Apollo 12's Covert EVA , Are E.T.'s the reason for the Secrecy ?

Originally posted by easynow
Transient Lunar Phenomena

Nasa Technical Report Nasa Tr R-277 Chronological Catalog of Reported Lunar Events From 1540 to 1966

www.scribd.com...

Thanks for the link, but can I sue scribd for that crick I got in my neck from trying to read that document sideways? The first 3 pages are right side up as are the last few references, but all the meat of the document with the LTPs is sideways, what a pain, and I mean that literally! I didn't see any way to rotate it.

Anyway they record 238 LTP in 378 years, less than one a year. NASA's doing better now, they found 20 LTP in 107 hours:

science.nasa.gov...

They seem to use the words "Lunar Meteors" and "Lunar Transient Phenomena" interchangeably as if they're sure that they are due to meteoroid impacts. I wonder if there are other causes of LTP besides meteoroids?

Is there any real evidence of transient magnetic causes of LTP or is that just speculation? There are transient magnetic anomalies on the earth related to the molten state of Earth's interior. Here is an article about how magnetic changes have been observed with Volcanoes.

www.nature.com...

If there are any smaller eddy currents or swirling patterns in addition to the main movement of earth's molten core which generates the Earth's main magnetic field, then it seem plausible that other magnetic anomalies can exist on Earth. perhaps of a transient nature.

However, since the transient magnetic phenomena on Earth are apparently caused by the Earth's molten interior, and the moon is unlikely to have a molten interior,then it follows that the moon is also unlikely to have transient magnetic phenomena like the Earth, unless there's some evidence for this I'm not aware of.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

Thanks for the link, but can I sue scribd for that crick I got in my neck from trying to read that document sideways?

i hear ya

if you right click on the document page it gives you some options to rotate. for some reason when i did that it was only showing 7 pages. why i don't know. i wish there was a different link to a better pdf

They seem to use the words "Lunar Meteors" and "Lunar Transient Phenomena" interchangeably as if they're sure that they are due to meteoroid impacts. I wonder if there are other causes of LTP besides meteoroids?

supposedly there is from outgassing

Lunar Transient Phenomena (LTP) have been reported for at least. 450 years. Chronological Catalog of Reported Lunar Events. NASA Technical Report

trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov...
alpo-astronomy.org...

Is there any real evidence of transient magnetic causes of LTP or is that just speculation?

well since i can't get to the Moon it's all speculation on my part but i am willing to bet there is.

Surface and satellite observations of lunar crustal magnetization and the remanent magnetization of the lunar samples returned by the Apollo missions of 1969–72 provide evidence for past magnetic fields on the Moon. During the more than twenty years in which research has been carried out there has been controversy concerning the origin of the field, with two possible processes of major interest. Dynamo generation of the field in a molten, electrically-conducting core is consistent with most of the observations, but encounters theoretical difficulties associated with the deduced magnitude of the ancient field and lack of positive evidence for a lunar core. The most likely alternative process is the generation of a transient magnetic field during meteorite impacts followed by thermoremanent or shock magnetization of debris and adjacent crust. This paper reviews the evidence and compares the observations with characteristics of lunar magnetism expected as a result of each of the two possible processes. It is concluded that the evidence very strongly favours the past existence of a dynamo-generated lunar magnetic field, with impact magnetization playing a minor role.

www.springerlink.com...

However, since the transient magnetic phenomena on Earth are apparently caused by the Earth's molten interior, and the moon is unlikely to have a molten interior,then it follows that the moon is also unlikely to have transient magnetic phenomena like the Earth, unless there's some evidence for this I'm not aware of.

i believe a molten core is just one factor with these magnetic transient anomalies and at one time the Moon supposedly did have Volcanoes and some Molten core. that means there is a good possibility that these anomaly's on Earth could also be happening on the Moon.

Moon Volcanoes


i will be looking into this some more because i find this theory from Mr. Crater very interesting to say the least.



Professor of Physics , Dr. Horace Crater has put forth a theory about transient magnetic anomalies and how these anomalous properties could be Alien related.

Magnetic and geologic surveys of many areas throughout the world have revealed magnetic anomalies that could not be produced by any natural or known phenomena. These transient magnetic anomalies have been recorded, indicating synchronous aerial magnetic anomalies have a multidimensional para physical place of origin, in terms of a different level of reality, where stability and solidity are being fuelled by a ceaseless process of subatomic particles, constantly dissolving into an implicit order, and then re-crystallizing within our space. Extraterrestrial biological entities may be using technologies and aspects of the physical universe that are beyond our current understanding to conceal their behavior, culture, appearance, and occasionally revealing their presence in our measurable space-time by making frequency shifts that leave traces of field flux, in certain energy spectra, allowing us to witness their presence.

Organizations (Project Phoenix and the BETA 2 Group) on earth have confirmed signals, using narrow band spectral analyzers, privately stating that the signals received, exhibited enough source information to determine and confirm an intelligent agent created them. The signals show language like structures, proofing "alien" intelligence to human life. The government has decided to suppress this information from the general public due to the widespread consequences, affecting all groups of society. Governments are scared of what this extraterrestrial contact information would mean to the different cultures on earth. They fear a breakdown in social order, a 'complete' breakdown in conventional religion. They even fear loss of control over the masses.

www.alienmania.org...
www.utsi.edu...

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cherio easy....

check these as well.....

www.thelivingmoon.com...

www.thelivingmoon.com...

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interesting interview with mike bara here......

odeo.com...

Originally posted by easynow
if you right click on the document page it gives you some options to rotate. for some reason when i did that it was only showing 7 pages. why i don't know. i wish there was a different link to a better pdf

I only have time to post this link, for now.

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excellent ,

thanks for the link and that is much easier on the eyes



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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by easynow
if you right click on the document page it gives you some options to rotate. for some reason when i did that it was only showing 7 pages. why i don't know. i wish there was a different link to a better pdf

I only have time to post this link, for now.

Thanks ArMaP!!!

That rotates very nicely, well done! Now I can cancel that visit with the chiropractor!

Originally posted by easynow
seems i struck a nerve there my friend

No, I just don't understand why you say that.

yes of course , you answered your own question.

And now I understand it even less.

is it too much to believe that the Astronauts from Apollo 11 and Apollo 12 saw some things on the moon that they didn't want the public to see or know about ?

Although I don't think that happened I don't see it as far-fetched, specially knowing the political situation at the time.

maybe this is a possibility ?

Yes, it's a possibility.

Professor of Physics , Dr. Horace Crater has put forth a theory about transient magnetic anomalies and how these anomalous properties could be Alien related.

A theory is just that, it does not mean that's a representation of the truth.

you admit that the STS-80 UFO could be a plasma type object so why is it such a stretch to consider the Astronauts saw things like this on the Moon ? or do you consider it a possibility ?

Yes, I consider it a possibility.

Considering that that object that we can see on the STS-80 video is outside our atmosphere and it appears from behind the shuttle, whatever it was it was a space object, so seeing that one or another like it in space wouldn't be a surprise, I would be more surprised by seeing another object like that inside the atmosphere than outside.

Originally posted by easynow

However, since the transient magnetic phenomena on Earth are apparently caused by the Earth's molten interior, and the moon is unlikely to have a molten interior,then it follows that the moon is also unlikely to have transient magnetic phenomena like the Earth, unless there's some evidence for this I'm not aware of.

i believe a molten core is just one factor with these magnetic transient anomalies and at one time the Moon supposedly did have Volcanoes and some Molten core. that means there is a good possibility that these anomaly's on Earth could also be happening on the Moon.

Good post. Yes the moon did have a molten core at one time and transient magnetic phenomena related to that would be possible while the core was molten. But once the moons interior solidified, the transient phenomena related to the molten core would stop too right?

Could there be another unknown cause? Perhaps. But I'm not sure why you would say the anomalies could be happening on the moon because the moon once had a molten core. Maybe you meant to say the anomalies could have happened on the moon in the past back when it had a molten core?

About the stand-up EVA, is there any chart or table with something that they had to do to open the hatch, like changes in pressure or other things like that?

If there is then we could look at it to see how many time that happened and if it happened only when it was supposed to happen.

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Good question, I don't know if we have access to that sensor data but they likely had sensors recording cabin pressure. But those old data tapes weren't all preserved, I'm not sure if some of that data was on the tapes in the McMoons recovery? They were recovering imagery as I recall though.

According to LunaCognita you might not see an extra cycle but the time would definitely be different, here's what he said about the extra cycle:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by LunaCognita
As for your other question about the repress/depress requirements. Well, there are two possibilities. The astronauts obviously had to depress the LM when they did the S-EVA, and from a “consumables” perspective you are dead on, it would definitely have made the most sense to not bother with a re-pressurization of the LM and instead, keep the LM depressurized, close the +X top hatch, don the PLSS packs (which could be done without repressing the LM cabin) and then crack the +Z forward hatch and egress down to the surface.

The other option would be to re-pressurize the LM after the S-EVA and just act like they had not done it, going through the site description through the windows, the PLSS donning procedures for the surface EVA, and everything else they claimed to be doing before the declared moonwalk. Personally, I am of the firm belief that the first option - that which has the astronauts beginning their first moonwalk shortly after ending the S-EVA without repressurizing the LM first, is what they did.

OK I ran a few more searches and here's what I found, correct me if this is wrong:

The tapes that were lost were from Apollo 11, those are the ones where images are being recovered in McMoons.

Those tapes include not only the imagery data but also telemetry data. I found specifications on data compression techniques for the telemetry data, and how they modified it to include EKG information from the astronauts to monitor their medical condition, but I so far haven't found comprehensive list of all the data contained in the telemetry,and whether cabin pressure might be included.

The Apollo 12 tapes apparently weren't lost, but the telemetry data presumably shares the accessibility problem the Apollo 11 tapes have in that the old machines they recovered to play back the data are in bad shape and keep breaking down. A machine in McMoons is shown here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Photo Credit: Steve Jurvetson

So the question is, what is in the telemetry on the data in these tapes? If it might have cabin pressure we could do a FOIA request to see if they can recover the Apollo 12 data too, but it seems they are struggling to recover the Apollo 11 data (images), in this McMoons operation.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

Ok.
You're wrong.
The tapes being worked on at the defunct McDonald's are the images from the Lunar Orbiter missions. Analog imagery. Basically videotape.

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reply to post by Phage
Thanks, I don't usually preface my posts that way and I wasn't sure.

So if we don't have to rely on those broken down machines to get the data there might be a chance we could get it.

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Originally posted by mcrom901

another classic find.... thanks to the shrike

reply to post by mcrom901

check these as well.....

www.thelivingmoon.com...

www.thelivingmoon.com...

thanks , very good links and some very strange reports

pg.84 2nd link

Object moved straight line as a
black oval shape. Neighbors
confirmed. Took 20m. Had 4-5
tentacles, saw its shadow on the
Moon. Zigzagged, then
Je 13 01
Jy 11 10
Je 28 04 6102 5357 5748
6123
20m
landed in Copernicus, leaned on E wall. Rose repeatedly and went out from
the limb. Saw a similar phenomenon on Oct 14th. Weird! .

Had 4-5 tentacles


The Machine that Lear Found in AS8-12-2209. *Note the supports/legs and long tube like device sticking out to right.



Here is the cropping from High Res version of the AS8-12-2209 Moon Machine that Sherpa obtained and posted:




www.abovetopsecret.com...

img99.imageshack.us...

img706.imageshack.us...

Don't know if these images have ever been raised before, but I found this 'anomaly' on some lunar orbiter photos. Truth be told, I have no idea what these are, personally I think they look like artifacts or something.

I don't know, without actually seeing these things up close, they may as well just be rocks, I'll let you guys decide

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interesting interview with mike bara here......

odeo.com...

thanks mcrom901 that is a good discussion. there is definitely more to NASA than meets the eye.

here's another interview with Mike...

Mystical organizations quietly dominate NASA, carrying out their own secret agendas behind the scenes. This is the story of men at the very fringes of rational thought and conventional wisdom, operating at the highest levels of our country. Their policies are far more aligned with ancient religions and secret mystery schools than the facade of rational science NASA has successfully promoted to the world for almost fifty years.
www.consciousmedianetwork.com...

view the full interview here...
www.consciousmedianetwork.com...



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wow.... thanks for that tentacle stuff.... mind boggling indeed..

in regards to the earlier pic i posted showing the astronaut.... all those pix are evidence of image tampering.... as the reflected colour of the lunar surface in the visor are contradictory to the 'portrayed' colour in the surrounding...

reply to post by easynow


watchin the mike interview now... thanks....

dont miss the alien kaballah....