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Originally posted by mushibrain
could the smarter ones enlighten me if this leak has anything to do with upcoming meeting of leaders in Copenhagen to talk about the climate change deal/treaty? if so, knowing what we know now about the leak, who leaked it, etc can we join some dots? thanks
July 26, 2009
As some WUWT readers may have learned from reading Climate Audit, an anonymous source deep within Hadley CRU has provided Steve McIntyre a copy of a data file he has been seeking but has had his FOI requests to Hadley seeking the same file, rebuked.
[..]
Steve has shared this data and the source with me, as a way of verification, and I can vouch for both the validity of the data and of the source ip address. It truly comes from deep within the organization. – Anthony
[...]
I mentioned to Steve this morning via email that in addition to verifying the source, I was able to come up with a photo of the “anonymous” mole in CRU. I’ve sent him a copy.
Stay tuned.
Originally posted by Gamma MO
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You are essentially saying "I don't want to think, I want to follow ... cause I get a nice warm fuzzy green feeling inside".
THIS is the problem with humanity. The sheep were ready for a new religion to come along to cast out their sins and make them feel noble and good.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by john124
So tell us Johny has MSNBC, CNN, and the rest of the leftwing news sources lost credibility to you because they have posted bogus stories, and made up claims?..... of course not right? The word hypocrite comes to mind...
Originally posted by john124
All sources that jump to conclusions such as the examiner are all loony. I haven't read them all as to determine which have done this.
What is more important is that we recognise that some of these emails have being explained by RealClimate and according to the BBC - by contacts at the CRU.
We should consider that the emails that sound extremely wacky could have been added by the hacker.
Wouldn't this apply to virtually the entire global warming alarmist community?
THis is what we call damage control.
And if they weren't added?
Originally posted by john124
Wouldn't this apply to virtually the entire global warming alarmist community?
I'm referring to jumping to conclusions over hacked emails, so no it doesn't apply.
THis is what we call damage control.
Check the paper they referred to when explaining the "hide the decline" email. It sounds a plausible explanation to me, and the evidence backs up their statement at least.
And if they weren't added?
It's pretty obvious that a lot of comments have been added to the hacked emails.
The hacker doesn't exactly have credibility or ethics, as to resort to hacking,
so it seems obvious to me that sceptics are the one's with an agenda.
How many rich oil tycoons would hate to lose profits, and do anything to hijack a deal on CO2 emissions?
So your own logic only applies to your philosophical enemies? Have you been taking lessons from those indicted in this thread?
Please do explain what exactly he meant by the word HIDE. I tried reading their explaination and they didnt seem to address the actual word, instead just the event in general. They only seemed to explain the word "trick", unless I missed something.
You didnt answer the question. So far they've only confirmed the emails, if anything. Answer the question, please.
Many would say exactly the same about those indicted. And it would seem their own words would challenge 'credibility', 'ethics' and resorting to hacking!
Sure, to not be taxed into the preindustrial age, not be subject to a communistic centralized global government, not be falsly scared to bejeezus, not have my tax dollars go to sophisticated propaganda campaigns as they are currently, etc. Could you actually muster a negative agenda that I would be motivated by here?
That's why they're all investing in 'green' energy and the rest related to the profit potential. Before the environmental movement the word green was most often used in a different way, and come to find out those who are scaring us with global warming are making greens from it to.
Originally posted by john124
So your own logic only applies to your philosophical enemies? Have you been taking lessons from those indicted in this thread?
It doesn't apply because that's not what I was talking about. Therefore it's irrelevant whether or not anyone else is jumping to conclusions in related or unrelated events, because it's not in the same context as what I stated earlier.
Please do explain what exactly he meant by the word HIDE. I tried reading their explaination and they didnt seem to address the actual word, instead just the event in general. They only seemed to explain the word "trick", unless I missed something.
Not every single graph plotted in every single climate change paper would contain all of the data the institute has collected. Some graphs will show particular time-frames if they are indicating temperature changes over this specific period of time. It's not the same as leaving the data out in every single graph, every single table of results, and every single report - which would have to be the case for it to be "hidden" from us.
You didnt answer the question. So far they've only confirmed the emails, if anything. Answer the question, please.
They've stated the emails have likely been altered. Therefore the wacko emails seem likely to be the altered ones. I'd be interested if someone could prove they aren't though, and demand a complete explanation.
Sure, to not be taxed into the preindustrial age, not be subject to a communistic centralized global government, not be falsly scared to bejeezus, not have my tax dollars go to sophisticated propaganda campaigns as they are currently, etc. Could you actually muster a negative agenda that I would be motivated by here?
You seem to have failed to realise that the hacker's agenda is based on an illegal entry into a computer system, which is entirely unethical and illegal. Possibly ignoring this, and justifying the hacker's actions by calling the govt. evil names is pointless.
There's more money in polluting than non-polluting energy sources at this moment in time.
A climate change dust-up
One side sees hacked e-mail as a sign of a 'Warmist Conspiracy.' The other says it's being taken out of context. Analysts don't expect it to have much effect on the Senate greenhouse gas bill.
Reporting from Washington and London - Is it a "Warmist Conspiracy," or a case of an e-mail being "taken completely out of context"?
Regardless, the latest dust-up over the science of climate change appears unlikely to affect the dynamics of either a pending debate in the Senate or international climate negotiations in Copenhagen next month.
Conservative bloggers have seized on a series of e-mails between leading climate scientists, which were obtained by computer hackers and posted online last week, as evidence of a scientific conspiracy to push claims about human-caused global warming.
But advocates of action to curb global warming dismiss those claims, and political leaders and analysts say the Senate bill to limit greenhouse gas emissions will sink or swim based on economics, not science.
"The scientists are going to fight about this for decades," said Robert Dillon, a spokesman for Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, one of several Senate Republicans who say they are open to some form of a climate bill. "We should be doing something to curb our emissions that would not harm the economy, and could in fact boost the economy," he said.
The British institution at the center of the debate confirmed Saturday that its server had been hacked and that it had contacted the police to pursue an investigation of what it believes was a criminal act.
The University of East Anglia said it could not confirm the authenticity of all the hacked data, including e-mails that have been published on the Internet, because of their sheer volume.
But it accused the hackers of using the material selectively and out of context to undermine the "strong consensus" that global warming exists, and declared that such misuse of information "cannot be considered a genuine attempt to engage with this issue in a responsible way."
An e-mail by one of the university's professors, Phil Jones, has been singled out by skeptics as proof that scientists have deliberately misled the public on the issue.
In the 1999 e-mail, Jones wrote of using a "trick" to hide an apparent decline in recent global temperatures on a chart being prepared for use by a meteorological organization. But in a statement posted on the university's website Saturday, Jones said that the e-mail had been "taken completely out of context" and that there had been no misrepresentation of data.
"The word 'trick' was used here colloquially as in a clever thing to do. It is ludicrous to suggest that it refers to anything untoward," Jones said.
Skeptics of man-made global warming disagreed, trumpeting the e-mails online. "The Death Blow to Climate Science," one website headlined. Another hailed a "Warmist Conspiracy."
Last week, the leading Republican on the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, James M. Inhofe of Oklahoma, declared 2009 "The Year of the Skeptic"; on Saturday, a spokesman for environment committee Republicans, Matt Dempsey, said the e-mails, if authentic, "would have a profound impact on the debate" over the climate bill.
Advocates of the bill disagreed. "The science is clearly on the side of those who are concerned the world is warming," said Joshua Freed, a senior advisor for clean energy at the think tank Third Way.
The e-mail controversy, said Josh Dorner, a spokesman for the pro-climate bill group Clean Energy Works, "does absolutely nothing to change the fact that we are now closer than ever before to reaching binding international and domestic deals. We have a path to success in the Senate and at Copenhagen and beyond."
A clear majority of senators appears to back some action to curb greenhouse gas emissions. President Obama and congressional leaders have framed their support for the bill largely in terms of its potential to create "clean energy" jobs in the United States.
In the trenches on climate change, hostility among foes
Stolen e-mails reveal venomous feelings toward skeptics
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, November 22, 2009
Electronic files that were stolen from a prominent climate research center and made public last week provide a rare glimpse into the behind-the-scenes battle to shape the public perception of global warming.
While few U.S. politicians bother to question whether humans are changing the world's climate -- nearly three years ago the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded the evidence was unequivocal -- public debate persists. And the newly disclosed private exchanges among climate scientists at Britain's Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia reveal an intellectual circle that appears to feel very much under attack, and eager to punish its enemies.
In one e-mail, the center's director, Phil Jones, writes Pennsylvania State University's Michael E. Mann and questions whether the work of academics that question the link between human activities and global warming deserve to make it into the prestigious IPCC report, which represents the global consensus view on climate science.
"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report," Jones writes. "Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
In another, Jones and Mann discuss how they can pressure an academic journal not to accept the work of climate skeptics with whom they disagree. "Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal," Mann writes.
"I will be emailing the journal to tell them I'm having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor," Jones replies.
Patrick Michaels, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute who comes under fire in the e-mails, said these same academics repeatedly criticized him for not having published more peer-reviewed papers.
"There's an egregious problem here, their intimidation of journal editors," he said. "They're saying, 'If you print anything by this group, we won't send you any papers.' "
Mann, who directs Penn State's Earth System Science Center, said the e-mails reflected the sort of "vigorous debate" researchers engage in before reaching scientific conclusions. "We shouldn't expect the sort of refined statements that scientists make when they're speaking in public," he said.
Christopher Horner, a senior fellow at the libertarian Competitive Enterprise Institute who has questioned whether climate change is human-caused, blogged that the e-mails have "the makings of a very big" scandal. "Imagine this sort of news coming in the field of AIDS research," he added.
The story of the hacking has ranked among the most popular on Web sites ranging from The Washington Post's to that of London's Daily Telegraph. And it has spurred a flood of e-mails from climate skept
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Originally posted by john124
It's pretty obvious that a lot of comments have been added to the hacked emails. The hacker doesn't exactly have credibility or ethics, as to resort to hacking, so it seems obvious to me that sceptics are the one's with an agenda that ain't science.
Phil Jones wrote:
>
>> Mike,
> Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?
> Keith will do likewise. He's not in at the moment - minor family crisis.
>
> Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don't
> have his new email address.
>
> We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
>
> I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature
> paper!!
>
> Cheers
> Phil
Originally posted by melatonin
Thousands personal and private emails between major figures in climate science all supposedly involved in one of the biggest conspiracies ever - thousands of scientists all over the world and over a hundred years of research all wanting to take your dummy and form a NWO based on environazi socialist vegetarianism...
yet...nada...
Originally posted by melatonin
So after after many hours of the private and personal thoughts in thousands of emails over a decade of top figures in climate science, this is still all you have?
Hmmm...
Smear, smear, spread doubt and fear.
Greenscam: Scientific Mass Manipulation in Action
Ersun Warnke Salem-News.com Business/Economy Reporter
If the goal is to produce a dumb animal that will walk calmly into the slaughterhouse, then providing this animal with information would be grossly counterproductive.
(EUGENE, Ore.) - Recently, a large number of internal documents from the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia were posted onto the internet by an anonymous source.
One of the documents from this collection of information is a short pamphlet put out by the “communications agency” (i.e. free-market ministry of propaganda) Futerra Sustainability Communications, which is headquartered in London and has offices in New York. Futerra, according to their website, specializes in propaganda focused on buzz words like “green,” “ethical,” “climate change,” and “corporate responsibility.”
The contents of this pamphlet are not revolutionary in the field of propaganda, but they show very plainly how modern propaganda techniques are employed. Propaganda, also known as advertising, public relations, or communications, is focused on mass persuasion. It is a multi-billion dollar industry that both relies on academic research, and funds academic research into human behavior. The purpose of this intensive study of human behavior is to discover new methods of mass manipulation.
The pamphlet I am reviewing here is focused on “communicating” to the public concerning climate change. This pamphlet is the property of Futerra, and I am sure that they charge an obscenely high price for it, which would typically prevent the public from ever seeing it. Due to copyright laws, I can only present excerpts of the pamphlet, for the purpose of review and criticism.
The title of the pamphlet is “The rules of the game.” It is explained that “The game is communicating climate change; the rules will help us win it.”
The rules are as follows:
“Blowing away myths”
“Don't rely on concern about children's future – Recent surveys show that people without children may care more about climate change.”
Surveys show people really have no humanity at all, so why bother trying to appeal to it. Realpolitik was the seventies, now we have Realpsychotique.
“Don't … criticize – It is unproductive to attack that which people hold dear.”
Dumb animals will never change their behavior, so don't even bother trying to convince them to.
“There is no rational man”
See comment above.
“A new way of thinking”
“telling the public to take notice of climate change is as successful as selling tampons to men.”
Very edgy. Good way to let the reader know that even though you are a tool and a shill you are still hip, and maybe even a bit rebellious.
“Use both peripheral and central processing – direct attention can change attitudes … peripheral messages are just as effective. [example:] snapshot of Gwyneth Paltrow at a bus stop can help change attitudes toward public transport.”
“Central processing” is rational argument, “peripheral processing” is sub-conscious irrational persuasion.
“Link climate change mitigation to … home improvement, self improvement, green spaces or national pride”
Repetitive association is a very common propaganda technique. The principal is to create a linkage in the mind of the target between two otherwise unrelated ideas by continually repeating them together in the same context. This is the majority of television advertising. Think: pretty women and sh#@*y beer, or just about any other product sold to men.
“Use transmitters and social learning – targeting [trendsetters] will ensure that messages seem more trustworthy”.
Who cares if the underlying message is true? Just make sure you convince Rush Limbaugh and Al Gore.
“Beware of cognitive dissonance – Confronting someone with the difference between their attitude and their actions on climate change will make them more likely to change their attitude than their actions.”
Don't point out peoples' hypocrisy, that will only push them into denial. Instead, turn their hypocrisy into righteous indignation and get them to support policies that will force other people to bear the costs of their environmentally destructive behavior.
Linking policy and communications
“Everyone must use a clear and consistent explanation of climate change”
Scientific uncertainty? We've heard of it...
Audience Principles
“Research shows that energy efficiency behaviors can make you seem poor and unattractive. We must work to overcome these emotional assumptions.”
A tiny wealthy elite is responsible for the majority of consumption. The envy and hatred of the rest of the population for this elite must be propagandized out of existence. How else can we convince them to reduce their consumption even more, so that the elite can maintain their grandiose standards of living?
Style Techniques
“Create a trusted, credible, recognised voice on climate change.”
Trusted, credible, recognized voices on climate change don't exist. They must be created by propaganda firms.
“Use emotions and visuals – Classic marketing rule: information doesn't always work … emotions and visuals usually do.”
Information and rational persuasion don't work when you are trying to persuade people to engage in irrational and self-destructive behaviors. If the goal is to produce a dumb animal that will walk calmly into the slaughterhouse, then providing this animal with information would be grossly counterproductive.
Effective Management
“Communications must be sustained over time.”
Persuasion through irrational arguments and sub-conscious manipulation requires mass repetition, which takes persistence.
“Partnered delivery of messages will be more successful.”
Call your friends at the newspapers, tell them you are already backed by several major corporations, and that a handful of up-and-coming/washed-out celebrities are supporting your cause. Once you have a publishing date for the article, call your friends at the television news networks, and offer them your pre-packaged propaganda reel to run on their nightly broadcast. Post it on your Twitter page from your Iphone, because, like, Twitter is so the hot new thing.
Conclusion
This pamphlet is interesting, not because of its sophistication, but because of its audacity. The theories describe here are unoriginal, and many have been in use for decades already. A lot of this pop-psychology is really amateurish, but it reveals the contempt that the authors have for truth, the public, and public policy. The fact that this pamphlet is published by one of the leading propaganda firms advising the government of the UK on climate change “communications” gives you an idea of the attitudes of the elected officials who consume this garbage.
Remember: the future survival, health, and well being of humanity and the planet is a game. The rules of this game can be laid out on a few glossy pages by a team of hack PR shills regurgitating pop-psychology. This must be credible, because it is bought and paid for by major governments, corporations, and universities. As they say, “there is no rational man.”