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Reality, in the modern conception, appears as a tremendous hierarchical order of organized entities, leading, in a superposition of many levels, from physical and chemical to biological and sociological systems. Such hierarchical structure and combination into systems of ever higher order, is characteristic of reality as a whole and is of fundamental importance especially in biology, psychology and sociology. (Wilber 57)
Chemical and biological forms are repeated not because they are determined by changeless laws or eternal Forms, but because of a causal influence from previous similar forms. This influence would require an action across space and time unlike any known type of physical action. (Sheldrake 93)
The human mind can be considered to have three major divisions. First, there is the analytical mind; second, there is the reactive mind; and third, there is the somatic mind. (Hubbard 59)
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” – Genesis 2:16-17
To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children.” – Genesis 3:16
…but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden…' - Genesis 3:2
Originally posted by tgidkp
reply to post by troubleshooter
thank you for your feedback.
granted, the eden story is all about God; so i do recognize the ground i am walking on. but none of the authors i have referenced speak of a God (proper). the closest that they come is an "omega point" which resonates "backward from the future". this is probably only a semantical point, but i feel it is valid: people have every right to question the idea of an omnicient being as it has been sold over the ages.
on the other hand, i believe that there are ways of quantifying and studying consciousness which can be meaningful and even technologically productive, while avoiding the negative connotations or religion. that is what i have tried to do with my paper.
i just want everyone to play nicely together for once, ya know?
so, to reinterpret what you have said into the new terminology, we can say this: man, himself, cannot generate his own future state, as the future state of any system is determined by bodies larger than and indeterminate from his own perspective (such as society). man tries to propagate his own solid bodies into the future, not realizing that the future is not made of solid bodies, but rather, of bodies that are indeterminate from his own perspective.
we (humanity) are alright with evolution pressing itself forward from the past, but we seem to freak out a little at the thought of a "future state" emanating backward. but do your internal organs freak out about the thought of YOU? *you* are the "future state" of your internal organs, and your intelligent choices resonate backward in time toward them.
it really is a pretty simple concept, and has significant implications. it is the sort of thing that i want to shout from the rooftops, but i think i dont have much of an audience. boo hoo.
Originally posted by troubleshooter
Originally posted by tgidkp
reply to post by troubleshooter
thank you for your feedback.
granted, the eden story is all about God; so i do recognize the ground i am walking on. but none of the authors i have referenced speak of a God (proper). the closest that they come is an "omega point" which resonates "backward from the future". this is probably only a semantical point, but i feel it is valid: people have every right to question the idea of an omnicient being as it has been sold over the ages.
on the other hand, i believe that there are ways of quantifying and studying consciousness which can be meaningful and even technologically productive, while avoiding the negative connotations or religion. that is what i have tried to do with my paper.
i just want everyone to play nicely together for once, ya know?
so, to reinterpret what you have said into the new terminology, we can say this: man, himself, cannot generate his own future state, as the future state of any system is determined by bodies larger than and indeterminate from his own perspective (such as society). man tries to propagate his own solid bodies into the future, not realizing that the future is not made of solid bodies, but rather, of bodies that are indeterminate from his own perspective.
we (humanity) are alright with evolution pressing itself forward from the past, but we seem to freak out a little at the thought of a "future state" emanating backward. but do your internal organs freak out about the thought of YOU? *you* are the "future state" of your internal organs, and your intelligent choices resonate backward in time toward them.
it really is a pretty simple concept, and has significant implications. it is the sort of thing that i want to shout from the rooftops, but i think i dont have much of an audience. boo hoo.
I know how you feel...
...I have discovered things about life that I want to shout from the rooftops too...
...but no-one willl hear you until they are ready.
I have read Sheldrake's books...I like him...
...I have read Hubbard too but I didn't like him.
What you are describing from my perspective is the husk that remains of humanity once the Spirit was vacated...
...Paul describes it as 'the natural man'...
...and I can understand that you can't really include this in your current discussion...
...because it only known by revelation and only by those who receive it.
I heard in your discussion the echo of past ideas thought on my way to where I am now.
The Spirit has returned to my husk of humanity and that is what I am shouting now.
Originally posted by troubleshooter
...I have read Hubbard too but I didn't like him.
Originally posted by SpacePunk
Well, your quoting dianetics, and LRH so I have no choice but to call it all bunk, and a huge load of poopoo.
Originally posted by tgidkp
however, for myself, Hubbard has produced some of the most enlightening texts i have ever read. i am always frustrated when people dismiss the subject of scientology. how do you know that LRH didnt write up the "crazy stuff" as a preventative measure to keep lower level thinkers out.
congratulations, spacepunk, for being a low-level thinker. any further criticisms of LRH will not be heard.
focus on the content, folks!!!