Testimoney of a US Mail Man

well the US could get away with anythink any way cuz at the moment its fighting 3 wars and no country has said any think about it!

[Edited on 22-5-2004 by Krisboton]

Erm, Muaddib, Iraq is not spelt "Irak" in europe.
It's a country for gods sake, people can't just change the name of it.


Ash

Yeah...people can't just change the name of a country. It's been Iraq for 5000 years.....right? I get amused at how ANY circumstantial evidence supporting the case that we in the US are stealing oil and building an empire to rule the world is automatically believed while any circumstantial evidence supporting the idea that Iraq was in any way connected to terrorism is proof positive of the ignorance of the American public. This is simplistic logic for such sophisticated Eurotrash chiding us for our weak minds.

Originally posted by Pisky

Originally posted by mrsteve
I have a friend in America who spoke to his mailman a few days ago. They were discussing the photographs of the maltreatment and torture of the Iraqi prisoners at 'Abu Prison, The Mail man said, "Oh they deserve it because of September 11th". OMG This man believes Iraqis are terrorists and responisble for the WTC attacks.

Its not much of a shock to discover that many people actually believe that Iraq was responsible for 9-11 because most of these cretins rarely pick up a decent newspaper and get their 'news' from the bloke next door whose brother saw it on a porn-website so it must be true.

edit: sry, it posted before i could comment. I think that Pisky is right...too many ppl believe random ramblings from non-reliable sources. I for one, know a family that escaped from Iraq about 2 yrs before sept 11. They have told me how no one there was allowed to leave easily, and you could be killed or taken away if you were found with a American Birth cerificate(like one member of the family had).

They told me of times that Saddam would visit a school, and overhear a comment that a child said about his father turning off the TV whenever Saddam would come on both of the two channels that were broadcasted.

The next day, the father was taken away, never to been seen again.

They lived in fear. They dont deserve torture and mistreatment for that.

[Edited on 22-5-2004 by pineappleupsidedown]

Originally posted by A5H
Erm, Muaddib, Iraq is not spelt "Irak" in europe.
It's a country for gods sake, people can't just change the name of it.


Ash

umm...because "Spain" isnt spelt "Espana" in Mexico?

names do change depending on the location of the speaker.

I dont know where you got your idea from.

From one example a principle can�t be determined.

The incident at the prison, Abu Ghraib, has shocked Americans. According to Zogby or Gallup, 80% of Americans are horrified at what has happened there and somewhere about 60% want a full investigation.

Yes. We do have some folks who think there�s a connection between the terrorists of 9/11 and Iraq but this is for 2 reasons:
1. It�s a feigned belief by some who support Bush because all life and politics is a matter of debate and winning the word contest;
2. Some folks just don�t pay attention to what�s going on. Maybe some what like your tabloid readers. You do have that Aussie Nazi wannabe media baron pumping trash in the UK? Don�t you? Here�s he�s known as Faux News.

You see, we�re still a young country. Unlike you folks, we have not had the benefit of 2000 years of bellicose barbarianism to think the aggressiveness out of the gene pool; nor experiencing the humiliation of falling from a predominate position to a 2nd rate world power. So have some patience with us. We have our share of +/- 100 IQ folks as you do.

In any event, remember even with our faults and mistakes we remain a good people who are generous and accepting; and meet life each day with the idea of doing good.

We from time to time make poor choices in leadership and this is one of those times. I have always maintained that we elect a Republican every generation or so we can be reminded of why its not a good thing.

We always correct our mistakes. You can trust in that����.

Originally posted by lordlefty
The American nation shouldn't be allowed to be the only super power if it repeatedly demonstrates itself to be that stupid, which it does.

Shouldn't be ALLOWED? Who's standing in our way?

mrsteve:

I have a friend in America who spoke to his mailman a few days ago. They were discussing the photographs of the maltreatment and torture of the Iraqi prisoners at 'Abu Prison, The Mail man said, "Oh they deserve it because of September 11th".

Just remember, you are basing your question on second-hand (hearsay) evidence from your friend whose own bias will certainly show up when he tells you the story.

To answer your question, yes there are Americans who believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. There are also Americans who believe in a NWO and that Bush was responsible for 9/11. Both groups are part of tiny fringe minorities. Britain has their own share of fringe minorities, as does every country on earth. The majority of Americans DO NOT believe that Iraq was directly involved in 9/11.

As far as Abu Ghraib, there are very few Americans who believe that the Iraqis deserved the treatment they got. The vast majority of thinking Americans realize that these things happen in war, and that much worse has happened at the hands of both the coalition and the Iraqis. Polls show that most Americans are tired of the constant coverage, and want to see justice done, as it is being done. Still, there are those fringes that will tell you that Donald Rumsfeld himself ordered Lyndie England to smoke a Marlboro while she pointed at the Iraqi prisoners.

As far as Iraq ties to al Qaeda, the links are well documented. Zarqawi got his prosthetic leg at an 'elite' Baghdad military hospital, for example. Al Qaeda had an office in downtown Baghdad for 'communications'. While Saddam might not have been directly involved in 9/11, he was known to fund terrorists. There was an Al Qaeda training camp in NE Iraq used to teach terrorists how to handle ricin.

So, America is not full of ignorant flag waving sheep. We are scrutinized from within and from abroad more than any other country, because of who we are. We are used to it.

Originally posted by curme
When I was there I saw rows and rows of tanks that never left the motor pool, aircraft thrown on top of scrap metal piles. After years of sanctions, the Iraqi military was a joke. It had no navy, no air force, just a small cadre of republican guards. Right or wrong, we attacked, for all practical purposes, an unarmed nation. Saddam was only a threat to the Iraqi people. Don't believe the hype that he was ready to take over the world.

[sarcasm]
Well, according to the new PM, the US committed grave and serious errors for disbanding Iraq's well-oiled, fierce military fighting machine:

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - New Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi condemned Washington on Saturday for disbanding Saddam Hussein's army and said his government could issue a law next week reinstating some former Baath party members.

Allawi called the U.S. dissolution of the army last year one of many grave errors since Saddam's fall and said he would rebuild strong security forces to combat violence plaguing Iraq.

Iraq military

This is the same guy that wants the coalition to stay to ensure security ( to protect his sorry butt) but to do so under his control.

Ok people your going of the right and wrong of some people. So say it was the other way round and you knew a "terrorist" in this country and you were taking in for questioning and this happened to you how would you feel....