How is America still not crashed and burned??

one thing i dont get is how is america still afloat? How does china still puts up with out stupid government? how do they still let our dumb government still print more and more money and get more in debt with china?

Obviously if china will threaten us with a nuke because we are not repaying any debt, they know with that threat they wont get anything in return... unless our options are to sell some states to china, like alaska or hawaii or CA etc...

Things keep rolling downhill for america, and the government doesnt care one bit... why? because there is some 200-300 people in congress that are already millionares thanks to us slaves. Once they get rich enough they might go buy an island for themselves or move to another country and not have to work ever... So once the things start getting reaaaalllyyy bad here, they want to make sure they drained the slaves to the max before they jump in their personal jets and fly to the destination of their choice

It doesnt make sense at all as to why America is still floating, why are we not bankrupt yet, why does our government still making money as more and more people are loosing jobs? why does the dollar still mean something? All these questions dont make sense... Shouldnt we be sunk by now with our own greed?? If this is the case.... why do we seem to be in neutral and not crashing??

This seems to be the only solution that would help us destroy our government, and seems like this is the only solution to getting our country back up and running... we must crash and burn and sink to the bottom... in order to fully recover our country!

In a lot of cases its better to tear down and start from scratch again with a new plan... our foundation is already to weak to build anything else on it... we must burn it and clean up!

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It doesnt make sense at all as to why America is still floating, why are we not bankrupt yet, why does our government still making money as more and more people are loosing jobs?

Do you want us to crash and burn?

Do you want us to be bankrupt?

I don't see the US crashing. In one way or another we are all dependent on one another.

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America will not crash and burn overnight. It will be a long, slow, painful process.

The only thing I can think is momentum. The US has been such a huge power and has wielded so much influence, the world financial system is on a path, an arc if you will, that is fixed to the dollar. Eventually a different country will be the leading economic superpower. I am not sure it will be China, possibly India or Indonesia, might be more likely. Its gonna be a tough transition for us, but we will survive.

Um, we're running on our reserve tank?

No seriously, I agree with you guys.
It may take awhile.
I suggest popcorn, alot of it.....

When you see the repo guys, just run!

Yeah, as other posters said, it's not happening over night. Countries are making alliances without us, they're talking about other reserve currencies. Our government bought us a few years with the bailouts. The end result seems to be collapse, but we gotta wait and see.

Last year in October I was fringing towards imminent collapse. Now I realize it's not going to happen all at once. If it collapsed all at once, wealth wouldn't be transferred as it is in this slowish downward trend. It seems to be going all according to plan for the banking elite.

I said 3 years ago that America won't last another decade. I stick by that, but think it could happen much sooner. 3-7 years, as my uneducated intuition.

my guess is by 2012 we will be living what will feel like a different planet.. and the mayans havre predicted this type of disaste... greed is what will cause the disaster

The decline and fall of an Empire does not happen quickly, but it will happen.

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Not for much longer.Yellow stone volcano blows its top on the 21 december 2012.I guess alot of people in the world will be happy that 75% of the united states gets destroyed killing 170 million people.

Originally posted by NickT916

one thing i dont get is how is america still afloat?

Lies and propaganda.

Welcome to the greatest deception of earth.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by NickT916

one thing i dont get is how is america still afloat?

Lies and propaganda.

Welcome to the greatest deception of earth.

This I think is true for any nation. If the peoples' believe in said nation they will have some degree of success. While a lot of people disagree with america, they still support it, for better or for worse.

Given that "money" is a made up revenue these days, it all comes down to how much others believe said money is worth. China, Taiwan, etc still sell us goods because it remains profitable to them.

Germany has been pretty much the only power to be self sufficient for a short time, and look what happened to them.

The united states and most other countries simply don't have the natural resources to support themselves. They have an abundance of some, a shortage of others. This is why we have trade.

Originally posted by Ecidemon

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by NickT916

one thing i dont get is how is america still afloat?

Lies and propaganda.

Welcome to the greatest deception of earth.

If the peoples' believe in said nation they will have some degree of success. While a lot of people disagree with america, they still support it, for better or for worse.

Given that "money" is a made up revenue these days, it all comes down to how much others believe said money is worth. China, Taiwan, etc still sell us goods because it remains profitable to them.

The united states and most other countries simply don't have the natural resources to support themselves. They have an abundance of some, a shortage of others. This is why we have trade.

If your asking me to support a lie, I will not do it.

Freedom in America is a lie.

The chinese are fools for buying into our lies and deception.

The best thing that can happen to America now is for the central bank to implode and for a good portion of the worlds wealth to vanish overnight.

The worlds elite will likely join forces against the American people in an attempt to keep thier investment from disappearing and force us to do thier bidding and remain silent.

This I say to you fuc* off.

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You may now go to bed and get some rest.

America is not going to crash and burn.

Drive through New Your City, Atlanta, Ga or any big city and rethink your crash and burn theory.

It ain't gonna happen baby.

Originally posted by dizziedame
You may now go to bed and get some rest.

America is not going to crash and burn.

Drive through New Your City, Atlanta, Ga or any big city and rethink your crash and burn theory.

It ain't gonna happen baby.

I am quite sure the citizens of Rome, surrounded by the magnificent edifices of the Empire, said that same thing. Might help if you read a little history from time to time...it tends to repeat itself. And why did Roma fall? Moral corruption, excessive taxation, and the debasement of their currency. Sound familiar?

How is America still not crashed and burned??

A Partial (shortened) Answer might be:

The rest of the world has over 60 years of American money, power, leadership, arms deals,
'CARE' packages, The 'PEACE CORPS', Doctors Without Boarders...
and a host of other humanitarian aid & economic aid programs generated because of the USA's global hegemony in the political/military/economic/trade/humanitarian spheres.



Since we tend to forget -> The USA's quick response to the global financial crises which sprang from the sub-prime collapse and the fraudulent bonds/CDO/CDS/& derivatives that were the product of the swindlers at banks & rating-houses...which were sold to many banks & institutions around the world...

The Treasury & FED was quick to send more than $600+ billion to the Central Banks in the EU, England among others (to try to quell the expected backlash/blowback)...

Now If the whole globe is awash in US dollars, and has a great portion of their economies & financial dealings inmeshed with a US dollar influence ---One would not be too quick in condeming or distancing their systems from the USDollar contamination..It would be better to wean themselves from dollar hegemony, slowly so as to not fracture their own economies.

Also, with the USA as the globes most prolific Arms Merchant, keeping the USDollar to pay for these arms would be beneficial, because at the contracted deal price, the foreign land with dollars will find that they will be getting top notch technology for the devalued dollar they are paying with. ~a good deal for the buyer.

There are 100s of reasons why the world still tolorates the USD, and does not just drop it for these philosophic/moralistic reasons you list.

Have a nice day.

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I will try to respond as best as possible, given that it is obvious you do not understand some macro economic concepts. I do not mean that as an insult by the way. Most people don't but my job requires me to.

Anyways, lets start with China. China has already dramatically reduced how much money they lend to the US. Instead they are buying traditional dollar hedges. What this means is that when they buy commodities such as gold, silver, platinum, etc, those things go up in value as the dollar goes down in value. They are hedging their dollar positions as we speak. If they just got out all together right away, they would destroy their reserve holdings and therefore hurt themselves badly. So what they are doing is quite smart for them.

Now, on to why the US economy is still afloat. This topic could fill books, but I will keep it brief and simple. Its the Fed/Treasury printing money and flooding the system with it through its various policies. In essence, they allow financial institutions to borrow money from them for near zero interest, and place near any asset as collateral. In addition, they go into these financial institutions and buy toxic assets off their balance sheets to infuse money onto their balance sheets. Its started as a way to keep the financial system from imploding, then turned into an effort to get banks lending again both to individuals and businesses, which they hoped would lead to hiring. But it hasn't. In essence, imagine the economy is like a broke family that was about to go bankrupt, but then got a bunch of credit cards. Suddenly bills can be paid and things feel better, but a time will come when those credit cards need to be paid. And that will be painful.

Basically what you are seeing right now is two things. First, the US propped up with printed money. Second, an orderly unraveling of the world's dependence on the US. So while you do not get why a collapse hasn't happened, their will be a great deal of pain coming. I know you want a complete collapse, but that would be so painful and difficult on everyone, you really shouldn't want that. If that happened, chaos would reign, and you would be fighting just to be able to eat or stay warm. Trust me, you don't want that. Most likely we are going to enter a Japan-style era of stagnant growth and an aging population, with a govt ever increasing taxes, while removing services.

good reply ^^^ but we do need something.. and we need something quick before its to late