The Latest Version Of The Health Care Bill

READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE

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1 (b) TABLE OF DIVISIONS, TITLES, AND SUB2
TITLES.—This Act is divided into divisions, titles, and
3 subtitles as follows:
DIVISION A—AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE CHOICES
TITLE I—IMMEDIATE REFORMS
TITLE II—PROTECTIONS AND STANDARDS FOR QUALIFIED
HEALTH BENEFITS PLANS
Subtitle A—General Standards
Subtitle B—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Affordable Coverage
Subtitle C—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Essential Benefits
Subtitle D—Additional Consumer Protections
Subtitle E—Governance
Subtitle F—Relation to Other Requirements; Miscellaneous
TITLE III—HEALTH INSURANC

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[edit on 30-10-2009 by Bcs8484]

If you have about 2 weeks on your hands and want to burn sometime you can try to get through the 1990 pages that is the new health care bill, I'm sure it will be an exciting read. Seriously this is whats wrong about America, I'm quite sure that no body who actually has a vote on wether it gets passed or not will actually read this. It's not thier fault it's just it's so incredibly long. They can hide stuff in here very easily.

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I suppose after the complaints a while ago about the length of one of the house bills concerning health care, the congress critters heard the message and decided to correct things. Double the pages!! Yeah, yeah! That's what the public wants!! I'm paying very close attention to what my representative and two senators are doing during all this crap. So far the senators aren't disappointing me, but the representative seems hell bent on destroying my commonwealths economy. Meanwhile I predict a new representative next year, and a new senator next year to replace the wishy-washy senator who generally does what is right, but has no passion for his constituents.

dear god ... i dont want to read another healthcare bill ... they are all ridiculous and this new one is going to be no different, a sham

It is a real shame that we are using government money to subsidize the high cost of health care. It would make more sense to bring the cost down so the common man could afford it.

I am groingrinder and I approve this message.

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How many trees are being cut to print out these 2,000 page bills?

[edit on 30-10-2009 by Eurisko2012]

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i can just see the next eco-mercial

"Every year congress cuts down one rain forest to print 1 bill. Help us by donating 20 dollars so that we can stem the flow of this arboreal eating beas5t

This was telling,as much as they say there will be no rationing,etc...(This is from HR 3962)

About the High-Risk pools(people who have had a hard time getting coverage due to a "chronic illness or condition"...

INSUFFICIENT FUNDS:
"If the Secretary(of Health and Human Services) estimates for any fiscal year that the aggregate amounts available for payment of expenses of the high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the expenses,the Secretary shall make adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficits,including REDUCING BENEFITS,INCREASING PREMIUMS,or ESTABLISHING WAITING LISTS.

So,just assume for a minute they decide,"Oh! We'd better stay within our budget! We're going to have to ration our resources!" Or worse,they can keep you on a waiting list until you're dead,then you can save them even more money!

This was telling,as much as they say there will be no rationing,etc...(This is from HR 3962)

About the High-Risk pools(people who have had a hard time getting coverage due to a "chronic illness or condition"...

INSUFFICIENT FUNDS:
"If the Secretary(of Health and Human Services) estimates for any fiscal year that the aggregate amounts available for payment of expenses of the high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the expenses,the Secretary shall make adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficits,including REDUCING BENEFITS,INCREASING PREMIUMS,or ESTABLISHING WAITING LISTS.

So,just assume for a minute they decide,"Oh! We'd better stay within our budget! We're going to have to ration our resources!" Or worse,they can keep you on a waiting list until you're dead,then you can save them even more money!

[edit on 30-10-2009 by On the Edge]

Are health care system is broken but pushing through a terrible peace of legislation isn't the answer either. I believe thier just doing this to say they did it and use it as something to campaign on.

Some gems from the bill...

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

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Typically what Senior Citizen's groups do is break it down and assign each chapter to a few different volunteers who will read it, as other little groups read their chapters.

Each group will highlight what they think is good in a chapter and bad in a chapter. When they all get back together again they will share those good and bad things from each chapter with one another for further investigation and study.

If people on ATS want to get to the heart of this bill quickly it might be a good idea for people so interested to volunteer to take on a chapter.

Someone who really cares could start a thread, and those who really care and can prove that they can be objective (no left/right politics just the facts) can then volunteer to read an assigned chapter and report back.

Getting a few different people to read the same chapter helps to protect you from those fudging on the left/right politics test.

give them a few days each have them post the highlights to their chapter of what's good and what's bad and why they think it's good or bad.

That way the bill can be quickly weeded through the best and worst ellements identified so we know what to say when we are hanging, drawing and quartering and then beheading each and every last member of the House and Senate as to why

Just a thought.

• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

Awesome just awesome ... like i predicted drain the money from the consumer then hold on a second

• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

and theyll be destroying diversity in the economy ... Have fun people this is where the great depression starts