The Church of Climatology

Originally posted by schrodingers dog


You know it's funny you mention the "asshats" in Washington ... hey, I live here, i run into them the whole time. They really are asshats, and they can't order desert much less construct and maintain a conspiracy.

That doesn't seem to factored into conspiracy theories, at least not as much as it should.

Most of it is not really 'conspiracy'. A real conspiracy takes brains and people who can keep secrets ...not things that humans are much good at. Its really more about the 'church', people are believers. Its more than the climate, pretty much all the conspiracies can be seen as a sort of religion where most of the hod carrying is done by believers. In general they have no idea about 'true' purpose, they just believe.

reply to post by Chett


I just started another thread about the Global Cooling agenda of the 70's.

Go by and have a ball, I made it as a joke.


Man Made Global Cooling no wait GLOBAL WARMING!

Well Done, "Cool" Thread.

I have a question for any MMGW alarmists, reading this.

How did the earth warm up after the last Ice Age without significant natural global warming?

I don't know myself, just asking, they should know.

Peace

Yes, excellent question to ask.

The last Ice Age may have stopped because of the Atlantians.

See, they had Escalades and factories which caused the destruction of their society, and also sank their mainland.

See, we just figured it out.

sorry post on wrong thread

[edit on 12/4/2009 by endisnighe]

you make a fair point however whether global warming is man made or not its very real. Look at the many homes in the UK right now suffering because of flooding , we usually get floods but this time the scale is phenomenal

Anyways global warming is happening we all know that , the only reason we arent tackling it right now is because its costing our governments and its costing them alot , and that hurts the economy !

and right now the economy is about as safe as a house in the west bank !
Whether you want to believe its effects are increased by human activity or not , its still going to effect us , the places we live , mostly costal communties and cities built along rivers , especially in the uk these places are going to flood , anywhere near rivers will flood displacing millions of people and causing disease and famine !

So in respect of its a new religion or not , i think we should start believing the fact that we are up # creak without a boat a paddle and its not a quiet creak anymore its a raging torrent because of flood water !

in the words of gordon ramsay "DONE "

Excellent post my friend. I had never really seen it from the viewpoint of a religion, but what you say makes perfect sense.

The blind faith in the face of contradictory and even common sense evidence from these climatologists is totally comparable to Evangelical Christians or Muslim Extremists. The constant barrage of preaching and propaganda comparable to Jehovas witnesses knocking at your door.

They shall call us heretics, mad-men and probably one day terrorists (Eco-terrorists?).

Well... I've been called worse!

S&F for you my friend.

Ok so lets look at this from another standpoint !

if you care about the planet in any way what so ever , you would realise that the fact our countries are the largest polluters on the planet yet still they dont do anything about it !

Pollution may or may not have an effect on global warming as we know it , but pollution still effects , plants animals and humans , i studied environemntal toxicology at university and believe me man does have an impact on our surroundings , so regardless if we are warming the planet ,we are still polluting the #ing # out of it , so dont tell me it wouldnt be a good idea to cut that out !

i for one would rather not have our countries pollute the air we breath , or the animals in our forests or the plants that give us oxygen , I would rather we didnt dump waste into the sea , or pollute the atmosphere increasing potential natural disasters such as hurricanes and lightning storms , i would rather we tackled the issue of our needless pollution of our surroundings to protect our planet instead of raping it !

so can i ask that you stop thinking of global warming as some sort of cult or mission by some conspiracy theorists to fear monger us into paying money to some illuminati or some # like that , and just start believing that humans are needlessly #ing up the planet with no thought for its welfare or its protection for the future of the human race !

remember the ozone layer still takes a beating from pollution , and that protects us from the suns radiation !

so yeh , global warming is an afterthought to our shameless destruction of our environment !

CMON !

reply to post by sapien82


No one is denying that climate change is real. It's obvious that something is happening, but the simple fact is that there is no solid evidence on either side as to whether it is being caused by man. Hell, there's not even any evidence as to whether it is a short or long term problem. It could all return to normal in a couple of years for all we know. And that is the point... WE DO NOT KNOW. More research is needed and this time, it should be accurate and not biassed.

Can I also point out that not all of the flooding in the UK is due to climate change. Most of it in fact is due to building homes on flood planes and old, poorly maintained drainage systems and flood defences.

If you will buy a home in a 1000 year old village on the banks of the River Severn, in an area below sea level, what do you expect? (Just an example)

[Edit to add] Isn't it strange that London and Liverpool, 2 of the major cities in England, both on major rivers never get flooded, but the small town on a meandering, relatively small river floods every year?

[edit on 4-12-2009 by nik1halo]

A big part of the problem has involved a blurring of the lines between between nature loving values and climatological epistemology. If an attack is made against the global warming theory then the nature lover may treat that attack as an attack on their religion if we take as a given that earth loving or nature loving is a religion. I consider myself a nature lover and I don't know if I would consider that a religion but for the sake of argument let's say it is a religion. But I have also studied a great deal of the philosophy of science and epistemology and therefore understand the very tenuous grasp anyone can claim regarding knowledge of any phenomena of the natural world, especially a phenomena involving a vast complexity of variables changing over a period of many years as is the case with the climatology of the global warming theory. Most people, however, aren't that familiar with the history of science and as a result may confuse the academic dominance of any scientific paradigm with the veracity of that paradigm.

I think a case could be made that any scientific paradigm has some religious elements to it insofar as there is almost always a degree of dogmatic adherence to the paradigm. However, with the global warming paradigm there has been an especially strong religious trend as it has involved such a large portion of the general populace and infiltrated politics, economics and society. Therefore there has occurred here a certain compounding effect combining both the inherent dogmatic religious elements in any scientific paradigm and the religious element of a populace loving the earth and nature. Those two 'religions' have fused together to form a sort of super religion acting as a runaway locomotive that has so much momentum that I have doubts whether any empirical global warming refutational evidence stacked on the tracks will have much of a slowing effect as the global warming religion train smashes its way through.

As an example of lawmakers ignoring reason, take for instance the issue of the farm bill and the subsidies to farmers. While, perhaps a case could have been made when the first farm bill was introduced many decades ago that there was a practical need to give money to farmers to keep there lands from going fallow, any justification for those hand outs have long disappeared. And yet every time the farm bill comes up for vote in congress, it keeps getting passed even though the subsidies where the wealthiest farmers get the largest handout and the smaller poorer farmers get little or no funding makes no rational sense whatsoever. The only reason the subsidies continue is because there are vested interests that want the funding to continue. Similarly there are certain parties that will benefit from cap and trade, carbon credits and carbon tax. And if those interests are powerful enough I'm convinced that even if a new ice age ensues and there is a giant glacier looming over capitol hill, congress will pass and the president will sign any perennial carbon sin tax bill.

reply to post by sapien82


If our leaders were actually concerned about pollution why are they concentrating their efforts on carbon emissions?

There was an oil rig off the west coast of Australia that broke and spewed oil into the ocean for months, the government didn't seem to care and did sweet F.A. about it instead they just waited for the company to get around to stopping it.

I would have had no problem for the government to fix it ASAP and take the owners to court to recoup costs, after all it was leaking heaps of oil into the ocean.

They are not too concerned about the environment, all pollution needs to be addressed not just carbon emissions. I agree with reducing all pollution.

Oil Rig Spill

[edit on 4-12-2009 by Toecutter.]

[edit on 4-12-2009 by Toecutter.]

Unfortunately people have started equating global warming and pollution.

I have no problem with reducing pollution, we should all be more mindful of mother nature but the panic about global warming and carbon taxes does not even address those issues.

I would love to see some serious non-polluted study of the climate change issues it would help if we had a better idea where tings were headed, for real. For certain its not carbon, unless you want to believe 2 little rovers also polluted mars with carbon.

On other pollution .. well lets get the fluoride out of drinking water for a nice start, then maybe all the prozac?

And for all those that want to blame my attitude on wanting to keep driving an SUV I have the following facts:
1) I don't own a car
2) my own 2 feet take care of 90% of my travel
3) I recycle (not much cause I don't make much trash)
4) this computer is by far my largest use of energy

Complete and utter nonsense. Embarrassing...

reply to post by mrsoul2009


C'mon, you almost let it out.

We will not bite, you can say it, it is right their on your tongue, "HERETIC"!

BURN EM, BURN EM, BURN THE WITCHES!

Have you heard, now the psychiatric field has determined that it is a psychiatric disorder if you do not believe in Global Warming and people being the cause.

This is becoming a witch hunt.

reply to post by endisnighe


ok ok
You got me I confess. I am a witch

reply to post by Gamma MO


So were.... were back to worshiping the sun again now?

Where did I leave me coat...

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Not only did you put into words exactly how I think about this, but you also threw in a simpsons quote, making it Best Post This Year!!



Well said!

see, i know what i am doing to the environment, and i believe humans are a huge part of it. the difference is i will not go green because i do not want to contribute to smug. I will not by a prius, and i will definitely build a green living arrangement. I do not see the utility, nor will i try to. i want to drive a maserati, not a hybrid, and that is how it will stay. Do i believe in global warming? Yes. will i try to stop it? No.

I will certainly agree that the global warming phenomenon has shadowed the actual pollution debate now and it sad because this is just an easy way for the government to force companies into using the carbon tax to make money , instead they wouyld rather make money than fix the problem !

i think the government needs to realise global warming is still a problem ragardless of its origins , it still effects us , because the way the planet behaves effects us all.
I think its a simple case of humans learning to live in harmony with the ever changing planet without us damaging it in the process.

the bottom line is though and its a sad fact , is that its all about profit !
we would rather sell out the future of the human race to live phat free and easy just now !

it actually makes me sad that the government has all this power and we live in a democracy yet the people who put these governments in power dont have the power to change policy against pollution !
its voted on by people who are linked to big industry and their election campaigns are also closely tied into this.

So the MP's, senators , representatives will lose out if we stop polluting, they wont be elected or run for election because the industries wont back the MP's , senators against the needless pollution of our environment.

I say we cut pollution 100% switch to renewables and then go from there , it should be illegal , yes ILLEGAL to pollute the planet

and there isnt anything wrong with worshiping the sun , afterall without it we wouldnt be alive in this form at least !

reply to post by Chett


She is a WITCH Burn her Burn her.

A little humor for the masses.