HELLO? Codex Alimentarius? This December 31st people!

Originally posted by malcr
I'm puzzled. I went to the official site (has anybody else?) and noted that there are hundreds of standards ALREADY implemented and have been so for over 20 years.

Why are we still here? Why hasn't the world starved before now?

I smell ATS paranoia.

AmericanDaughter already addressed this in few posts earlier.

1. Codex has been in effect since 1966 and has since accrued some 300 guidelines. The current hype pertains to the Vitamin and Mineral Guidelines.
   
2. The Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements were adopted by the Codex Alimentarius Commission in July 2005.
   
3. The European Union's Food Supplements Directive, on the other hand, will go into full effect in Europe on December 31, 2009, but it is a piece of European legislation and as such will primarily affect consumers living in Europe.
   

I'll adjust the OP for clarity.

I dont think some of the more dire predictions about what codex will do are true.

Because food is such an obvious and blatant form of control, that it will cause a massive revolt.

Remember last year when the price of food skyrocketed? There where huge food riots and governments where overthrown.

So really I see no point in the passage of codex doing what as some of you say it will do. It will not serve to further control or power. Instead it will have an opposite effect.

Having worked in the field of analytical chemistry for 15 years, the Codex Alimentarius was practically equivalent to the bible to me.

Consider residual pesticides remaining in your fruit and veg when you purchase them from the supermarket. These 'residual levels' are governed by the codex as it sets the standard of acceptable levels when consumed.

To suggest that vitamins are to be classed as toxins and set at 'lower' levels is absurd. As has been mentioned already most vitamins, especially in fresh produce, are naturally occuring.

There is , as far as i have searched, no reference to the claims made in the OP.

Grammar!

[edit on 26/12/09 by logicalview]

I've looked all over the site and I can't find anything fishy. I went through this the last time I saw this topic pop up.

Codex Alimentarius gets their nutrition guidlines from WHO. Their guidelines are no worse than the FDA's which are already horrible. There's really no further damage that can be done to our nutrition.

As far as supplements getting banned, please show me where it says so.

In fact the Codex A. site has standards for various supplement packaging and preparation standards.

I was caught up in the hype for a while, but now I'm thinking this is a bunch of scare mongering. Somehow I think the party involved must be connected to some kind of large company that's going to get damaged so they are stirring up a conspiracy around it.

So, again, show me facts, not a women rambling on. I can't find anything on the site.

By the way, if this really did happen
You could just start eating dandilions out of your lawn to make up for nutritional loss

[edit on 26-12-2009 by Scarcer]

Not that this isn't a serious issue but people seem to forget taht alot of the nutrients in fruits and vegetable are not only good for us but are required by the plants themselves to grow.

They can make food less nutritient but they can't eliminate the nutrients or the plants wouldn't grow.

Another point is that 90+% of americans eat canned and cooked foods. . . . which are almost devoid of nutrients to begin with.

This is under the radar because the vast majority have personal habits that limit their nutrition far more than this would. So basically no one cares.

I however do. . . . S & F

Luckily I do have a bit of a green thumb and growing your own food is not only nutritionaly rewarding but the personal satisfaction you get from seeing the literal fruits of your labors makes it worth the effort.

Originally posted by constantwonder
Not that this isn't a serious issue

Exactly what do you think is a serious issue about the Codex Alimentarius? What do you think it means?

[edit on 26/12/09 by dereks]

I have not said much on the subject because I first heard about it early last year and since then I have been quietly waiting (and stockpiling) from online retailers.

The subject matter is wilder than a gang of drunken matians being found in your local highstreet and that I think is why few people are willing to say much about it.

At the moment we are in the wait and see phase and the more paranoid among us are quietly watchful as to just how "real" this law is.




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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by rexusdiablos
So, you honestly don't see a fundamental issue with having naturally occurring nutrients declared as toxins and thusly removed from our foodstuffs?

Except that is not going to happen, why do you think it is?

That's a odd claim to make, dereks. The European Union's Food Supplements Directive is being passed this December 31st. Surely you dedicate a nominal amount of time researching an item you intend on rebutting, right?

Can you back up your claim in any way? Can you answer the original question I posed to you while your at it?

Originally posted by SmokeJaguar67
I have not said much on the subject because I first heard about it early last year and since then I have been quietly waiting (and stockpiling) from online retailers

Exactly why are you stockpiling, and what are you stockpiling? What difference do you think this Codex will make, and why?

It truly doesn't matter what we type here from our armchairs, couches and super-duper reclining massaging computer loungers. What matters is what is being done to stop it - everywhere - and where can we sign up.

Starred, Flagged, and Dugg in the Health Channel (surprisingly nothing there, btw). When they dugg through it during submission, the only link to come up was Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory, Big Brother episode. :/

EDIT: Even a small chance of this happening as described, deserves our utmost attention, IMHO. It's a threat (and thus possibility) that needs to be nipped in the budd before it attains any inertia whatsoever (if possible).

[edit on 26-12-2009 by lagnar]

Originally posted by rexusdiablos
Can you back up your claim in any way?

How about you backing your claim up, you know, the one where you claimed

"Nutrients are about to be declared as toxins! The vitamins and minerals of the foods that you and I eat are about to be drastically reduced! The permissible level of Vitamin C, for example will be lower than what is requisite in preventing scurvy!"

So show us in the documents where that is going to happen

Have they gotten the Codex Alimentarius reversed. We have been tied up with healthcare and the military budget and whatnot, but are they still going to outlaw nutrition in our food. This demands immediate attention, but is it too late? Congress can still reword it to promote real nutritious food instead and outlaw the poisons, can't they?

Originally posted by m khan
but are they still going to outlaw nutrition in our food.

Please show us in the Codex Alimentarius where they are going to outlaw nutrition in food - you seem to know!

reply to post by dereks

Google Codex Alimentarius and you can't miss Dr. Laibow's documentary on Codex.

video.google.com...#

Please watch it, it is very important, if we want to live



[edit on 26-12-2009 by m khan]

[edit on 26-12-2009 by m khan]

This link may clear up the 'confusion'

Can i just point out that the regulations in question here (and i believe this entire thread)are to food supplements and additives.

Does anyone think its possible that there are some other agenda going on here as well, the reason i ask is this, I am a qualified chef, though not working as such now, but i have always enjoyed playing around with food and ingredients im sure you know what i mean, the thing is, i have noticed over the past few months that its becoming more and more as if some of the food i buy down to basic ingredients is somehow missing something. I keep to the same recipes once I have worked out how much i need to get a particular flavour, and have been able to maintain the quality and continuity of the dish to an almost perfect match every time. But that's where i have notice the difference in the past few months, i am more often than not finding myself adding more of this and less of that, and in some cases completely giving up on a dish altogether because its just not working any more. It cant be because im making the same thing to often, because my recipe book is diverse. and i do get board if i make the same thing to often. So has anyone else noticed this or is it just me. I am concerned about the potiential of what could be going on with our food, as i have little ones, and the last thing i want is for them to become malnourished, while i feel i am doing all i can to keep them healthy. As the OP says this is a huge issue and not getting enough attention. I will keep an eye on it, because i fear the worst for the future, besides who the hell are these people to decided what i can eat and what i cant, if need be i will go pick some dandelions and cook them up, they contain plenty of goodness for my little ones, among other natural things growing in the forest, just have to find out which ones. I have been following this subject and even have it covered on my own forum, but it wasn't until i went to post it as a topic on ATS that i found it was already covered but with such little coverage, not even a tweet on this one, hmmm, wonder why?

Originally posted by m khan
Google Codex Alimentarius and you can't miss Dr. Liebow's documentary on Codex.

So it appears you cannot show us where in the Codex it states it is going to outlaw nutrients in food!

Dr Liebow? Dont you mean Dr Laibow, psychiatrist, who published such "gems" as "Hypnotist Rima Laibow's in-depth paper on Abductees & her methodologies."

if anyone asks where the evidence is, or where the claims are, look them up for yourself, don't ask us to hold your hand, especially when you don't even want to believe it in the first place.. this has been going on for a long time.

but they won't be successful, friends. they will never be successful in this. and everyone needs to know that and believe that and be mindful of that.

Yes, I've thought about this. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Grow your own food. Grow it in pots if you have to. Take measures to protect and feed yourself and your family, and don't become dependent upon other people to do it for you. Seeds are cheap. Study online or buy books on how to preserve food and and dry and replant seeds. Take life seriously. You can do it. Good luck and peace be with you always.

[edit on 26-12-2009 by gazerstar]

Originally posted by shagreen heart
if anyone asks where the evidence is, or where the claims are, look them up for yourself, don't ask us to hold your hand, especially when you don't even want to believe it in the first place..

It is very difficult to look them up when they do not actually exist as claimed, this is also why you are unable to show us whee they are.

You forget the onus on those making the claims to back them up, it is not on others to disprove those claims!