Why Is The Vatican So Interested In Extra Terrestrial Life ?

reply to post by sphinx551

Because they could realize their religion and/or theology could be wrong amongst many different civilizations in the universe.

possible but why do most people automatically make the leap and assume their religion/theology if they have any is going to prove that ours is wrong ?

will they be able to prove their God exists and the God most Christians believe in, doesn't exist ? i don't see how

Humans don't even know everything about the universe and they think they have the right religion/concept?

your right the human race as it stands right now does not know everything about the Universe but the religion most Christians believe in, believe it was inspired by the ruler of the Universe. if that's true than how could it be the wrong concept ?

Who are humans to set this mindset standard that humans on Earth right and everybody else would be wrong?

i believe what's in the Biblical texts was inspired by "God" so i don't think humans have set the course. and who said everybody else is wrong ? we don't even know what these supposed E.T's even believe for us to say "your wrong". isn't that putting the cart before the horse way of thinking ?

Who knows if other aliens even have religion?

true , who knows ?, so why do most people when this subject is brought up automatically start assuming they do and their beliefs are going to destroy the Christian faith ?

reply to post by easynow


I think they are making their religion "futureproof". Personally I feel like something big is just around the corner. Time will tell

Hm, if I had to take a shot in the dark on why they are interested; if they find them first, they could possibly construe the story as such as they were meant to find them and these are the angels of god and this that and the other so they wouldn't have to relinquish control so easily, again "possibly"...As far as for the rest of the conversation going on in here, while I am no christian, I certainly don't think any extraterrestrial life is going to come down here and fix all our problems and give us all the technology and things we want for a beautiful life. IMO we have to realize that the soul is a real thing and act out of it and you don't need religion/money/government to tell you whats morally right and wrong. Also, that the government is keeping secrets and we need to know what those are...

reply to post by easynow

It has all been predicted in The Revelation.

There will be a coalition of secular political powers (beasts)...
...a group of religious identities (harlot)...
...and an occult group (serpent).

These three are currently coalescing around the 'Alien Hypothesis.

The Revelation is the official 'program' for the 'play-off'...
...you really should read it...
...because 'you can't tell a knight from a day without a program'

Originally posted by easynow
reply to post by sphinx551

 

will they be able to prove their God exists and the God most Christians believe in, doesn't exist ? i don't see how

Possibly that Earth human's view on God would be different than the Alien's view.
Who's right and who's wrong then? The Earth human or Aliens? What makes the Earth human's view just so much more "right" and the "Truth"?
This is getting nowhere.


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reply to post by sphinx551

Possibly that Earth human's view on God would be different than the Alien's view.
Who's right and who's wrong then? The Earth human or Aliens? What makes the Earth human's view just so much more "right" and the "Truth"?
This is getting nowhere.

exactly the point , there are too many "what if's" to know what will happen if contact is made or we find Alien life on another planet or is visiting here.

the problem i see is what you wrote in your first post in this thread...

"If alien disclosure comes, say good-bye to the believers faith."
Vatican doesn't want to lose their followers.

in my opinion this is a fallacy and people need to stop saying that like it is a fact. it could turn out that your correct but until we know what an Alien race knows or believes then your just making unfounded proclamations.

i'm sure the Vatican is interested in this subject because it is growing in popularity and many people already believe life does exists elsewhere in the Universe. confirmation or contact with a Alien race will affect most people one way or another but in my opinion the people who have a strong faith will not be quick to believe everything told by some creature from a different planet or existence.

reply to post by easynow


Heres a big, what if.

What if the Alien told you he made you. Then how would this "God" be viewed ?


(I do believe in a higher power, and I do believe in an afterlife, but this bible leaves out a lot of key aspects, not to mention the blatant hypocrisy that follows the religion)

reply to post by SirPatrickHenry

Heres a big, what if.

What if the Alien told you he made you. Then how would this "God" be viewed ?

if you could put that question in the proper context then i might be able to give you a honest answer. will the Alien be able to prove it somehow ? will it show me where it came from and show me other beings it created ? will this Alien be able to convince others and not just me ?

without knowing the answers to all of the above and lots more i would say...

if a E.T. rolled up in a cool looking saucer sled , got out and told me he made me with out any kind of proof....i would laugh





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The Vatican seems to like announcing an "official position".

"The Vatican announced it's official position on war today". "War is bad."

"The Vatican announced it's official position on poverty today". "Help the poor."

So maybe since the whole UFO thing is growing in popularity and intrigue, they have decided to study it in order to come up with an official position to announce.

"The Vatican announces it's official position on UFO's today".

"There is no such thing as UFO's, so forget this nonsense and get back to the church".

I don't know why . Glad you posted this. I seen this story today on Fox news and they had a pic of a short grey alien and footage going of a orb while a very young and handsome priest assured the masses all was good.

Were getting close to discloser....they are prepping the sheeple. There was an article a few months ago , I think in Yahoo news about the vatican telling its congregation that it was ok to believe in alien life....

I suppose if extra-terrestrial life existed it'd have to be God's work (Vatican view), ever since i was young I used to think science and religion were talking about the same thing, and I suppose at the most fundamental level, the universe, they are!!


UA



[edit on 16-11-2009 by UFOabducteebe]

I imagine theres much ufo info in the vatican archives going back God knows when.As for me i think the human looking aliens are fallen angels.

Originally posted by sphinx551
"If alien disclosure comes, say good-bye to the believers faith."
Vatican doesn't want to lose their followers.

That is the silliest thing I have heard today. As a Christian ( Protestant not Catholic) I don't think alien disclosure would change anything about a Christians belief. In fact, it would bolster and support it even more.

There are many references to aliens in the bible. Check out John Milon's book called Aliens in the bible, a free download.

Christians understand that God Created this whole universe and they would be silly to think God only created life here on earth. No where in the Bible does it even suggest that.

Our faith in Jesus as a savior from sin applies to earth based humans because of what took place here on earth. Alien's whom God also created, may have a belief in Gods Son also. It just depends on what happened in their history of their home planet and how God chose to reveal Himself to them.

What if Aliens come here and claim there is no God? They would be lying.

It is clear to me the Vatican is doing their research so they can put the Catholic "spin" on the situation when disclosure happens.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
In fact, it would bolster and support it even more.

What if I told you Jesus is part of a Galactic Federation in space somewhere along with Buddha and wants us to work with Grey Aliens?
Read this book (especially Chapters 10, 15, 18, 20, 22 and 27) :
www.courtneybrown.com...

So we are to assume that the aliens have it all figured out? There are no disagreements?
From the influx of "alternative" ancient history lately, it sounds as if that is far from the case.
It sounds like "there was war in heaven" is a common occurance in ancient "fictional" texts from all over the world.
Yet many people will just accept what they say as truth?

If there are aliens, and they choose to give spiritual advice, we will be presented with, at the VERY least, indirect evidence that those ancient accounts were true, yet also will be forced to forget how warlike they seemed to be.

Also, I'm still trying to find where in the bible and other related texts the claim is made that we are the only intelligent beings in the universe.

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Wouldn't that be similar to the "Origin" of the Ori in Stargate SG1 ?


to the OP: I think that disclosure will happen soon...that's the only reason i can think of..i mean..why didn't the Vatican get ineterested earlier? why now with all the things and prophecies of disclosure going on?

The Vatican isn't the only religeon to think about Aliens, a Muslim cleric a while ago said that should any Aliens visit Earth it is an Islamic order to try and convert the Aliens to Islam.
So the Vaticans point of view isn't about losing money its about losing followers, after all over the last 2000 years there has been very few wars that haven't been based on religeon, my Gods better than yours sort of line.
I personally don't think that sensible people will go abandoning their faith just because Aliens come to visit, I always see Aliens as a tourist, after all when you go to a foreign country you don't try and convert them to your religeon and they don't do the same to you.
Sure you can visit their churches or syngogues or mosques but simply going won't change your beliefs.
Only the hardcore , the Earth is flat and the centre of the universe, made in seven days believers will have a hard time adjusting to Aliens and don't forget anything different looking to us is ALWAYS seen as a demon first, then the veil of ignorance is lifted , look at the 'mauntauk' ( sp ?) creature here on ATS sometimes, " oh its an Alien creature", or "its a demon" stupidity we have, people don't know so ignorance comes into play, they can't explain so they fall back into DEMON mode.

Aliens and the Vatican are different but look at the Vaticans history of persecuting different beliefs, Pagans and Wiccans ( witches ) were burned at the stake in 'ye olde days', now we have ridicule and internet embarassment aplenty.
The Vatican is at least according to rumour TRYING to say that 'God created other life in the Universe' after 2000 years of saying that Mankind is the only life, and saying that it's ok to believe that too to the people.

The Vatican WAS the biggest hypocrite in the world back then, the Earth is flat, made in seven days, centre of the universe and that science was the Devils work, but over the last few years have changed to assimilate new technology, new information and good luck to them for that, they have earned a little bit of respect from a Pagan.

Now all they need to do is tell the complete truth about what they know , and how long they've known and maybe then I as an individual will treat them a little better, same as our Governments, but until then I'll have my reservations.

I also don't think that people wil 'flock' to the Aliens religeons if they have any, most religeons that we have here and now , most sensible people will 'shop' around for lack of a better term, they either find something that fits in with their moral code, their own personal belief systems or they don't, only the gullible IMO fall for the " you must go to X ( insert church, synagogue or mosque) or you'll BURN IN HELL FOREVER' nonsense.
Side note, - look at the suicide bomders, most of them are of, how shall I put it politely? , limited intellect are are easily swayed into doing such, if the extremists really believed what they preached they would become suicide bombers themselves, but they don't they get simple folk to do it for them. Religeon IMO is the same, " do as I say , not as I do".

Aliens may have a more mature understanding of God in whatever form , more accurate historical data from our history, unpolluted by malice or embellishment or corruption, as most people belive they haved lived longer lives or have more accurate data maybe they COUld give us more answers , but I can't help but feel that it's a lazy way to learn, someone telling us instead of us finding out for ourselves.
And that whats Mankind fears the most, that someone is more divine than he, that someone else knows the answers to the questions we cannot answer.

Religeon is a tool to keep the peoples of the Earth ignorant, and it seems to be getting worse, over the last 30 years ( I'm nearly 40) I have noticed a marked decline in tolerance and understanding of other reliegons or even other differences, I went to school with Christians. Muslims, Pagans ( myself) and Buddhists, and we all got along fine, we listened to each other, we didn't shout " My Gods better than yours" but that seems to be the way now today. At least the Vatican is opening up to change.

Maybe the way to 'enlightenment' starts with one of the bedrocks of religeon shifting a little , now if all the other religeons followed suite we could live in a better more tolerant world.

The longest journey starts with a single step.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


I actually agree with everything you said, except for making the comment that Sphinx551's statement was the "silliest thing" you've ever heard.
Nothing at all silly about it.

Sphinx551 said: "The Vatican doesn't want to lose it's followers".

You said: "The Vatican wants to put the Catholic spin on the situation when disclosure happens".

Do you see this is veritably the same thought?

The Catholic Church has always been extremely powerful. If they feel for one moment there is something that could threaten this power, they have proven repeatedly they will take whatever action necessary to insure their position of power and authority remain. This does ring like they are gathering information to begin their rebuttals if in fact, disclosure does come, or if they begin to feel threatened by some type exodus from the church, in the event this has an effect on followers, or if Catholic's faith or confidence in the church is weakened or compromised.

I'm sure we would hear a great deal about "false prophets".

Now. I have just said the same thing both you and sphinx said.

what impact will contact or finding intelligent life elsewhere have on Religion ?


It would have minimal impact on religion view points would just change minimal. But for the true believers of religion it would just fuel the fire more. I hate to say it yet again but this is just a phase for us. Yes the government is thinking about it, but it will not happen for hundreds of years. It would radically change everything and they don't know what the implications would be. And as most of us know. Its best to keep things secret and hide rather than put this to public knowledge.

reply to post by sphinx551


I believe the Vatican could really care less about their followers but more so are jockeying to be able to retain the power and money, as E.T. showing up would create much doubt in many devout followers. I believe you are very correct in stating it is a preemptive power play to assert their deity remains in the throne.