Norway: UFO “Hyperdimensional Portal Area” over Hessdalen.

reply to post by mcrom901


Friend!
Another confirm that the entire AREA is full of this "Mysterious Phenomena"!

reply to post by Imagir


1GW? May I have a link to where this value was calculated?

reply to post by Imagir


there seems to be a somewhat similar phenomenon happening in australia too...



min min lights..... hmmmm...... then you also have "ignis fatuus"....

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reply to post by mcrom901


In the desert, once again, it seems that the desert is where most of these things have been sited. My guess is that the dry air is more appealing to these plasma forms.

Hmmm.

Originally posted by mcrom901
reply to post by Imagir

 

there seems to be a somewhat similar phenomenon happening in australia too...

min min lights..... hmmmm...... then you also have "ignis fatuus"....

[edit on 30/12/09 by mcrom901]

Right Mcrom,
But in Australia these lights are called whit the real name: Unidentified Flying Objects!

I have a nice idea:

You can watch Hessdalen webcam here:

www.hessdalen.org...

Then download and install free "Ufo capture free" program:

sonotaco.com...

Now you can use your surveillance camera (webcam + software) and if there is strange lights moving in Hessdalen, your software records movie clip.

Originally posted by hande
I have a nice idea:

You can watch Hessdalen webcam here:

www.hessdalen.org...

Then download and install free "Ufo capture free" program:

sonotaco.com...

Now you can use your surveillance camera (webcam + software) and if there is strange lights moving in Hessdalen, your software records movie clip.

Thanks for sharing these links! Vey interesting!

reply to post by Imagir


I;ve fagged your post and watched the vids but i'm still not convinced what these people are seeing are UFO's.... i'm thinking more along the lines of 'Northern Lights' but this is more kinda electricity mixing with some other form of energy which creates these shooting lights.... i dunno though as i'm no expert but this is what it seems from the footage.... similar to lightning

[edit on 30-12-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


Thanks, for your opinion.

But What it is indeed strange, besides the hundreds of true sights of UFO like Discs, Cigars and Triangles, in the entire area, are the proportions, the sincronicity and the power of some of those “lights”.

Some “lights” are measured in tens of meters of diameter and with a power irradiating of beyond ONE MEGAWAT.
This is an enormous power.

Which unknown energy one hides behind these phenomena?
How these lights do to assume characteristics shapes in disc, sigar and triangle?
Why they don't create accidental/random effects and they stop on the area where appear suddenly and vanishing, but they assume intelligent attitudes, and flying away at hypersonic speed?

Questions...

reply to post by Imagir


Any videos or photos of these lights assuming the shapes of a cigar or a triangle? Videos of them moving at hypersonic speeds?
What happened to GIGAwatt?

reply to post by DGFenrir


Didn't you bother to look at the links on the first page of the thread?

There are considerable amounts of pictures out there, and some people refuse to believe what they are seeing.

reply to post by poet1b


i guess the weird thing about this phenomenon is that it contains traces of 'scandium'..... which is a very hard metal....

moreover.....

A 3-D analysis of photo frames shows that the luminous phenomenon doesn't resemble canonical plasma features (a sharply gaussian PSF) unless the light phenomenon is caused by one recently discovered natural light-ball of BL type whose light-distribution (PSF) might be able to simulate an uniformly illuminated solid.

source



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Originally posted by DGFenrir
What happened to GIGAwatt?

is that figure contradictory to the results which you came up with your calculations?

reply to post by Imagir


True... i suppose the larger shaped objects are harder to explain... but are they saying that they dissappear into the mountains? I'm presuming they land somewhere in Hesselind (in the mountains/hills).... there's obviously some kind of magnetic substance in the area which is seen the videos... energy of a type... this phenomena has been seen since early 80's?

Why are the cameras so far away?

Why not camp right where the lights are?

If i was to go investigate these phenomena i'd go right into the light if i could....

My opinion: if there is place where is real ufo activity many years there should be lots of cameras etc. We need clear evidence.

Right now I don't know what to think. I hope that there is ufo/ alien base in Norway.

I believe, we as human beings are starting to scratch the surface on physics and materials science. I have an interest in science of all kinds and consider myself to have a broad background which allows me to excel within my profession as I usually piece different things together to solve complex problems. As Zorgon says, it's not what's published, it's what's NOT published. Very astute.

I found this whole subject fascinating to say the least concerning the Bob White object and the Hessdalen investigation that is ongoing (they even have a web cam that post a pic every second, sometimes you can see the phenomenon they discuss). One aspect of these had me thinking and it wasn't until today that I realized what it was.

Advance Note: ATS has an excellent search function. USE IT! If you are not familiar with what I am discussing. I don't have the time to bring everyone to the detail I have researched. I will be summarizing.

Stick with this logic and please give me your thoughts.

1. Now good old Bob White (God rest his sole - amazing no one is trying to say he was killed to stop him from investigating this) found this object that was mostly aluminum, but none the less an alloy never seen before. Now what bothered me was that there was an unknown trace element).

In the 40's, another object was found in Denmark that was very, eerily similar (declassified American government document).

“That hasn't happened. But White isn't discouraged. This week's History Channel show is a sign of public interest, he believes. And he recently learned that his may not be the only known example of "hard evidence."
"They found an object that looks just like mine in Denmark back in the 1940s," White says. "We got a government report that had been 'classified' for years. On the cover are the words 'Recovered from flying saucer in Denmark.' Inside are photos of the thing — and it looks exactly like mine." - Bob White

The most recent analysis came up with:

“Physicist Chris Ellis, expert in solid state physics, aluminum alloys, and superconductors. Test result showed the object is an alloy of unknown origin. It is also his expert opinion that this is a manufactured alloy.
Research Scientist David Lamb, expert in physics and material science. Also works at a major US university. Findings were achieved using X-Ray Diffraction Analysis: The artifact showed an unique “amorphous peak and is a polycrystalline semiconductor”. To his knowledge this type of material is not found anywhere on Earth. Also there is silver concentration of 4.3%, here on Earth silver is used in this form by experimental scientist as a catalyst for a superconductor. It is sprayed over aluminum and thus is in small amounts as we see here from the test results. He postulated that this could be used on a craft as a way to dispel magnetic fields, especially in space as there is no energy expenditure needed for superconductivity. Lamb has further speculated that this artifact is in fact a “quasi-crystal of complex structure.” This is only in its early stages on Earth in the form of nanotechnology. “ - Larry Cekander Lead Projects coordinator Museum of the Unexplained
These results are current as of May 2009
By the way, Larry posts on these boards as well!

2. During the 20+ years of investigating the UFO's in Hessdalen Norway (same place as the Norway Spiral - and use the search box to read this post as it's fascinating as well) element traces from scientists detected Oxygen, Silicon (pretty common elements in dust) and - are you ready for this - SCANDIUM! I swear this is a legit element (Google it)

Scandium is very rare and is mostly found, guess where? That's right Scandinavia (or Denmark).
Scandium does not have a particularly low abundance in the earth's crust. Estimates vary from 18 to 25 ppm, which is comparable to the abundance of cobalt (20–30 ppm). However, scandium is distributed sparsely and occurs in trace amounts in many minerals.[10] Rare minerals from Scandinavia. - Wikepedia
But guess where it is even more abundant?

Scandium is more common in the sun and certain stars than on Earth. Scandium is only the 50th most common element on earth (35th most abundant in the Earth's crust), but it is the 23rd most common element in the sun.
- Wikipedia

So what is Scandium used for? Well it is used in some lighting as it gives a realistic hue to natural sunlight – great for making a movie, or for:

The addition of scandium to aluminum limits the excessive grain growth that occurs in the heat-affected zone of welded aluminum components. This has two beneficial effects: the precipitated Al3Sc forms smaller crystals than are formed in other aluminium alloys[21] and the volume of precipitate-free zones that normally exist at the grain boundaries of age-hardening aluminum alloys is reduced.[21] Both of these effects increase the usefulness of the alloy. - Wikipedia

So what does this mean? Well for metallurgy, unstable grain growth is a very, very bad thing for nanotechnology as grain growth or nucleation will destroy a device. Oh, and did I mention that adding Scandium to another metal to create an alloy also raises the melting temp of said alloy.
Oh, and the Soviets have been using Scandium for decades in high performance jet fighters.

So, what do you think? Here's the dots.....

reply to post by mcrom901


Wow, what an excellent find.

Didn't read all of it, but most of it.

I didn't find any mention of scandium, but Zirconium in the form of Zirconium Silicate was found in a radioactive sample taken from a spot where one of these spherical UFOs were said to have been at one point in time. Zirconium being very well known for its use in making fake diamonds apparently is mostly used by the nuclear power industry because it does not easily absorb neutrons, and is apparently highly resistant to corrosion.

They make this comment about the possibility of it being plasma.

hessdalen.hiof.no...

But if we hypothesize that we are dealing with a “self-confined plasma”, namely a mixture of ions and electrons which is trapped by a strong magnetic field and self-maintaned by a strong central force similar to gravity, it might be assumed that heat loss and transfer outside by electron conduction is avoided (see Appendix 3) and constancy of temperature guaranteed for all the phenomenon’s duration.

Bohm observed several decades ago that plasma can create a membrane like a living cell. Then this phenomenon could remain self-confined or contained by such a membrane. I am surprised that the researcher did not bring this up.

This would also explain what we see in the tether incident, and numerous other NASA videos taken in space. Maybe we should post a link to tis on the tether thread.

This report has been conducted very scientifically, and I don't see how anyone could read this report and not come to the conclusion that this is real. It seems that this study validates what so many have been claiming for thousands of years.

They had some interesting perspectives on the possibility of this phenomenon having intelligence. Considering the tales of foo fighters, and their seemingly similarity to what they studied in Hessdalen, I think it would be hard to believe that these are not intelligent, at least at some level.

Norway certainly has the money, I wonder why they are not funding more research for this phenomenon. A far better understanding of this phenomenon could very possibly lead to enormous scientific break through, and who know, we might come into communication with an amazing species that might have considerable intelligence.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by DGFenrir

 

Didn't you bother to look at the links on the first page of the thread?

There are considerable amounts of pictures out there, and some people refuse to believe what they are seeing.

I must've missed the part where they showed the lights taking the shapes mentioned. Could you point it out for me? I only see a few formations which resemble a triangle or a cigar. And the shape of the formation largely depends on the angle it was viewed from.

Originally posted by mcrom901

Originally posted by DGFenrir
What happened to GIGAwatt?

is that figure contradictory to the results which you came up with your calculations?

It's contradictory with the figure given to use by that same member on the previous page.

The fact that the researchers found that the orbs contain scandium is a dead giveaway.

Originally posted by DGFenrir

The fact that the researchers found that the orbs contain scandium is a dead giveaway.

It looks like the Russians are up to something.

I hadn't really looked into the norway lights until I saw something about a shooting in Finland.

In 2003 only three mines produced scandium: the uranium and iron mines in Zhovti Vody in Ukraine, the rare earth mines in Bayan Obo, China and the apatite mines in the Kola peninsula, Russia.

en.wikipedia.org...

A map of the russian kola peninsula which is directly north of finland.

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reply to post by poet1b


Haven't had time to read through the updates in this thread, but there seems to be a lot of accidental [?] misinformation.

The 2004 paper is really the canonical guide to shapes, what tiime the lights were observed, etc:

www.scientificexploration.org...

Mostly the scientists were concerned with documenting that there were sightings of unknown phenomena and in which times they occur, rather than what they are, although they do talk about plasma, earth lights etc. The leading theory seems to be some kind of phenomena involving what they would describe as 'earth lights' and plasma like.

However, from the available documents Massimo Teodorani is the least conservative of the scientists involved. I suspect most of the scientists involved wouldn't be drawn, outside of personal opinion, as to what they actually are. Such a huge difference between personal opinion and scientific opinion, which doesn't always come across well in documentaries .

The EMBLA 2002 document produced an excellent rebuttal that needs to be read by anyone interested in the phenomena:

www.itacomm.net...

Worth reading because I think it found some plausible flaws with the 2002 study, but concludes there probably is unknown phenomena in Hessdalen, and ways in which the survey could be improved.