If You Want to Stop Terrorism, Stop Killing Muslims!

Originally posted by Itami
Well first i wanna start off by stating that terrorists are always categorized or identified by the stronger government, society, or just a very influential media. Therefore, I believe that the word terrorism today is used by governments of both west and eastern origin as an excuse in order to engage in war. The definition of the word terrorism provided in this forum is adequate but you must also think about the generation a terrorist exists in, his motives, his enemies, study his enemies and their motives as well, create an analysis and verify how guilty both parties are. America has lost its faith in its methods of dealing justice around the world ever since Vietnam and I believe all Americans and everyone in the world can agree on that.

Referring to the WWII Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing, which some people believe was an act of terror or a war crime, I believe that it was not necessary for America to exterminate 120,000 civilians in order to prevail. The Soviet Union was at the Japanese doorstep getting ready to invade as much as America was, the only problem America had was that the USSR had already taken out Hitler and conquered Berlin and Belgium ending the war in Europe, destroying the Nazi regime. If Russia managed to take out Japan as well, which was only a matter of time, the victory would be Russia's to take and celebrate and that was something America did not want. America's bombing was a hastened act in order to achieve victory before Russia and make its mark in history, and it worked.

Another topic i would like to address is the Israeli/Arab conflict in the Middle East. First of all i would like to clarify that i am not here to agitate anyone but only want to form a debate in order to educate myself further as well as engage in an interesting conversation. I for one, am against the Israeli occupation of Palestine, which in my opinion, represents the very form of aggression, terrorism, immorality, and corruption. People around the world are against America's foreign political affairs because of its support for Israel. All 350 million Arabs in the Middle East despise the Zionist Regime and claim it to be the most extreme form of evil a human being can express in this world (notice how i labeled Israel as a Zionist regime and not a legitimate Jewish movement). The only thing keeping the Arabs contained is the corrupt dictators and kings who were appointed by the British Empire after WWII and are being backed up, protected, funded, and supported politically by the American government. So when you have a world power that claims to be the ally of freedom, justice, and all that is good in this world support the worst, most corrupt, most evil agitators and help them stay in leadership positions, your bound to have people terrorize that country. 1.5 million Iraqi's died so far in the Iraqi war which has lasted for what? a few years? yet Saddam killed 50,000 civilians total in a time span of 30 years but he is the terrorist, he is the aggression and the spurt of evil. Keep in mind that it was Britain, France, and America that appointed Saddam in Iraq, financed his military and political procedures, and supported his fight against the democratic, people appointed government of Iran.

Iran, which use to be the most respected ally of the western countries, was the worst country in the Middle East in terms of its terrorism acts on its people, inflicting fear into the hears of all Iranians to force submission and threaten all Arabian countries not to engage in a war with Israel. Yet after the people of Iran fought desperately to take down this corrupt leadership and appoint a people representative as president, this man becomes the source of evil in the eyes of American media and becomes a threat to all that is peaceful in this world and must be dealt with. In other words, America does not want the Middle Eastern countries to be ruled by people for the people because it is against American international interests. Keep in mind that even though this is from a thorough study Ive done on the internet, it still represents my point of view of the world.

Hosni Embarak, president of Egypt, is supported and protected by the American government, heck even Condoleezza Rice compliments him on hearings and proclaim the American Egyptian relationship to be a strong, peaceful, positive relationship. 80 Million Egyptians would beg to differ. This man as openly rigged elections, imprisoned any candidate that posed a threat, terrorized his people in order to force his law and his ideals and yet he is supported by the American government. Why would America support a dictator like this man? because he cares about American interests in Egypt more than Egyptian interests. King Hussein on another note, the former king of Jordan, was another dictator who was appointed by the British Empire and was supported by the American government, the French government, and the British government. King Abdulla II, current leader of Jordan, is supported by the western governments yet he is a corrupt leader that only thinks about his personal interests and people also have reason to believe that he can be a western agent just like his father was. Yes, king Hussein turned out to be a British undercover agent appointed king by the British Empire in order to enforce British policies and rules. By the way, these are facts released by the British government not so long ago.

King Farouk, a man who was supported by the western governments, was a dictator that terrorized his people and killed the Egyptian people if he had to in order to make his point. When he was overthrown by the Egyptian republican movement, and a new president elected by the people came forth, Gamal Abdul Nasser, that man was seen as a terrorists to the western world, a danger to the peace of the world and an imperialist, yet he was against all imperialism and he was a socialist reformer and believed in the word of the people, his goal in life was to unite the Arabs under one banner in a democratic government. in fact, the former Arabian Republic loved that man so much that when he stepped out of power in 1967 after the 6 day war, the people refused to appoint any other man. All 350 million Arabs today believe that he was the greatest Arab leader during the 20th century yet he was proclaimed to be a terrorist and a dictator by the western countries...I hope my point is clear and concise.

If you want to solve the terrorist dilemma the west is having with the east...or so says the media, you should try to support more democratic governments in the Middle East and have them subdue criminals of their own countries rather than invading and wasting American lives in useless operations that only lead to further hatred and further bloodshed and thus subsequently creating a generation that would think only to proceed on this path.

edit on 23-11-2010 by Itami because: In accordance with the topic at hand.

I agree with you on the majority of your reply. Great *facts* to back up your point. I do disagree though about WW2 Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This WAS a World War. They attacked our country including killing many civilians as well as military personnel at Pearl Harbor. They surrendered shortly after the A Bombs were dropped, therefore whether people think it was "Unjust", it obviously worked.

Originally posted by ugie1028
If You Want to Stop Terrorism, Stop Killing Muslims.

How about muslims stop killing muslims. List of Islamic terror attacks And then, how about Muslims actually become the religion of peace, instead of just paying lip service to that title?

Originally posted by ugie1028
they didn't just start blowing themselves up out of nowhere. there had to be a cause.

Sure .. the cause is their Qu'ran and their faux-prophet. The Qu'ran is the instruction manual on how to spread Islam at the point of a bloody sword. It's how Islam spread through N. Africa and the Middle East. It swooped in and destroyed ancient and vibrant civilizations and enslaved or killed millions of people. Their faux-prophet was a thief and a murderer who set the example for the behavior of future muslims.

FACT - Muslims have been mass murdering people who don't believe like them for CENTURIES. It's part of their religion to have to have some enemy - real or imagined - to fight against. When none were around, they'd go looking for them in other lands. The statement 'if you want to stop terrorism, stop killing muslims' .. is ignorant of the facts.

But if we stop killing Muslims or any one else, it would ruin the plans of a new world government, not to mention might cause peace and where is the money in that?

Of course it's all in our best interest!, our government wouldn't lie and not kill anyone who doesn't deserve it now would they.

there are only government terrorists. the rest are just simple freedom fighters trying to get a sammich, before the real terrorists gets the meal

Originally posted by Carseller4
This guy has it backwards. The more Muslims we kill, the less terrorists there will be. Simple Math.

Star for you for being grounded in reality.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by Carseller4
This guy has it backwards. The more Muslims we kill, the less terrorists there will be. Simple Math.

Star for you for being grounded in reality.

I cant believe the response some people have...people would go so far as to discriminate against a group of people rather than EVER admit the flaws of their governments and the crimes that have been committed. Stop clapping and handing out stars to people that want an entire population exterminated because of a group of radicals. The level of ignorance that you people demonstrate in this forum is so vile that i dont even want to reply...you dont use reason but choose to zoom in on a few radical terrorists and officially portray them as the representatives of all Muslims and Arabs. Whether you belive it or not, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not solving the issue but rather increasing the amount of damage to the civilan population and thus creating more radicals that would want to exact the same amount of damage on US soil.

When you want to destroy a terrorist organization, you dont invade a country and occupy an entire country it till the job is done. You conduct operations that would further the progress until the goal is met. When America invades and occupies a country for years, it shows that they dont want to bring peace but rather exploit the natural resources of that country until its dry and leave it for better or worse. In fact, American officials are now trying to wash their hands off the whole Iraqi war dilemma saying "oh well its the job of the people to bring peace, we did our job which is killing saddam...everything else is none of our concen". This is such bull#, when you destroy the policing of a country by destroying the organization heading it, your bound to have chaos in the country. America in 1975 had a black out which lasted for 12 hours in New York and look at the damage that occured in those 12 hours, New York went bankcrupt and the domestic chaos and murder was just unbearable. That is a black out, imagine if you removed the American government for 3 years or so, the state would be so much worse than what Iraq is going through right now.

Originally posted by Itami

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by Carseller4
This guy has it backwards. The more Muslims we kill, the less terrorists there will be. Simple Math.

Star for you for being grounded in reality.

I cant believe the response some people have...people would go so far as to discriminate against a group of people rather than EVER admit the flaws of their governments and the crimes that have been committed. Stop clapping and handing out stars to people that want an entire population exterminated because of a group of radicals. The level of ignorance that you people demonstrate in this forum is so vile that i dont even want to reply...you dont use reason but choose to zoom in on a few radical terrorists and officially portray them as the representatives of all Muslims and Arabs. Whether you belive it or not, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not solving the issue but rather increasing the amount of damage to the civilan population and thus creating more radicals that would want to exact the same amount of damage on US soil.

When you want to destroy a terrorist organization, you dont invade a country and occupy an entire country it till the job is done. You conduct operations that would further the progress until the goal is met. When America invades and occupies a country for years, it shows that they dont want to bring peace but rather exploit the natural resources of that country until its dry and leave it for better or worse. In fact, American officials are now trying to wash their hands off the whole Iraqi war dilemma saying "oh well its the job of the people to bring peace, we did our job which is killing saddam...everything else is none of our concen". This is such bull#, when you destroy the policing of a country by destroying the organization heading it, your bound to have chaos in the country. America in 1975 had a black out which lasted for 12 hours in New York and look at the damage that occured in those 12 hours, New York went bankcrupt and the domestic chaos and murder was just unbearable. That is a black out, imagine if you removed the American government for 3 years or so, the state would be so much worse than what Iraq is going through right now.

edit on 2-12-2010 by Itami because: (no reason given)

Terrorism is a response and never used as a first strike option. If what was going on in Palestine now was occuring in the US make no mistake that a bunch of people would be willing to commit terrorism here.

For everlasting freedom and democracy to take hold firmly it must come from within and it will not work if via gunpoint.

As I've stated previously is that you cannot cut down a rebellion without first addressing its root cause. We stateside used to go after the response and not the catalyst. Nowadays we are addressing the causes.

Invading a foreign land will not ever eliminate terror and will always cause it this I do wholeheartedly agree with.

Hence why that there will no longer be any petrolchem produced transportation to be produced new by 2030.

"If You Want to Stop Terrorism, Stop Killing Muslims!"

Sorry, but it doesn't work.

I haven't killed a Muslim all week, but the government are still terrorists.