love?

i have been wondering this question for a long time, does love really exists? if love does indeed exists, then how do we define love? is it unconditional? or is it conditional.

for me, the definition of love is unconditional, kinda like a mother's love for her child. a love so great that no matter what, the mother will always love her child. i don't really consider a romantic love share by a couple to be real love because it's not true. true love is that no matter what the other person did, you will always love them. the romantic love doesn't share that quality, you can often hear people that broke up say "i hate that bastard", then i always think to myself, how can you hate someone you love?

the meaning of life can sometimes be found in love. a example i know is about a depress woman. she is depressed quite a bit for sometimes, then months after, she gave birth to a baby. after the birth she is no longer depressed nor sad. she is much happier now and full of energy i never seen before. what i am trying to say here is that the meaning of life doesn't need to be some awe inspiring godsent event, it can be something as simple as a love affection.

now here's the question i have to ask. do you guys believe that
A. is love worth the time to wait? even if it's a lifetime?

B. is love our savior or our greatest destruction

C. if a person never love, not even if at time when she/he dies, did she/he waste her life?

Originally posted by 2009

now here's the question i have to ask. do you guys believe that
A. is love worth the time to wait? even if it's a lifetime?

If it was meant to happen and i was absolutely positive it was destiny. I fail to see though why anyone would wait until their 80's for that sort of love, by then you'd have one foot in the grave, but a whole lot of patience too.

B. is love our savior or our greatest destruction

good question.

C. if a person never love, not even if at time when she/he dies, did she/he waste her life?

i don't think a day that passes could be considered a waste as we are ever learning for reasons we many never understand until we've passed from this life.

Living in a holographic universe,ahem, it's hard to tell what's real and whats not however, there are many stages of love. The ultimate stage to me would be the final one which is unconditional love. I'm doubtful most human beings will ever obtain to that level though being self consumed and judgemental.

good answer sapphire, maybe we won't even know the answer to life until the moment when we die. i knew a few mothers that have unconditional love toward their childrens. i know my mom does because she still love me despite the countless times i failed to be a son... but it's true, human have always shown excellence in hate rather then in love.

faith in humanity? .1% for now

A. is love worth the time to wait? even if it's a lifetime?

Yes. Most definitely. I am 40 and have been through more frogs then you can EVER imagine. Then I found Pisky (online of all places lol) and we have been together now nearly 5 years and just celebrated our 1st wedding anni.

Believe ME, I was my share of jaded, but I know that if I had closed my heart and given up hope (and believe me, I have been broken up with and heartbroken so many times I can't even count !) that it was all over for me. I kept it upfront in my mind and heart that true love was possible because I'd SEEN it with my own eyes.

It also helps that you aren't desperately searching for it. It would appear(and this almost always seems to be the case), that you are most likely to find that ONE person when you are busy living your life and enjoying it as a single person, rather then thinking "all my friends have boyfriends and I don't !" (and YES, I have thought this myself...many, MANY times...you don't get to be 40 without going around THAT particular corner at least a half dozen times...lol just kidding some people meet their soulmates at very early ages, but that only means that you are ready. Some people aren't. There are things they need to learn FIRST. I guess I was one of those).

B. is love our savior or our greatest destruction

Our savior, of course.

There are two basic emotions that rule in this world. These would be, of course, love and hate.

Now...consider how hate makes you feel, then consider how love makes you feel. Take a few moments to reflect on this.

Even when love (what seems like true love at the time, I KNOW) hurts like HELL and you go through every single one of Elizabeth Kubler Ross's 5 stages of Grief during a painful, nearly teeth gritting breakup. And everyone around you is telling you to just 'get over it and get on with it'....it is really any worse then keeping your heart open to the possibility that maybe that person was just not right for you (i know, this takes time) and that just maybe your chance for real love still exists ? Yes. It's all about faith. It really is. Because unless you are open to the possibility, it CANNOT happen. That's just a fact. If your heart and mind are inpenetrable, forget it.

So...I ask the question again. Is love the good guy or the bad guy ?

(sorry about the link relating to death. You see, many people and groups continue to use Elizabeth Kubler Ross's model as an example, purely because it FITS. Grief applies to when we lose ANYTHING that we have come to value deeply in our hearts. That includes breaking up with someone, or even something so relatively simple as losing our car keys. We STILL go through the five stages of grief.)


C. if a person never love, not even if at time when she/he dies, did she/he waste her life?

Of course not. Because while it may seem that way on first glance, with careful examination the average person will realize that they have indeed loved many times. This person may not meet their soulmate in this incarnation, but this is for reasons of emotional and soul maturity. As I said before, I was nearly 36 before I found mine. (but for all you impatient souls..relax..'meeting your true soulmate' stories vary tremendously in age)


Ok..sorry guys, not to write a Tome here but I just have a lot to say on this subject and feel that 2009 REALLY needs help here (and I can't stand to think of anybody hurting, so I tend to go overboard lol)

Lastly...unconditional love is always preferable. This is what Pisky and I share. He has seen me at my worst moments as I have seen him and we STILL love each other..only STRONGER.

You just can't place conditions on love. I could use the example of what's going on in my favourite soap as an example here:

Ryan claims to love Kendall to pieces. YET !!!! Ryan nails Kendalls heart to the wall because she has an insecurity problem and refuses to accept Greenlee as a friend and co-worker (Greenlee is probably the most gorgeous woman in town by the way and has nearly sent Kendall to prison by revealing in a jealous fit that Kendall wasn't really pregnant, merely protecting her sister)

So...what does "Conditional Love Master" Ryan do ????

Well, he does the same exact thing as any other addict of conditional love DOES. He issues the ULTIMATUM. That being "If you don't change for me...I am OUTTA here"

Of course Kendall does what any sane person would do. She immediately gets her back up and refuses to accept Greenlee and Ryan stabs her in the back by running off and marrying the bitch (yes...you can tell this S/L is pissing me off but I only include it here because it illustrates the point perfectly.)

2009 :

In essence - Keep your heart open, always. Learn to love the other person the way they truly are and your love will be returned a thousand-fold. That's a guarantee.

And never give up your hope.

That's it. Best of luck to you and anyone else out there who may be seriously wondering about this 'love' thing.

KayEm









[Edited on 24-5-2004 by KayEm]

Love is wandering in darkness,
Then Finding the light.
Sometimes its wrong,
yet feels so right.
Sometimes love is pleasure,
and sometimes it's pain.
A moment of sanity,
in a world gone insane.
Love can make you or break you,
it can destroy and rebuild.
In the name of love many have been born,
and many have been killed.

--Darkblade71--

2009,

Yes, a mother's love is unconditional, but you must realise, in most cases, the child has only been born because of the overwhelming love of the mother for the father of the child. The decision to have children is major commitment and responsibility of both parents and requires a unique bond. Fathers also have a very special love for their children.

We all know not all relationships last, but that is no reason not to give love a chance. I totally agree with KayEm that love happens when most unexpected. It is not something you can search for. You must live your life to the full and be content with yourself. There is someone out there for you. Be ready, for love shows itself when you are least expecting it, and you will forget all the time you've been waiting. It will not take long to think you've know each other for ever. Even if you mess up, don't worry. If its meant to happen, you will get another chance. It has to be the right time in both your lives.

As for wasting your time if you don't find love, that certainly isn't true. You are a special person and are here for reason. Just live your life to the full and treat people as you would like to be treated. Be yourself and enjoy your life.

Yeah a mothers love is unconditional, my mom still loves me even though I was a nightmare to raise. And I love my daughter deeper than any romantic love I've had. From the moment I laid eyes on her it was a feeling that was and is overwhelming. My daughter is the reason for my being and she can do no wrong.....

In terms of a soulmate love, I don't know, I am pretty jaded in that arena. But I do have several friends that are in love in every sense. So I know it exists. And I suppose on some level I still love 2 of my x's unconditionally and remain close friends with them.

A. is love worth the time to wait? even if it's a lifetime?

this depends on your own thinking, some will say yes , some will say no, other will say they arent sure. what you think is your answer to this question.

B. is love our savior or our greatest destruction

both, neither, or either or. its been a savior of sorts to me and also been the source of my greatest pain. i haved wallowed in it like a pig wallows in mud and i have loathed it as it though it was an adversary.

C. if a person never love, not even if at time when she/he dies, did she/he waste her life?

in all fairness life is much more than one event, one feeling, one emotion.
i'm not even sure how to answer this. i want to say no the person didnt waste their life, how we spend out life is of our own choosing so no action or inaction can be wrong.

Love = endorphine shooted to the brain.

Don't be fooled by the so-called "emotions" that comes with it. There's nothing magic about it.

It's just another illusion.

Originally posted by m0rbid
Love = endorphine shooted to the brain.

Don't be fooled by the so-called "emotions" that comes with it. There's nothing magic about it.

It's just another illusion.

Glad to see that I am not the only 'Happy' person here!

Originally posted by m0rbid
Love = endorphine shooted to the brain.

Don't be fooled by the so-called "emotions" that comes with it. There's nothing magic about it.

It's just another illusion.

well if you look at that way, then you're just bunch of elements mix together by chance. i think human have gone beyond what we originally design for and more to be what we destine to be

thanks to those who reply, especially kayem, that really helps

Originally posted by 2009

well if you look at that way, then you're just bunch of elements mix together by chance. i think human have gone beyond what we originally design for and more to be what we destine to be

Yeah, well, I believe we're an error so... But whatever, that's another discussion...

I believe in the whole soulmate thing alright. Even the feelings that came with it, although almost four year later after I met him & two year after our marriage I still feel the same about him. (I met him online also) It's an emotion that has never faded over time and I think it never will. Even though he gets on my frickin nerves sometimes, I still love the freak. I think love is a necessity, even if some people think its no more than chemicals mixing or the blessed divine. It's an important staple for humanity and I dont think I would want to live in a world where people no longer expressed love in any form.

-gala

Originally posted by Gala-Kemen
I. It's an important staple for humanity and I dont think I would want to live in a world where people no longer expressed love in any form.

-gala

think of earth without love...ouch. yes, love has advance the human mind and seperate us from beasts

Love is when you care about someone else's happiness and well-being, above your own.....