Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

reply to post by JJay55


I must have missed your earlier post. You know 9 pages, Fallacy Man?

I think I get it. You can't back up your claims, so attack the person calling you out on your lack of hardcore evidence.

The usual stuff.

misunderstanding, please delete this post.
Thank you

[edit on 26-12-2009 by infinite]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


We're talking good Vs. evil.
we're talking democracy Vs. oppression. the acts of Israel were targeting this man who tried to blow up the plane. can't you see that these people do not deserve the chance to board a plane?
they teach and spew hatred. it makes me sad to think that scum like this exists, any action against these terrorists is welcome with open arms

Originally posted by ROBL240
Al Quaeda attack using multiple targets at a singular time generally within a small timespan. The fact this was a lone bomber like Richard Reids suggests to me thig guy was either a "plant" for a false flag event, or a simple nut-job.

indeed. Nice timing that he was duped right after the Al Quada video of the captured soldier.
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balancing out the propaganda

reply to post by GideonHM

Excuse me? Are you expecting me to supply you with hardcore evidence of something? Because... you are important and need to know?
Heh.
Sorry, the first responders are the ones who have the information you seek and they probably won't answer your questions but you can try.
Good Luck.

As for education in Islam and ideology... there are examples daily, like this one of what the mindset holds. You can probably find much open source material on that if you look.

Now, if you have nothing to add to the thread, excepts attacks against me, then please... move along. Thanks.

A lot of people seem awfully convinced here that 911 had damned well anything to do with AQ and not the American government!.. this whole situation reeks of fear mongering, and more governmental bs in order to tighten its grip more and more on the people of the world. as many others have already stated here, its their easy answer to more control, less freedoms and more infringements on personal lives in general. I am not saying there arent terrorists, not at all, they are everywhere, i just get tired of hearing how its ONLY Islam.. every religion on earth has its nutters, christianity stands proud with that one itself.. I live in a part of the world that has been used to nearly daily bombings in the past years from the IRA crazies, but they arent trying to kill all the Irish over it. In the event of a true terrorist attack one would imagine they would aim for body count, not just a hundred or two on a plane, they would target highly populated groups of people such as new years celebrations in times square for example or the superbowl..
No, I've not forgotten at all about 911, but i also will not forget that Hitler did indeed have the Reichstag burnt down..history repeats as we all well know i am sure..
This whole firecracker threat i am sure had to have been terrifying for those on the flight and all involved at any level and i am extremely glad no one apart from the moron with the device was injured..but there are also parts i agree with on this pointing to a test of some sort.. a dry' run.. MSM is pointless, they arent going to tell even a scrap of fact or truth about the incident, so all most can do, at least for the time being, is speculate. as usual.. we all know the media, told to do so by the government muppets in control of such aspects as propaganda (sorry 'Public Relations' lmao) will point to AQ, will claim it was a very dangerous weapon the guy tried to ignite, and it will all be used to prolong the war angenda and keep our troops in the trenches. so not exactly any news there. As i said i am just glad for whatever reason, that everyone landed safe and sound.

Originally posted by conar

Originally posted by ROBL240
Al Quaeda attack using multiple targets at a singular time generally within a small timespan. The fact this was a lone bomber like Richard Reids suggests to me thig guy was either a "plant" for a false flag event, or a simple nut-job.

indeed. Nice timing that he was duped right after the Al Quada video of the captured soldier.
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balancing out the propaganda

Can you explain propaganda and how these incidents actually work in the goal?

Originally posted by Full_Vision
A lot of people seem awfully convinced here that 911 had damned well anything to do with AQ and not the American government!.. this whole situation reeks of fear mongering, and more governmental bs in order to tighten its grip more and more on the people of the world. as many others have already stated here, its their easy answer to more control, less freedoms and more infringements on personal lives in general.

This is curious.
Why would the "government" want to control people? And what do you mean control? Are people so out of control and need to be gripped? What in your personal life is so important to the government that they would want control over it?

why are you asking questions JJay55, when you seem to know it all.

You seem to be one of those that dont think we should question the official stories

war propaganda is fake information to make the public/soldiers angry at the enemy

[edit on 26-12-2009 by conar]

Originally posted by conar
why are you asking questions JJay55, when you seem to know it all.

You seem to be one of those that dont think we should question the official stories

This is why AQ is laughing at us. We are like Rodney King and can't get along. Whereas in Islam everyone is on the same path.
Our collective American stupidity should give AQ the confidence that conquering us will be fairly simple. Probably in 2010 there will be an attack on 12 specific locations including Hoover Dam and NORAD in Colorado and Canada. These guys aren't stupid but we are. It's very sad.

Originally posted by pavil
For all of those here who are willing to brush this off, I'd bet you be changing your tune if you were seated right behind this idiot on an airplane as it begins it's landing.

Um...No. He would have just gotten the butt whipping of his life and then I would have confiscated his fireworks and given them to the neighborhood kids as soon as I got home.

Sorry, but its not the big of a deal.

BOO...did that scare you??? Just testing.

reply to post by JJay55


Can we please stay on topic?

I can just see this thread being hijacked by you as you normally do on every islam related thread.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by pavil
For all of those here who are willing to brush this off, I'd bet you be changing your tune if you were seated right behind this idiot on an airplane as it begins it's landing.

Um...No. He would have just gotten the butt whipping of his life and then I would have confiscated his fireworks and given them to the neighborhood kids as soon as I got home.

Sorry, but its not the big of a deal.

BOO...did that scare you??? Just testing.

Do you actually believe that anyone on the planet is scared by this guy or these actions?
I'm not. No one I know is. Do you know people that are scared? Really? Do you think the purpose of his actions was to scare people?

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Someone has a magical way of signing off every few minutes while stars magically appear on their posts.

We can get accounts verified to see if my IP is on another account?
Feel free to U2U the staff, if you are implying I am staring myself. In fact, I'll do it myself

Want me to forward the U2U for you to? Just to prove it?

Either that or other members have stared my post

[edit] U2U'd Springer. Just letting all members know, after all, you did accuse me of cheating.

[edit on 26-12-2009 by infinite]

I wasn't referring to you! In fact I have been starring most of your posts.

I agree with much of what you post.

I was referring to someone else which I can't do specifically here in the open forum as its a Terms of Service Violation.

I was explaining to you that I do suspect someone on this thread (not you) is signing off periodically to star their own posts and explaining to you at the same time that even when you put someone on ignore they still can see your posts.

My appologies if you thought that accusation was levelled at you it wasn't.

I hope that clears that up and no one thinks I was accusing you of doing such a thing.

Now back on topic I personally think this case fits all the criteria for a Nigerian Heroin Smuggler who 'popped' their baloons and attempted to burn the Heroin on the plane to get rid of it before the airplane arrived.

The suspects dazed and confused state of mind, the popping sounds passengers claimed to hear and the fact that the substance simply burned and did not explode bear all this out.

I suspect the authorities are so desperate to provide fodder for the war on terror propaganda machine they have taken a hapless drug smuggler and remanufacturing him into a terrorist.

That's my take on the situation.





[edit on 26/12/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by GradyPhilpott


Grady, the number of shlubs that can be enticed to do this is mind boggling. The egotistical aspects of these incidents are mostly ignored. Consider that this indoctrinated shlub could have taken his time and done whatever he was attempting in the privacy of the lavatory. But NOOOOOOO!!! He needed to flaunt his martyrdom by waltzing down the aisle for all to witness. This is never the Imams. They don't sign on for setting off explosives in their jockey shorts.

I suspect in a Muslim country this type of nonsense would be dealt with by allowing and even aiding the explosives to go off in his lap. They deal with these incidents with barbaric and practical economy. They don't support objectors for life, they parade the consequences for all to see and not only do have very few repeat offenders, they have very few offenders period. This of course is the general "who" we are bending over backwards to treat like citizens of this country when encountered here.

Originally posted by NoamC
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

We're talking good Vs. evil.
we're talking democracy Vs. oppression. the acts of Israel were targeting this man who tried to blow up the plane. can't you see that these people do not deserve the chance to board a plane?
they teach and spew hatred. it makes me sad to think that scum like this exists, any action against these terrorists is welcome with open arms

Once upon a time I used to be a Travel Agent and flew the world usually showing up minutes before the flight with nothing but carry on.

You COULDN'T PAY ME TO FLY these days not because I am afraid of terrorist acts but because I will not let an atmosphere of fear and suspicion intimidate me and pay money for a service where everyone is viewed as a potential criminal and stripped of their dignity and rights.

This is Democratic Israel and El Al's gift to the world, making all people have to prove they aren't criminals.

That is pure evil, and the war on terror is pure evil, as it is fought in such a way by a certain type of people that does nothing but breed terrorists.

It's all one huge farce for power and control and to enrich the security industrial complex and the military industrial complex.

I reject the war on terror and all its propaganda, America is the home of the free and the brave, not the herded and fearful!

Israel is guilty of War Crimes, Genocide and Apartheid and that more than anything is what causes terrorism and the U.S.'s blind support for the Zionist Israeli Criminal Regime.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Full_Vision

This is curious.
Why would the "government" want to control people? And what do you mean control? Are people so out of control and need to be gripped? What in your personal life is so important to the government that they would want control over it?

Really??? I was wondering if you actually asked that question or if I'm replying to an illusion.

I'll field this one.

Why would the "government" want to control people?
Well...if you have the good little kiddies in your country under control, they remain excellent consumers who support the economy. Now, I'm sure the Germans were asking the SAME question you just did right before they they figured out that they were "UNDER CONTROL."

And what do you mean control?
Well, I mean legislation that cuts off every right and freedom you have until you are dependent on the government for every last comfort and security measure instilled to keep you in place. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. The Patriot Act is a healthy start. Then there's the re-working of the Geneva Conventions to allow torture etc.

Are people so out of control that they need to be gripped?
Gee...I don't know. Take a look at this thread and tell me what you see.

What in your personal life is so important to the government that they would want control over it?
Remember what I said about being good little consumers? Well, just so you know, you're bought and sold everyday by advertisers seeking to find ways into your wallet. There are little things called demographics, psychographics and geographics research performed by companies that literally answer to the government on a daily, if not hourly basis that seeks to define every purchasing behavior of every consumer. MONEY is a strong motivator for seeking CONTROL on every facet of human thought. Now, if you couldn't answer some of these basic questions yourself then I really don't offer a prize to you for your ability to critically think.

[edit on 26-12-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]

To give a generalisation of what Differentiates an Al Quaeda Attack from a Simple False Flag attack.

9/11, London, Istanbul, many of the Baghdad attacks, the Kenyan Hotel attacks, The Indian attacks, Madrid and the attack in Mumbai were all Multiple attacks within the timespan of a hour or less. Co-Ordinated attacks either using cell-phone devices, IED devices, Suicide Bombers or Guerilla warfare.

False Flag events however are generally the lone bombers who suddenly improvise plans that are so far-fetched, as this recent event, that it would put Spooks or Mission Impossible to shame. Are we to believe these lone bombers are the very same Al Quaeda informants being carried out on lone missions when their intelligence could be put to better use for the masses of their campaign? It makes no strateigic sense for O.B.L to be sending out his best men for missions like this when theres so many "spares" offering. This is what seperates the true Al Quaeda bombing missions from simple Flase Flag ones designed to instill fear into us.

People should only hijack a thread if you agree with their assessment?

Discussion of the Islamic nations is relevant. If you can stomach the non-stop 911 false flag posts, surely you can stomach someone questioning other groups.

Contrary to Popular Internet Opinion of the West, there really are people and groups that hate you. And want power. And feel that what they are entitled to is kept from them by you. And would be happy to own your butt. Screaming False Flag over and over in a semi-narcissitic Only We Have the Power To Attack Us way doesn't make that go away.

Originally posted by merkava
reply to post by JJay55

 

Can we please stay on topic?

I can just see this thread being hijacked by you as you normally do on every islam related thread.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

Well there are far more efficient ways to achieve what you have described rather than risk an airplane full of people. Sorry, not buying it... because I'm a consumer and have a choice.
Have a nice day.