No True Christian has ever been abducted by Aliens! Right?

Originally posted by Dark Passenger

Satan doesnt use technology, what you see are illusions. Flashing lights, morphing speares, objects that defy science and break the laws of our universe. Are hardly grounded in (our) reality.

Just like Jesus walking on water!!! Holy sh*t, you religious folks are blind! I am outta here before I conform to religion and then to Satanism so I can crucify people for kicks and giggles.

Good night to this thread, before I get overrun by the church choir.

Seacrest out!

[edit on 29-10-2009 by Tomis_Nexis]

reply to post by Dark Passenger


I agree with your post mostly. Satan does want our admiration he does want validation and yes he is the master of deception. As for the walking on water thing yep you got it.

Tomis_Nexis wrote:
"If you can embrace the world for what and how it is, you are at peace.
Something "God" never said."

Your trying to say that accepting things the way they are and not wishing for somthing better is a bad thing? Thats easy for someone who lives a fairly trouble free excistance to say. Im not saying that you dont have any hardships.

But for example: Remember that photo a journalist took of a starving child in africa who would soon be dying. With a vulture following him around waiting for his death. If he embraced the world for what and how it is would he have been at peace?

I think there is a reason "God" never said that.

Originally posted by Melissa101
reply to post by Dark Passenger

 

I agree with your post mostly. Satan does want our admiration he does want validation and yes he is the master of deception. As for the walking on water thing yep you got it.

I agree that he wants admiration and validation in God's eye's but not from us. Like saying "look" these "people" are not worth you caring for.

Heres a quote from the bible that relates:
"The accuser of our brethren who accuses Christians before God day and night (Revelation 12:10)"

Does it mention in the bible that he also wants our respect? From what i understand and have read he hates us more than words can describe. I wouldnt think he cares what we think?

[edit on 29-10-2009 by Dark Passenger]

Originally posted by Tomis_Nexis

Originally posted by Melissa101
[ I do believe aliens are demons. It makes perfect sence. The Vatacin keeps many of these things locked up

"Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens"
www.msnbc.msn.com...


"Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens"
www.encyclopedia.com...


"Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens"
www.foxnews.com... (this is the first time I endorse Foxnews and the last time)


I guess they signed a peace treaty.

[edit on 28-10-2009 by Tomis_Nexis]

The bible says that the angels God created are innumerable. It makes sense that they would live throughout the universe. God created the "heavens" for that purpose. To give them and us a place to live. But in a different layer of reality that we cannot see until we "move on".

Allthough the bible says that the fallen angels were cast down from "heaven". Which would imply that they are not allowed that same freedom.

Nowhere in the the bible does it describe God creating different races on other planets. Why would that be left out? With God excisting outside of time he would know that one day we would be developed enough to understand the concept of life besides our own. Imo if it were true he would have told us.



[edit on 29-10-2009 by Dark Passenger]

reply to post by OldThinker


Why is it that someone who is visited by God is blessed and someone who is visited by ET is a sinful loony?

No True Christian has ever been abducted by Aliens! Right?

Okay OT, you know me, I'm not in any way religious, but (and I can't actually believe I'm going to do this) someone has to stand up for the ordinary God-botherer in the street who has had an abduction experience...

What gives you the right to decide who is or isn't a "true Christian"?

I'm pretty certain there are a lot of people out there who firmly believe that they live a good Christian existence, doing good charitable works, causing no harm to others etc. and would most certainly class themselves as "true Christians" yet they have had experiences which can only be described as "alien abduction". These experiences are often reported as being quite harrowing for the victim & in no way "new-agey" whatsoever. There may even be some such people among us here on ATS. Should they just give up living by their beliefs because you think they cannot be "true Christians"?

You eventually define what you believe is a "true Christian"...

One who WAS/IS/WILL BE forgiven

Catholics (they believe in Christ, ergo they are Christian whether you like it or not) believe that as a representative of God on Earth a priest can absolve them of all sin on behalf of Jesus/God through the sacrament of penance. I'm sure that there are many Catholic abductees out there who have gone to 'confession', then been abducted, and then gone to 'confession' at a later time. By your logic these people would indeed be "true Christians".

Are you going to deny that? You did say this in reply to rnaa after all...

...Catholics or protesants, not true Christians? I never said that/felt that..posted that...

So, unless you can prove that no Catholic has ever been abducted, that looks kinda like a big hole in your argument there to me...

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Hum... you are probably right, I have not looked at it like that. Thanks!

reply to post by OldThinker


No Christian Abducted?
The question Is: Are Christians only concerned with the New Testament?
If yes; then I don't know of any references (although there are probably some archaic ones with St. johns Revelation.
If Christians choose to encompass the Old testament, then we have many.
How about Enoch?
And the lineage of Enoch; whom it is stated "Walked with God"?
And can anyone give me an interpretation of the book of Ezekiel, which describes interactions between "off-worlders" and the prophet.
So, I would suspect that biblical record does indicate abduction, although not in a dogmatic sense.

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sotp,

Not all Catholics are Christains. I am sorry I have to say that but didn't you watch the videos? Ever read about the great whore in Revelations? It is a false religion that is very wealthy that deceives the world. Yes there are some very good Catholics that out of ignorance, well just do not know any better. They realy think they are doing what is right, but not just Catholics also Baptist, Methodist ect... ect... Because they have been decieved into believing things that in the Bible are out right no nos. Without a deep understanding of the Bible I guess a lot of this goes over some peoples heads (I do not mean offence). Many Catholics become possesed, ever heard of any other Christain religion having to to do excersisms? Do you think that is just another kuwinky dink, hardly. If you will study this a little deeper I think it might make more since to you.

reply to post by KRISKALI777


There is a difference between angels and demons.
That is all I had to say about that.

SOTP wrote: Catholics (they believe in Christ, ergo they are Christian whether you like it or not) believe that as a representative of God on Earth a priest can absolve them of all sin on behalf of Jesus/God through the sacrament of penance. I'm sure that there are many Catholic abductees out there who have gone to 'confession', then been abducted, and then gone to 'confession' at a later time. By your logic these people would indeed be "true Christians".

Jesus died on the cross thus we no longer need a go between or no longer need a priest to give penance to. That was absolved when Jesus died and the curtains of the temple ripped. To be a Christain you have to believe in Jesus Christ and believe in him as your savior, OK well if the Catholics truly believed that then they would no longer need the priest nor would they believe that the true way to heaven in through the mother of Christ Mary. See this is a mis conception of what it is to be a Christain. Again one needs to study all of this before they can make a firm decision.

Originally posted by Melissa101

Not all Catholics are Christains.

What utter nonsense, of course they are! Show me a Catholic who does not believe in Jesus and I'll show you a liar.

From Wikipedia:

A Christian...is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic, religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, who Christians believe was the Messiah (the Christ in Greek-derived terminology) prophesied in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible, and the Son of God.

...and again from Wikipedia:

A letter written by Ignatius to Christians in Smyrna[4] around 106 is the earliest surviving witness to the use of the term Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrnaeans). By Catholic Church Ignatius designated the universal church in communion with the Bishop of Rome (the Pope). Ignatius considered that certain heretics of his time, who disavowed that Jesus was a material being who actually suffered and died, saying instead that "he only seemed to suffer" (Smyrnaeans, 2), were not really Christians.

There you go, early Catholic criticises heretics for not believing in the Jesus story.

Lady, I was raised a Catholic and let me tell you they most certainly do believe in Jesus Christ. Did I imagine that giant crucifix above the altar of my local chapel? Were those weekly tales of Jesus all a figment of my imagination?

No.

well if the Catholics truly believed that then they would no longer need the priest nor would they believe that the true way to heaven in through the mother of Christ Mary. See this is a misconception of what it is to be a Christain. Again one needs to study all of this before they can make a firm decision.

No that is not a "misconception of what it is to be a Christian", that is a difference of opinion over how someone communes with God. And you are also wrong about them believing the way into 'Heaven' is through the blessed virgin. They venerate her, as they venerate the sainted apostles but they believe that living by Christ's example is the way into 'Heaven'.

As far as I personally am concerned they are as right as you are - wrong. It's all crap to me now but people are free to believe what they like, I'm not going to judge anyone. However, you seemingly are and that is unbelievably arrogant and non-Christian of you.

"Judge not lest ye be judged"

*edit to add: I do not agree with the obscene wealth the church has gained through the centuries, but the actual grass-roots Catholic doesn't get that money. They go to the chapel to find God, that is what truly important to them, not money. As for demonic posession, can you prove that it is only Catholics who have experienced this? I doubt it.

Anyway, this is derailing the thread somewhat, wouldn't you agree?

[edit on 29/10/09 by sotp]

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Wikipedia? Not my first source for defining a Christain. Try the Bible, not the one written by man that they pass out at the door of the Catholic Church. You are right we are deraling the thread, good point and you are right that that everyone has the right to believe in what they want. I take it you did not watch the videos since you are missing my point. Again I do not want to argue who is right or wrong. But it is a fact that when Yeshua died the curtains of the temple tore and the need to have a priest pray for you to God was absolved. If you believe in Yeshua and you believe he is your savior then why the need to confess to flesh and blood behind a screen? It is contradictory. Again I mean no offence and I am not judging I am stating what the Bible says if the Bible offends and judges then it is doing it's job. Peace...

reply to post by Melissa101

Wikipedia? Not my first source for defining a Christain. Try the Bible, not the one written by man that they pass out at the door of the Catholic Church.

Well, Wikipedia isn't usually my first source for defining anything but it was the quickest way to get my point across. And "try the Bible, not the one written by man"? Is there any other kind? If you believe otherwise then you are being incredibly naive. You can call it the "word of God" all you want but until someone produces an original copy hand-written by the omnipotent one himself then I'll continue to believe it was written and subsequently twisted by various men through the years.

I'm curious to know, based on the things you say and things OT has said in the past, exactly which version of the bible you adhere to (if you don't mind me asking)?

Originally posted by Melissa101

...But it is a fact that when Yeshua died the curtains of the temple tore and the need to have a priest pray for you to God was absolved.

(Sorry, should've said this in my last post)

It is not a fact that the "temple curtains tore" just because you read it in the bible, and Catholics don't need a priest to pray for them, they can do it directly just like anyone else. Priests are there to give spiritual guidance and to help people gain a better understanding of what the bible's message is as they spend more time studying the bible than most people (yourself included I'm sure). They also perform the required rituals, as is the case in most religions.

People of ALL religious creeds and denominations have been abducted. It does not matter if you pray to whatever god you believe in, they are still going to take you. That talk of praying to Jesus or whatever deity from some web-sites and people will NOT help you. Just a warning for anybody who tries...do not expect success.

Originally posted by ImplausibleDeniability

Originally posted by OldThinker
Matthew 7:16 "By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"

Okay let's skip the quotes and give you a straight question that needs a straight answer.

Which of the following are True Christians in your opinion?

1. Roman Catholic
2. Anglican
3. Protestant
4. Baptist
5. Eastern Orthodox
6. Gnostic

Give me a straight answer. No dogma, no quotes, just your answer.

Easy.

A Christian is someone that understands that he/she is a wretched sinner, and has repented (turned away) from a lifestyle of constant sinning, and placed their entire faith in the work that Jesus Christ did on the cross exclusively for their salvation. At the same time, one must believe that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh (perfect creator of all things, author of life, etc), and resurected from the dead literally. A Christian is saved by God's grace alone, and not by his own works. So all the foolish rituals/chants, ceremonies will do nothing for you. This is what makes Christianity different from ALL other religions, because they are all works based at their cores.

The title of whatever church you attend is irrelevent. If the above does not apply to you, you are not a Christian. By the way, this definition is not my opinion, but is taken from the source of our understanding itself the BIBLE. So you can choose to believe it or simply ignore it by telling yourself, "well thats your opinion or interpretation" or "The Bible was written by men", whatever helps you sleep at night.

reply to post by kingofmd


If the bible was truly written by God, surely he would have given man a nice bound hardback copy with quality printing? Not some stone tablets or scrolls in a jar. It is God, the omnipotent & omnipresent deity we're talking about here after all! But he didn't because he didn't write any of it, it is a fabrication by men to use as a tool for gaining power over others. And I don't comfort myself thinking the bible was written by men. In fact, if anything that is a cause for concern, given that so many blindly follow it believing it to be the word of God. Christianity, just like Scientology, is a cult. The fact it's been around for so long doesn't change that. Age does not lend credence to a belief. If it did we'd all be still worshipping the Sun.

I don't mind people believing in a cult if they aren't doing anyone any harm, but unfortunately they have and continue to do so. Blind faith is dangerous. Just look at Islam. Can you tell me with a straight face that such devout following of a religion is a good thing?

But all of this has nothing to do with alien abduction, tales of which are to me a lot easier to swallow than most of what is written in the bible.

[edit on 29/10/09 by sotp]

Originally posted by johnthejedi24
People of ALL religious creeds and denominations have been abducted. ....

OK, can you prove this assertion...?

Evidence? Documented?

OT

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No True Christian has ever been abducted by Aliens! Right?

Dude, can you possibly define what exactly a "true christian is" and why does your post only refer to this type of xtian, why may I ask are you discriminating against all the other types of christians ?

Sorry to spoil your party but any chance of you clarifying this OT ?

I'm having trouble finding any evidence of an xtian being abducted by aliens.
Please provide evidence of an xtian being abducted by aliens, once you've done this could you be courteous enough to explain how you came to the conclusion that this individual is a "real xtian".

Is it because he/she told you so or someone else told you he/she said so ?

Does the individual appear to be in agreement with you in relation as to what being an xtian is really all about and because you may believe you are a "real xtian" this prompts you to conclude that this individual is ?

What if this individual (that has been abducted) is in ageement with you on everything related to xtianity but happens to be homosexual. Is this person then relegated in some way to being almost a "real xtian" but not as real as you ?

I'm bemused OT and am looking forward to your reply (probably one line unrelated quip, a youtube link or a bible verse). Go on OT surprise me lol how about a real explanation it will still count as one of your 4000 plus posts.