousand people, it is MUCH harder now to get a majority, and to truly have a VOICE OF THE PEOPLE. Just try getting 1 million people, and you will see just how much they truly have won.

I am speaking wisdom to you, not out of fear for myself or even you, but more out of fear for those you will leave behind, having died in vain to no effective purpose.

Originally posted by downisreallyup

You could have fought "the good fight" in the congress or halls of justice, but you decided to entrust that to others, and you did nothing to check up on them before their power grew and they successfully put THEIR PEOPLE in every important position within the government, media, banking, and business sector. It is not cowardice to recognize an unwinnable situation, for to march into such a thing is not bravery, it is stupid and foolish folly!

The fight is never over until you are dead. And if the cause is strong enough, others will continue the fight even after you’re gone. This is going to be one of those fights… I truly don’t want anyone to die, and I truly am not trying to pick a fight… But I truly cannot live in slavery, nor can millions of others.

That is all the government is btw, people, paper and a promise. Well those people have broken all their promises and those papers can be torn up or rewritten to give us our freedoms back. But to quit, to do nothing because you believe all you can do nothing, now that is a fools game and I will have nothing to do with it! I am not going to give up, and I can guaran-damn-tee you, when Congress passes this next bill, this country is going to go nuts... Whether I do anything or nothing, its coming! We all know it is. And I plan to be on the front lines. And no amount of we've already lost is going to stop me, or them.


--Charles Marcello


[edit on 28-12-2009 by littlebunny]

Originally posted by downisreallyup

If you, or even a small group of a few hundred or even thousand people take any kind of action that leads to violence on your part, it will be branded as a sectarian zealot group, filled with extremists and terrorists who are dangerous to the nation. You will be demonized and swiped away, just like the Branch Davidians were, and your names will be scorned, not praised. No, unlike the days when American only had a few hundred thousand people, it is MUCH harder now to get a majority, and to truly have a VOICE OF THE PEOPLE. Just try getting 1 million people, and you will see just how much they truly have won.

IF, and that is a big IF you read my opening thread, and what I’ve said in this thread, then that statement above proves you truly have ZERO idea of what it is I'm talking about. This can only happen if MILLIONS of Americans standup. And I plan to help make sure we GET TENS OF MILLIONS of Americans to STAND UP! You said you read this thread, and then post that nonsense.


--Charles Marcello


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