A Fractal Representation of Pi… In a Crop Circle

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
On the contrary, perhaps he could have expressed it more clearly but what makes Pi different from 1.000 (and if you mean exactly 1 you can keep adding zeroes was your point),

On the contrary, I never meant that at all.

The number 1 can be expressed as a non-terminating decimal.

1 = 0.999999999999...

Every real number can be expressed as a non-terminating decimal, which doesn't make pi special in that regard.

That's a neat crop circle.. but if the aliens want to impress me they are going to have to find a large piece of land and overnight, write a 500 page essay on all the dirty little secrets of our world governments leaders.. name names, don't leave anything out.. And then wait there till morning with big laser guns saying " It's all true.. come stop me if you can. World Leaders, i'm coming for you! I'm Ram-Alien."

reply to post by conspiracyrus

I will add that only the first 10 digits of pie were used? we have computers that calculate pi waaaay past the 10th digit...

Millions of digits actually. Check out this applet

reply to post by Inediblebulk

Seems to me the crop circle makers think we're monkeys if they are using simple things like a representation of pi. Then again, all anyone has done so far is gabble and gawk and point; has anyone tried to reply to a circle, or make some sign we get it?

Can't you just appreciate it as a beautiful work of art?

Originally posted by tezzajw
The number 1 can be expressed as a non-terminating decimal.

1 = 0.999999999999...

Every real number can be expressed as a non-terminating decimal, which doesn't make pi special in that regard.

If you submitted this as an estimate in an engineering class, you would pass.

If you submitted this as an equality in a math class, you would fail.

In the context of talking about irrational numbers like pi with infinite sequences of digits, it seems logical to presume more of a math context than an engineering context, and in the context of math what you show as an equality is in fact an inequality, right? (It's a pretty darn good estimate though)

Originally posted by rnaa
Can't you just appreciate it as a beautiful work of art?

Actually i do admire crop circles as an art form. I was looking through some pictures today on Google images and there are lots of beautiful crop circle artworks posted there.

But the beauty of this crop circle (topic of this thread) is not so much in it's visual appeal, it is more of an artistry of the mind too, an interesting creative twist that, while not as impressive to look at, I can still appreciate.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by Arbitrageur]

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by tezzajw
The number 1 can be expressed as a non-terminating decimal.
1 = 0.999999999999...
Every real number can be expressed as a non-terminating decimal, which doesn't make pi special in that regard.

If you submitted this as an equality in a math class, you would fail.

Mate, you really need to rethink what you just typed.

Go and perform a Google search, or whatever you need to do, and you will see that 1 = 0.999999999...

Every real number can be expressed as a non-terminating decimal. Pi is not special in the fact that it is a non-terminating decimal.

I like to think that I can learn something new on ATS from time to time. Here is something new for you to learn.

If you get stuck, I have three different ways to prove to you that 1 = 0.999999999...

[edit on 24-11-2009 by tezzajw]

My theory is some ETs are just artists, not unlike graffiti artists of our world, seeing crop circles a form of art maybe. I could imagine they get treated with the same interest of graffit artists too, villians in the eyes of authorities, hereos in the eyes of others. Maybe while some are for this purpose others are actual attempts of communication, theres some that are put there as this.

Just a theory, but itd be interesting if they were ETs out laughing to themselves about the mass amount of humans they have pondering over these circles.

Back on topic, id say this was a hoax. Telling from the fact the right side of the circle is abit wider than the other side. Does anyone know if the crops were broken or not? Itd be an easy one to disinguish then.

If it is real, would pi be a way of letting people know they agree with our system of mathematics?????

heya,

well didnt we send pi on voyager or whatever it was called along with our coords n pictures of us?

I thought the reason theyd be showing pi (i keep writting pie and having to correct it ) is because its a fundamental mathematical concept, you need it for things like volumes etc, and it can be deduced from a circle ... if came and drew a circle which figured at pi = 3 id be quite weirded out.

Why would they use pi? Im sure there was a good reason we sent it out to them, just cant quite remember...

~TR

reply to post by tezzajw

Every real number can be expressed as a non-terminating decimal. Pi is not special in the fact that it is a non-terminating decimal.

Completely accurate.

What makes Pi different from some non-terminating decimal is that it is an irrational number - meaning that it cannot be exactly represented by a ratio of real numbers.

This may be where Arbitrageur is tripping up.

[edit on 25/11/2009 by rnaa]

Originally posted by rnaa
What makes Pi different from some non-terminating decimal is that it is an irrational number - meaning that it cannot be exactly represented by a ratio of real numbers.
This may be where Arbitrageur is tripping up.

I'm sure he will figure it out that 1 = 0.9999999... is indeed true.

At least he knows that pi is irrational. Transcendental, in fact. We can only blame the school system for not teaching basic number theory earlier than it should.

It's a nice looking crop circle. I forgot to mention that in my earlier posts.

reply to post by Tomb_Raven

Why would they use pi? Im sure there was a good reason we sent it out to them, just cant quite remember...

Well since they are making a crop circle and PI is intimately involved in circles, it makes sense.

The only real question is why would they necessarily be using a decimal base system?

[edit on 25/11/2009 by rnaa]

reply to post by tezzajw

The mathematicians say you're right so I did learn that, but I still don't think that either 1.000 or 0.9999..... is an irrational number like Pi is, so Pi is unique in that respect as I said.

Originally posted by rnaa
Well since they are making a crop circle and PI is intimately involved in circles, it makes sense.

The only real question is why would they necessarily be using a decimal base system?

I thought we used it because we had ten digits, but it's unlikely the aliens do too (though possible), more likely would be that they would choose a system we would understand to communicate with us, or more likely still it's manmade!

My thoughts are, if they are from extraterrestrials, maybe they are giving us basics to figure out first. Once we can read what they've written, we can maybe go back and start to see other messages. Just an idea.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

or more likely still it's manmade!

Heresy!