The Internet will be taken down when we need it most

Oh boo hoo.

This is a civilian tool, not a military tool.

They didn't even do any real damage.

Cry me a river.

reply to post by leftystrat


High power transmissions from every extra dish mounted on a cell phone mast and such like will wipe out radio comms instantly.

Common sense is your best defence, expect to be alone as that is when "they" think you will be at your weakest.

Edit: Seriously someone should give me a job, I would make a great bond villan

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Its my understanding that each country has its own hub to recieve from other hubs [ countries ] to share/connect information from around the world. lets say then, America is targeted by this threat, it would be very easy to break down alot of things in the USA and not just the internet, but financial struture to. Each country could then be targeted in the same way, attcking each hub.......et cetera, and so on.....!!

Having said that, there are back up's in place as well as poepl who would fight to keep it going. So who knows, really what will and could happen?

It is probable, but impossable, IMHO

Be safe and be well.

Hasn't it started already ? :- derrenbrown.co.uk...

great thread ... I totality agree with u in this ... yeah, maybe they really hacked twitter, maybe not ... but they will need to total control in the internet, and this will be IMPOSSIBLE ... everyone who understand how internet works will say that its impossible to control some one if the guy doesn't want to be controlled ...

The internet can't be taken down, there's no way. If that were the case, there would be no piratebay and torrenting. If all the isps shutdown it literally would not matter. All you use isps for is their dns servers. isps aren't the only ones that have dns servers. you don't even need a dns server. just type the ip address of the web site. all a dns server is for is converting abovetopsecret.com to XXX.XXX.XXX where x is numbers. if you just type the numbers you therefore bypass the need of having dns servers. if the govt tries to 'take down' the internet thats a good thing. that means all the idiots with their twitter and myspace will be gone, since they are idiots and don't know how to use technology, thus making plenty of bandwidth available. the internet will be so fast then. I look forward to the shut down of twitter, youtube etc. oh and the bbs will always be there, just a ctrl+r cmd away, untouchable. unless they manually cut down all the wires, ALL of them,then there will always be a way to access internet. now with wireless we don't even need the wires.

reply to post by Faiol


Take out under sea cable and a few sats, take down a few of the very few service providers that act as gateways and the internet is down. It is possible, a good solar storm would give you a prime example assuming you still have a working computer of course.

I think cellular service satellites are more vulnerable that internet servers. The lose of internet and cell service combined would be a major blow since lan lines are not as popular with the majority of the population.

reply to post by pegasi51


Most mast mounts have "military" dishes on them. They just need to turn up the power and that's that as they say. Don't be under any illusion you can only communicate because it's allowed but monitored.

People need to think for themselves and not need twitter to be told when to wipe their butt.

To disable the internet you'd have to litterally burn down the splitbank which is a facility that ISP's and telephone companys use in conjunction with each other to wire a circuit to route data and phone service...

This attack was simply changing information in the dns server that twitter uses on their main servers, matter of about 20 seconds to type in a new primary dns server and the hackers grandmaster plan to foil the world would be void...

I always thought the Internet was designed to withstand Nuclear war, the very backbone has redundancy built in. Meaning you would have to hit every hub at the same time for the information not to find it's destination?

One thing that worries me about Ham or CB radio is security, so I guess a decent encryption and using data burst would be the only way to secure the resistance comms.

"World War III will be a guerilla information war, with no division between military and civilian participation."Marshall McLuhan

The famed Canadian who made this prediction actually died before the advent of the Internet.

Yet as we look around the Internet from blogs to news outlets to official government websites to various other combatants in the War on Terror and their web presence, you can well imagine not only was this bold prediction true but that War is well underway as entities from the Israeli Internet Defense Forces to El Qaeda and every one and thing between fight for the hearts and minds of the citizens of the world in cyber land.

Like it or not, intentionally or not, I am one of the guerilla fighters in these information wars as most of the posters are on ATS and countless other social networking sites across the blogosphere.

The Powers that Be will absolutely not take the Internet Away from us for one simple reason…

It keeps us occupied and affixed to by and large stationary points in the physical universe

They would very much prefer we are here, fighting in the propaganda wars than out on the streets with pitch forks and tar and feathers, destroying state property and menacing that thin blue line that stands between us and the politicians who themselves are an even thinner line which behind dwell the very small numbers of people referred to as the Powers that Be.

Yes we can communicate and in many cases seemingly frustrate their plans, until you stop to ponder and then realize that what the Powers that Be do is create order through chaos, by planning in advance how to utilize and exploit every element that combines to make that chaos.

To us as lone individuals with limited points of view and perspectives and varying degrees of actual actionable intelligence it looks like chaos.

To them as they have orchestrated every one of those circumstances that leads to individual elements viewing things with conflicting perspectives and rancorous arguments and debates about them it is in fact well ordered as one element balances and holds the other in check occupying them in nonproductive or counter productive ways.

The Internet is part collective conscious but it is also part babysitter and entertainer as well as part spy.

What we say and share on the internet becomes part of the public record in perpetuity and to a certain extent it is the rope that some of us will hang ourselves by.

It keeps us engrossed and engaged behind closed doors in fairly solitary ways that helps in fact to prevent mobs from forming and if one does via internet communication they shall know exactly where and when since everything said on the internet is mined and reviewed.

It is a powerful tool for the Powers that Be to sew disinformation, gauge moods and predispositions amongst the various elements and in some cases even provides them precise GPS coordinates of where many people using the Internet actually are.

There is an excellent chance that the Internet even provides the Powers that Be a platform to send Silent Sound Spread Spectrum messages directly to our cerebral cortexes through ultra low and high electronic vibrations that are not even audible to the human ear but can bypass it to go straight to the center of the brain.

When a man like Rockefeller publicly says he hates something and wants to do away with it, that actually means he loves it and would love everyone to have it. Such men often say and proclaim the exact opposite of what they want knowing full well that people will rail against them and do the opposite.

It is how they are able to create order for themselves out of chaos by getting us to fight for exactly what they want by first making us think that what we are attempting to achieve is something they are dead set against.

The Internet is a key and perhaps the most critical element to World War III which will in many ways shall be a virtual war.

We are already in that war people, in case you haven’t noticed most of us are fighting for some kind of agenda, philosophy, religion, movement or government in our posts.

We are in the thick of this war.

Charlie Mike (Continue Mission)

Hi, I've just joined ATS. Interesting post! You mention the conficker worm as a possible tool of disruption to the web. I've found a page on the ZDNet US site that has numerous tools for cleaning up that specific worm from windows machines.

search.zdnet.com...

Hi, I've just joined ATS. Interesting post! You mention the conficker worm as a possible tool of disruption to the web. I've found a page on the ZDNet US site that has numerous tools for cleaning up that specific worm from windows machines.

search.zdnet.com...

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reply to post by chi_z


Please research the origin of the Internet and how it is made up, also the number of intercontinent connections and who owns them. Not as many as you would think, also everything has a weak point. Internet can never fail is such an uneducated statement, sorry for being so harsh no offence ment. Even a decent sized botnet attack applied at the right locations could upset your online day, it takes time for an ISP to black hole bad traffic if the attack is good enough.

DNS does not mean anything if your little DSL connection connects to a router that can't get anywhere. Not an IP architect I guess, Pirate bay and the like exist because it is not worth showing such a valuable hand at the poker table..

reply to post by jameshawkings


The Internet cannot be "taken down" at the simple will of an individual or crooked organization. If the American Government wanted, they could probably cut all the bandwidth from the users under the major American ISP's like AT&T, but like other people have said, the Internet is not in one place. If the Internet in the United States went down somehow, there would still be connections to servers in the rest of the world where there was still a connection and power to PC's and the websites servers. Obviously you can't just "shutdown" a website otherwise the Government would of done it to piracy websites like Torrentz, The Piratebay or Demonoid.

Maybe for you American's it is slight reality, but for the rest of the world, not quite. But keep trying!

Taking the internet down is not that hard. The virus problem is not that big since many servers are running Linux or not Windows operating systems. The easiest way to cripple it is to cut the undersea fiber cables which while it may not down the entire internet, will halt communication between websites hosted in different countries. Even many American sites are hosted in other countries, so it would affect them too. Of course, the cutting of the fiber cables would be blamed on foreign terrorists. I remember hearing in the news that some guy cut an att cable in California. Here's the link-
news article

Police are hunting for vandals who chopped fiber-optic cables and killed landlines, cell phones and Internet service for tens of thousands of people in Santa Clara, Santa Cruz and San Benito counties on Thursday. The sabotage essentially froze operations in parts of the three counties at hospitals, stores, banks and police and fire departments that rely on 911 calls, computerized medical records, ATMs and credit and debit cards. The full extent of the havoc might not be known for days, emergency officials said as they finished repairing the damage late Thursday. Whatever the final toll, one thing is certain: Whoever did this is in a world of trouble if he, she or they get caught. Sponsored Links * Obama Urges Homeowners to RefinanceSee Rates - No Credit Check Needed. ($90,000 Refinance under $489/mo)www.LowerMyBills.com * Obama Backs Auto Insurance RegulationDrivers Pay $44/mo on Avg for Car Insurance. Are you paying too much?Auto-Insurance-Experts.com "I pity the individuals who have done this," said San Jose Police Chief Rob Davis. Ten fiber-optic cables carrying were cut at four locations in the predawn darkness. Residential and business customers quickly found that telephone service was perhaps more laced into their everyday needs than they thought. Suddenly they couldn't draw out money, send text messages, check e-mail or Web sites, call anyone for help, or even check on friends or relatives down the road. Several people had to be driven to hospitals because they were unable to summon ambulances. Many businesses lapsed into idleness for hours, without the ability to contact associates or customers. More than 50,000 landline customers lost service - some were residential, others were business lines that needed the connections for ATMs, Internet and bank card transactions. One line alone could affect hundreds of users. "It was substantial," said John Britton, spokesman for AT&T. Authorities throughout the area said Thursday night that nobody had sought help from fire or police officials. But only the coming hours, and maybe days, will tell if there were emergencies nobody knows about yet. Officials worried that some people might have become incapacitated before they were able to summon help without a phone. "We don't know what this has done to people's lives," said Liz Kniss, president of the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors. "I'm incredibly troubled by it. "We haven't experienced a major catastrophic emergency today. But we don't know."

Originally posted by chi_z
The internet can't be taken down, there's no way. If that were the case, there would be no piratebay and torrenting. If all the isps shutdown it literally would not matter. All you use isps for is their dns servers. isps aren't the only ones that have dns servers. you don't even need a dns server. just type the ip address of the web site. all a dns server is for is converting abovetopsecret.com to XXX.XXX.XXX where x is numbers. if you just type the numbers you therefore bypass the need of having dns servers. if the govt tries to 'take down' the internet thats a good thing. that means all the idiots with their twitter and myspace will be gone, since they are idiots and don't know how to use technology, thus making plenty of bandwidth available. the internet will be so fast then. I look forward to the shut down of twitter, youtube etc. oh and the bbs will always be there, just a ctrl+r cmd away, untouchable. unless they manually cut down all the wires, ALL of them,then there will always be a way to access internet. now with wireless we don't even need the wires.

Sorry but the majority of your post is pure bunk. Clearly you have demonstrated an unparalleled ignorance of how the Internet works. Yes DNS is a part of the big picture and yes you can use IP addresses directly. However you need to route packets and that's where ISP's come in. They route data, amongst other things, based on routing protocols so that A can get to B. It's not magic. Radios are a different story.

brill

reply to post by jameshawkings


How do you know it was a false flag attack?

Do you know anyone directly involved with the Iranian Cyber attack party?

Do you work for twitter?

I dunno... some of the stuff you guys put on this site

On the other hand if it was a false flag attack then i already i have my radio.... an old one which still works on mono/stereo and isnt digital.... just need a few new batteries which i'll get soon....

I honestly think that this will never happen... and if it does, it would be the biggest mistake TPTB will have ever made.

Like numerous people have already said in this thread, the internet is the only thing that is keeping people on their arses instead of out on the street.

I can tell you, from a young adult perspective, an attack on the internet would be like a global attack on the youth of the western world. If one event would cause the youth to rise up and defeat TPTB, an event such as this would be it.

Think about how many industries, and how many parts of the economy are now centered around the internet. To take it down would be to throw us into chaos, and just take a look at chaos throughout history to see what happens to the people who initiate it:

Country: France, late 1700's
TPTB: Royalty
Action: Denying people food, bankrupting the country, denying a republic similar to that of England's
Result: French Revolution, execution of royal family

Country: USA 1776
TPTB: England
Action: Denying citizens basic rights, and taxing them to bankruptcy
Result: American Revolution

Country: Russia, 1917
TPTB: Royalty
Action: Continuation of a brutal war, citizens in poverty, country out of control
Result: Russian Revolution and establishment of communist regime

Country: Cuba
TPTB: US investors and crime lords
Action: Turning Cuba into the front for their illegal activities, basically a dirtier las vegas
Result: Cuban Revolution

Take away the infrastructure and the access to basic needs (which one could argue the internet has become), and bye-bye TPTB