TEQUILAsunrise - AKA Norway Spiral - Proof it was a scientific experiment.

reply to post by His Doodness

Feel free to chime in any time you like. That's what ATS is all about.

Take a look at some animations a friend of mine dug up on some research i was doing on haarp a couple years ago
This is an animation of what HAARP looks like when it is on:

Firstly.. you have to note the URL ... navy.mil .. So this not fake in any way.

Secondly notice the size of this. It almost covers all of Alaska.

Thirdly Notice the SPIRAL.

Here is the page that has a link to this animation:

If his premise was not based on the heater why did he associate the spiral with the HAARP animation?
If his premise was not based on the heater why did he continue to try to show that the heater was in use?
If his premise was not based on the heater why has he changed his premise after understanding that the heater was not in use?


[edit on 12/16/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by daddio

 

The "beam" did not produce the spiral. The "beam" came from the spiral.
The "beam" persisted as a cloud for 15 minutes after the spiral disappeard.
The "beam" was an exhaust trail.

The beam didn't come from the spiral. If the beam was an exhaust trail it came from the rocket.

If the beam was an exhaust trail, so was the spiral itself.

reply to post by Point of No Return

I was clarifying the description. The description says the spiral left a track. The "beam" do not go to the spiral as the post I was replying to claimed. It came from the spiral.

Yes, both the "beam" and the spiral came from the missile. Since the spiral was centered on the missile, the "beam" came from the center of the spiral.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Point of No Return

 

I was clarifying the description. The description says the spiral left a track. The "beam" do not go to the spiral as the post I was replying to claimed. It came from the spiral.

Yes, both the "beam" and the spiral came from the missile. Since the spiral was centered on the missile, the "beam" came from the center of the spiral.

What? Assuming that the rocket went up from the ground into the sky, the 'beam' did not come from the spiral, the spiral came from the beam.

Like you said, the spiral and the 'beam" came from the exhaust.

Why did the spiral dissappear and was the 'beam" visible for 15 mins.?

reply to post by Point of No Return

I didn't say the spiral was exhaust, you did.

reply to post by Phage


What did the spiral consist of then?

I don't really know. Unburned fuel? Electronic countermeasures (chaff)? Fairy dust?



[edit on 12/16/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by Phage

I don't really know. Unburned fuel? Electronic countermeasures (chaff)? Fairy dust?



[edit on 12/16/2009 by Phage]

You don't really know.

You you seem pretty certain it was made by a rocket, yet you don't how, or what it was.

Still you act like it was nothing out of the ordinairy.

reply to post by Point of No Return

Where have I said it was ordinary?

reply to post by Phage


Come on now, Phage, you've been claiming it was nothing more than a rocket all week.

When people questioned this spiral being made by a rocket, you said it was clearly made by a rocket.

Now you say you don't know what the spiral consisted of, or how it was formed, even suggesting fairy dust.

If you don't know that, you can't know it was made by a rocket.

You are just assuming.

reply to post by Point of No Return

Whatever the spiral was composed of it came from the same rocket that left the ionized exhaust trail above the atmosphere. The same rocket that left the contrail in the atmosphere. The same rocket that was launched from a Russian submarine.

Call it an assumption if you like but there is nothing that says this could not have been produced by that missile and plenty that says it could have. Was it an "ordinary" missile? Maybe not, but other missiles have created similar effects.

[edit on 12/16/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

 

Or a missile. But that's not as fun as a UFO, so I guess it can't be that.

Not as much fun as a UFO.
We will have fun with UFOs for a long time.
As long as the Illuminati are in charge of the new world order technology.
A missile is usually videoed from start to finish buy the handlers.
But now the information officers will put in the UFO effects at the end.
OR
There was a missile shot, and a nearby observation UFO put on a
display to show off.
This spiral was practiced years ago in Texas and posted as a triangle
spinning. There might be a bunch of spirals now on youtube.
Missiles do not do spirals and survive but saucers or even triangles
can do it and move on.

I know... completely off topic... But I wanted to post this because this is what this debate reminds me of. A little levity never hurt anyone!

reply to post by Phage

The rocket is spinning. The rocket exhaust is ejected in an expanding spiral. Think of a spinning lawn sprinkler.

Your post, from the original thread.

Seems like you've got it all covered there.

Here you actually say it is rocket exhaust making the spiral.

So did you change your mind.

reply to post by Point of No Return

I think it was the simulation that changed that idea for me. New data, modify the theory. That's what science is about.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by Phage

 

What did the spiral consist of then?

The spiral came from the sun reflecting off the leaking fuel.

It's in a spin because of the leak.

The blue "beam" is just normal missile exhust fumes with sun reflection.

..Phage is right.

[edit on 16-12-2009 by kyleplatinum]

reply to post by Phage


What did it change then?

It was a simulation of a hypothetical object in space that was leaking "stuff" out of two sides, and creating a perfect double spiral.

What was leaking out of the rocket on two places that made it do a nice upwards spiral?

And how did it get all the way up there leaking fuel like a mofo.



[edit on 16-12-2009 by Point of No Return]

Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by Phage

 

Come on now, Phage, you've been claiming it was nothing more than a rocket all week.

When people questioned this spiral being made by a rocket, you said it was clearly made by a rocket.

Now you say you don't know what the spiral consisted of, or how it was formed, even suggesting fairy dust.

If you don't know that, you can't know it was made by a rocket.

You are just assuming.

Oh please... The video looks plenty like a rocket spinning around. Whatever it's spewing in the process is only known to NATO intelligence services who no doubt have collected atmospheric air samples. Could be fuel, coolant, anything. Fairy dust was mentioned in jest, and it's disingenuous for you to chastise Phage for that.

reply to post by Point of No Return

I originally thought the spiral had expanded through the exhaust trail (you can find that in the thread). I was speculating about the appearance of the trail(s) and my speculation was wrong, the simulation is a demonstration of the actual physics involved.

What exactly was the material that was ejected? Like I said, I don't know but my guess is that it was unburned fuel. It doesn't really matter. Something came out of the spinning rocket and produced the spiral.

[edit on 12/16/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by daddio

 

The "beam" did not produce the spiral. The "beam" came from the spiral.
The "beam" persisted as a cloud for 15 minutes after the spiral disappeard.
The "beam" was an exhaust trail.

Thank you Phage, for your careful and clear responses using clear and reasonable explanations.

Several on this thread have wanted to see other rockets with similar exhaust trails.

Here is a recent one, a WISE rocket launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base in December 2009.
www.youtube.com...

At about 1:25 into the video you will see a blue trail (light reflection) of the booster rocket portion giving off exhaust, and when the separation occurs, how a black 'hole' (lack of light reflection) occurs.