God had to become an ant to save us.

In order to save us and give as a chance, God had to become an ant just like us. Lets say you are walking in a park, or a forest, and you see an ant hill. You see the ants working hard, carrying things, stocking up on things etc etc... Can you as a human help them? there is nothing you can do for them at all. Same goes for God. he had to become that ant, in order to come down to their level and help us ants. He became Jesus as a human. Ants compared to us humans are tiny.... can you imagine if we are being compared to God?? we would have to be way way WAY smaller! micro small!!

i think my dad told me this story a long time ago, so i dont take credit for it... but its a great way to see the big picture and compare the situation...MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!

O is that why children die every day from dieases and hunger? So jesus could see us bleeding out of our eyes and holding our own intestines from a stomache wound and know he should die on a cross?

Why make some babies stupid like the ones that call behind car tires and get crushed.... and then give jesus so much knowledge that he talks to god every day?

Just remeber the next time you see a homeless man on fire... hold out your hands and collect the warmth as his body slowly dissintigrates into ashes. Its what GOD would have wanted.

God should know what's it like without having to incarnate himself into a lower form as that would be limiting his abilities.

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I like your concept. Its a good way to look at things.
Good story.

After living through the things I've lived through, I've learned not to question what I don't know.

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that's an awesome allegory!

have you heard about the ant people?
i think it is very intriguing!

thanks for sharing!

God is Just and true and what wants is more important than all. Nice OP

Originally posted by TinFoilHatMan55
God should know what's it like without having to incarnate himself into a lower form as that would be limiting his abilities.

Actually, that is EXACTLY what is required in order for their to be a "reality". That which is unlimited and eternal(without time) limits itself in order to bring about a "reality", or "experience".

You purposely do this all the time in order to have experiences. Take the game of poker for example. You purposely limit yourself and abide by the rules of the game in order to have the experience. Nothing physically stops you from turning all the cards over etc. But if you do not limit yourself, then there is no game/experience. If everyone was playing poker in the state of "all knowing" and "eternal/without time" in the hand, then it means all players would know the winner before it starts, thus nobody would bet unless they were the winner.

Same thing with a movie. If you stretch it end to end, and view it in the mode of all knowing and eternal on the movie, then you do not experience the movie itself. It's not until the view of the movie is limited to 1 frame, and then that frame is changed do you get "time". That is what "time" is, change within a limited perspective. Time is an illusion and function of perception.

The only thing that changes is the perception. The same thing is still perceiving both, but 1 is all knowing, omnipotent, eternal and immortal, and that which is in a limited perception and so forth is not. Thus, the father is within all, but the father is still much greater than all. The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. However, the whole is not whole without it's parts, thus each part is equally important within it.

Can you define what is "you" without naming a possession? What are "you"? A materialistic mind might say - oh I am my job, my family, my back account. Some might even go to define themselves as their body. I am my body, my brain, my leg. But yet, if you look we are still talking with the word "my", a possession. Even when we get to the spiritual level, and you can say - well I am "my" soul, "my" consciousness. All possessions. What is it that possesses these things? That is what is "you". All physical/knowledge and the limit of it is merely your experience - which "you" limited yourself to experience in the first place.

I'm not a Christian, and I am anti-religion. But the above and more is among the things Jesus knew and understood when he spoke. He acted purely on his understanding of such things.







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I could understand God coming in the form of an avatar to teach and guide people or use a prophet by why come down and be crucified for peoples sins when he should be able to forgive sins anyway. HE'S GOD. Why go through all that when he should be able to forgive people from the start of things.

You can forgive your dog if it chews up your dvds or whatever. You don't have to become a dog, be crucified for it's sins and then be able to forgive your dog. It doesn't make any sense. Why would God have to do the same?

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GOD came to show us that death is not real - that it is not permanent or an end or even a punishment.

death is just a doorway
so is birth

one door, two directions
the result is a never-ending loop

that's why GOD came

Originally posted by queenannie38
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GOD came to show us that death is not real - that it is not permanent or an end or even a punishment.

death is just a doorway
so is birth

one door, two directions
the result is a never-ending loop

that's why GOD came

Krishna told the same thing to Arjuna in the Bhagavad-Gita and he didn't have to die for anyones sins. Krishna is an avatar of God.

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Because you are talking about the manipulations and false things that are said, rather than what is the truth.

To believe in Jesus means to follow in his example, not to praise the idol. The blood sacrifice ritual is anti-Christ, and nobody is "saved" by that. He was murdered because he showed people the truth - something those who seek power wouldn't have, and is also the reason why the entire thing through religion is so perverted.

The highest form of atonement and forgiveness of sins it to repent for your sins. This literally means to "fix your mistakes". You do not "repent for your sins", by running around saying "Jesus is my savior". You repent for your sins by fixing your mistakes.

Jesus therefore shows people how to properly keep the commandments, and if someone "believes" in him, then it means they will also keep the commandments and follow his example. By following those commandments then one is "saved".

Jesus shows in his death that it is better to die, then to take up evil yourself and fight back on earth. Because that is what people do - they fear for their lives, they try to "save themselves" and so they go off and kill. By doing so, they walk the path of death and destruction, rather than the path of truth and understanding, and in doing so they "lose themselves".

It's all been mixed around by religion, forced upon the people by force in the manner you speak of. It's not the truth. They do not want people to keep the commandments, they want people to do their bidding. Thus, they tell people that Jesus did it so they don't have to, all they need to do is believe in the blood sacrifice and they are saved. Then they can mislead these same people into wars and other sacrifices for their benefit(elite).

Because you are absolutely right about it being ridiculous to think god needs to become a man, then have himself killed in order to "save" people. God could just forgive people on his own if they were deserving. But it only appears that way because it has been used to blind people. There is a legitimate and good reason why Jesus did what he did.

I can show you the bible verses that talk about this stuff if you would like, Jesus directly warns of Paul(that which comes after him), and these things.

Originally posted by TinFoilHatMan55
Krishna told the same thing to Arjuna in the Bhagavad-Gita and he didn't have to die for anyones sins. Krishna is an avatar of God.

i know.