Unknown "vehicle & shadow" on Moon astronaut's visor?

I'm presently viewing a ton of Apollo photos which are alleged by the website owner to contain anomalies. I may post other photos from the site for they do, indeed, show strange images but I can't guarantee that the strange images were originally taken by an astronaut. I'm posting this one 'cause it's easier to digest.

It is a real NASA photo 'cause you can bring it up yourself at www.hq.nasa.gov... and magnify the visor and you'll see what I copied and then photographed from my computer monitor 'cause the website owner added arrows, etc., to point out something that I cannot explain.

Of course, one has to think that there were 2 humans on the Moon and one was posing and the other one took the photo. Is the object and the shadow seen in the visor "really" there with them and would they not behave totally different than a calm pose?




Mod edit: image tags corrected to show the whole image.

[edit on 6/12/2009 by ArMaP]

reply to post by The Shrike


what i see appears to be part of the lunar lander with an astronaut whited out by the flash from the camera, and the other arrow points to a crater? or am i missing something?

I agree with chrisd250. I believe that would be the LM.
Jack is taking a photo of Gene near the flag. He, and the LM are reflected in Gene's helmet. The shadow is the sunward side of the small crater behind behind Jack in this photo:


I would highly recommend you become familiar with this site, it can help answer many questions about the Apollo program.
Apollo Surface Journal

I'm not sure i see the lander... I see an unrecognizable bubble looking thing, but I'm not sure thats anything. Either way, Phage has already wheighed in on the subject so just expect a bunch of people to agree with him.

Just messin P.

To let my mind wander...

It looks like a Johnny 5 robot with a guy behind it wearing a white t shirt and black pants.

VTR/Camera operator?

reply to post by chrisd250


I apologize for not paying attention to the image after I posted it. I seem to be having problems with photos as you can see by my avatar. Some people post huge photos but I can't get a 175 pixel photo to post complete let alone a 1000 pixel. I'll have to process the photo or remove it all together and just leave the NASA link for the same photo.

However, I don't see the lunar lander reflected as whatever is being reflected has a totally different shape and is white.

BTW, the arrows just said, top right: Unknown Vehicle; below it: Vehicle Shadow.

What about that rust-colored area where the "Shadow" is located? In reality, the reflections should have been clear and not looking like the way they do. Use other photos as comparison.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
I'm not sure i see the lander... I see an unrecognizable bubble looking thing, but I'm not sure thats anything. Either way, Phage has already wheighed in on the subject so just expect a bunch of people to agree with him.

Just messin P.

Phage is looking at the same image you and everyone sees. He doesn't have any special knowledge to see beyond your view and assessment. Just because he offers his opinion that doesn't mean that the case is closed. On other ocassions, his opinion fell short of the mark. Why everyone wants his opinion is beyond me.

I appreciate his comments, when they make sense.

reply to post by The Shrike


So what do YOU think those images are on his visor? That is what I am most interested in, cause we think its a Lunar Module and a crater

Originally posted by sputniksteve
reply to post by The Shrike

 

So what do YOU think those images are on his visor? That is what I am most interested in, cause we think its a Lunar Module and a crater

I don't have an answer as to what is being reflected on the visor. But I can tell you that since the first picture of a visor reflecting was published I've become familiar with what one sees in the various reflections including the lunar lander. As you can seen in the 2 photos below which I've added for comparison, the view of the visor in the OP does not come close to what it should be as seen below. I do hope that this time ATS has done right by me in reproducing my photos properly.

The photo of just the visor is reversed, sorry about that.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/74f922c8e89f.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/28d40570170f.jpg[/atsimg]

[edit on 6-12-2009 by The Shrike]

reply to post by The Shrike


im still going to have to say it is just the lunar lander with an astronaut taking a picture next to it. the flash from the camera would be bright white, and coming off of a highly reflexive material like that of the lander would produce the odd look of the lander.

Originally posted by The Shrike
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2faec8d4bf6a.jpg[/atsimg]

thanks for posting these.... new outlook on the lunar surface colour perspective.....

brown...... brown....... brown........

now, what i DO find interesting is that the lunar landscape reflection in the visor appears as "brown" in color, yet the photo still shows the landscape in the classic grey scale. some might say that since the visor of the spacesuit is kind of a bronze color this would cause the discoloration, but you do not see a tint added to the other objects in the reflections...

reply to post by chrisd250


For those speaking on what color the moon surface is, why would NASA hide the fact that the moon's surface is brown? I would like to know, because I haven't heard anything like that.

On subject, I'm pretty sure the reflections in the OP are of terrestrial origin. The set up of the shot doesn't support otherwise.

reply to post by jimmyjohen


www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by mcrom901


Just saw the clip. It was interesting, but what is the message/point of it?

Is it stating that there is abundant life on the moon?

Is it stating that we never went to the moon?

Is it stating that we are being lied to by NASA?

The answers to the above questions have contradictions in itself. And what is the source of the picture shown last on the clip you provided?

I hope your reply was not sarcastic one, if so then I am an idiot for raising these questions.

Looks like standard stuff reflected in the visor to me as well.

As for the reddish soil this may be of some interest.

Recently I watched an IMAX film about our missions to the moon and they mentioned one mission that was specifically geared to checking out a lone crater that had reddish soil instead of the usual grayish color. I forget what exactly but it was some sort of mineral deposit.

I think they said it was the only spot of reddish soil known to be on the moon.

The movie was "magnificent Desolation- Walking on the Moon" as IMAX flicks go its worth watching. Especially on a 100" screen


[edit on 6-12-2009 by Candycab]

Originally posted by The Shrike

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
I'm not sure i see the lander... I see an unrecognizable bubble looking thing, but I'm not sure thats anything. Either way, Phage has already wheighed in on the subject so just expect a bunch of people to agree with him.

Just messin P.

Phage is looking at the same image you and everyone sees. He doesn't have any special knowledge to see beyond your view and assessment. Just because he offers his opinion that doesn't mean that the case is closed. On other ocassions, his opinion fell short of the mark. Why everyone wants his opinion is beyond me.

I appreciate his comments, when they make sense.

Phage is pretty sharp, that's why people including me like his comments. I think this may be the first time I've ever disagreed with him, which means he's almost always right!

I don't think the shadow is from a vehicle nor is it from a crater, I think it's the astronaut's shadow because the shadow moves when he moves in this series of photos, just look at the whole series of photos around the one posted in the OP. Here's the image ending in 87 (versus the OP image ending in 85) and there are others too where he moves and the shadow moves with him.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8d502c23d372.jpg[/atsimg]

I think this photo also shows that what Phage and others thought was the LM is actually just a complex series of reflections of the sun. This photo shows more separation in the reflections so you can see they are really sunlight reflections and there's actually nothing there. I admit it looks like some sort of vehicle in the OP but then again so does the Oldfield film, and neither is really there, so we are all susceptible to illusions.

I had to sketch out the location of the LM, the sun, the astronauts and the vehicle and the conclusion there's no object there is consistent with the sketch. Fantastic illusion, almost as good as the oldfield film, great find!

reply to post by Arbitrageur


At first I thought it was a skewed reflection of the LM.. but after looking at more photos in the series I do see that it is sun reflection on the visor, which is scratched, and I have read many reports of the astronauts complaining that the gold plated sun visor was very prone to getting scratched, that is why they would raise them when they could to have better vision..

Erm...
That would be smears and reflections on the helmet.

Arbitrageur was more thorough than I was.

Well, it looks like it's me against the repliers for not one seems to have good eyes! They see the lander, terrestrial objects, standard stuff, astronaut's shadow, and the best one - scratched visor!

Guys and gals, let me recommend a good optometrist!

I would have preferred real honest answers such as "I don't know, but it sure looks interesting. Perhaps Jim Oberg will ask a lunar astronaut about it and we'll have a better qualified opinion."

The photos are actual NASA photos. NASA must have an official explanation for the bizarre reflections. All one should see reflected in the visor is part of the flag, the fore/background, some of the posing astronaut's suit, and the astronaut taking the picture, normal reflections, as seen here:

Normal visor reflection.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/136ee23c91f8.jpg[/atsimg]

Another photo shows the astronaut posing but if you magnify the visor you can already see the abnormal visor reflection.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2ed0bccb5563.jpg[/atsimg]

Closeup of abnormal visor reflection
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8166ebcb3782.jpg[/atsimg]

Then in an enhanced (for clarity done by whoever posted this photo) photo we see really bizarre reflections which do not match any of your off-the wall explanations for no lunar lander looks like this and one can see the photo-taking astronaut reflected plus some really weird # that just CANNOT be normal reflections of the lunar lander nor the flag, nor the fore/background. I have no idea what they are and I'm not silly enough to see things that are not there as you all have claimed.

Enhanced (for clarity) abnormal visor reflection
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6117dd37ff95.jpg[/atsimg]



[edit on 8-12-2009 by The Shrike]

[edit on 8-12-2009 by The Shrike]