Eating Animals is Making us Sick

Originally posted by TrueTruth

anemia.

talk to my ex wife. when she got pregnant, suddenly, her 16 year dedication to vegetarianism was out the window. it wasn't just for her health, but also the baby's.

also, as far as I am aware, there's no non-animal source of b-12, a vital nutrient.

So your wife didn't eat enough food and got anemia? I can assure you it had nothing to do with a vegetarian diet, your wife was probably one of these typical vegetarian retards who thought they could subsist on 1k calories a day.

b12 doesn't come from animal sources its produced in the gut, if what you say is true then why do meat eaters have a higher instance of b12 deficiency then vegans??


your logic is fail and it sounds like your wife couldn't hack it.

Originally posted by TrueTruth
reply to post by Rawhemp

 

re. ridiculous logic.

actually, it makes perfect sense.

try thinking about it this time, and THEN reply.

k?

cool.

My dog eats # sometimes, maybe I should feed him nothing but #? My brother used to eat cigarette butts when he was a baby, maybe babies should eat cigarettes?

Like i said in the original post, animal food in these massive feed lots often consist of meat but cows are in all biological sense herbivores.

Maybe instead of deflecting with idiotic replies you could actually use some of that effort to counter what i say?? That seems beyond you tho

reply to post by Rawhemp


Some bacteria produce b-12 in their gut, but humans do not. We only get it from food - that food being, animals.



ods.od.nih.gov...

Originally posted by TrueTruth
reply to post by Rawhemp

 

Some bacteria produce b-12 in their gut, but humans do not. We only get it from food - that food being, animals.



ods.od.nih.gov...

According to who? your link proves nothing except that the government thinks i should take supplements and eat meat . FYI the government recommends a lot of stupid stuff.

Humans have been vegetarian creatures for millions of years till recently, we have always been able to get everything we need from fruits and vegetables alone and always will be.

I know i do, along with thousands(maybe millions?) of other vegetarians/vegans.

reply to post by Rawhemp


Oye.

I'll try this again.

When we observe animals, and classify them as herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores, we do so based on simple observation of what it is they eat. Like our closest genetic relative, the chimps, we can and do eat meat.

Re. what babies put in their mouths.... this is just ridiculous. Any animal with a big enough throat COULD eat a non-food item, but this is no basis upon which to decide what it "should" eat.

Re. dogs eating poop. Here again, it's a non food item. This is not too dissimilar to the baby example.

It can hardly be argued that meat is a non food. The only argument, is whether we 'should' eat it, and in reality, this this a matter of opinion - a moral judgement - not a medical or biological judgement.

The better question is, why SHOULDN'T we eat meat?

reply to post by Rawhemp


"According to who? your link proves nothing except that the government thinks i should take supplements and eat meat . FYI the government recommends a lot of stupid stuff."

Good lord. So now, the entire NIH is lying to you? I have a family member who works there, and I assure you, that's absurd. But go ahead - find other scientific sources to argue against THEIR information. If you want other sources, I'm sure it would only take a few minutes. Not that you seem to be inclined to care.

And I don't know where you got the idea that human were vegetarian for millions of years.

Here's a fresh article about the latest science on the subject:

www.nytimes.com...


lemmie guess....the nyt is in cahoots with the NIH and a secret cabal of ranchers to poison us with hamburgers?

Originally posted by TrueTruth

The better question is, why SHOULDN'T we eat meat?

Because it causes disease, watch the video i posted.

Your observational theory is so flawed it's not even funny, i won't even begin to pick it apart but let me just state humans are free will creatures with the power to make all kinds of retarded choices, i can go shoot up heroin and start eating paper if i wanted, just because we can do something does not make it healthy, good or natural.

keep taking the recommendations from your government that is there to keep you safe. Maybe once you get cancer or heart disease they can save you with their magic pills

reply to post by Rawhemp



The article is about factory farms. The title is misleading.

You can get ecoli from spinich.

My observational theories are logically sound. It's to the point that we apply different moral concepts to ourselves, than we do to animals.

So, the NIH is lying to me about b-12? this is a grand conspiracy? and you attack MY theories as ridiculous? good lord.

Look - if you want to be a vegetarian, knock yourself out. I just happen to disagree with the way the issue is moralized, as if it's 'bad' to eat animals, when it is only natural. I also resent the misleading article title. I further resent how self righteous vegetarians such as yourself can so often be.

I'm not going to watch your video. You have no respect or apparent need for science, so I likely won't learn anything worth the time.

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ok. i glanced at the video. skimmed it. it's propaganda, not actual science.

the only diet proven to prolong life expectancy, is a reduced calorie diet. and this is a very restrictive thing, if you don't already know about it.

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why is it that those who readily embrace conspiracies tend to also be those who disregard science?

oh well.


just do me a favor, and take your green jihad elsewhere. been there, done that, moved on.





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Originally posted by TrueTruth


ok. i glanced at the video. skimmed it. it's propaganda, not actual science.

the only diet proven to prolong life expectancy, is a reduced calorie diet. and this is a very restrictive thing, if you don't already know about it.

Lets hear how its propaganda with no actual science? You clearly didn't watch one bit of the video, except for maybe the first 20 seconds.

For anyone interested in the video it has plenty of science to back it up and interviews with a couple different doctors including one of the leading heart doctors who has the most successful ongoing study about heart disease.

This issue has nothing to do with animal rights, its all about health for me.

reply to post by Rawhemp



Propaganda often makes selective use of data.

But why don't you just cite the relevant sources, or reference them directly?

I caught a bit at the end where there was a picture of some folks at a BBQ with the phrase "dumbest animal on the planet" across them on the screen.

That's propaganda. And reason enough to dismiss it as such. Ir the science is so rock solid, why the resort to grade school level insults?

and FYI - asking people in a message board debate to watch a 90 minute video so that you don't have to properly source things, is just bad form.

If you want to be vegetarian, be vegetarian.

But what on earth has that got to do with being so incredibly arrogant and rude? Here's a free tip: it doesn't boost a person's credibility - think, Bill O'Reilly.





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reply to post by Rawhemp


I just noticed that you called my exwife a retard, assuming she hardly ate.

Trust me, she ate plenty. She was a very healthy weight. Anemia's unrelated, son.

And if you called her that to her face, she's take you out. Trust me. She's one of the toughest people I know.

And you are a flat out terrible human being.

You are now on ignore.

Hope you choke on a celery stalk, jerk.

Originally posted by TrueTruth

Anemia's unrelated, son.

Actually it is considering most vegetables and fruits contain iron. Maybe she tried to live on nothing but tofu and rice. She clearly didn't get anemia eating a balanced diet

You can always choose to ignore people who don't agree with what you believe, that works!

Originally posted by TrueTruth
reply to post by dzonatas

 

well, i think you were trying to insult me, but quite honestly, it didn't really come through too clearly. do you think I really don't know what bacon is or what's in it?

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it's very easy to make fun of other people's spiritual experiences, isn't it? very classy. funny how people are the most comfortable speaking with arrogant assurance on topics they know the least about.

I didn't have any intention to insult you or make fun of you. I only had the intention to make you and other think about food and sources (of those vital nutrients).

I don't accept being made out to be arrogant especially when I wasn't. Please, don't try to avoid the issue of unseasoned dry meat so fast.

If somebody is a true carnivore, they wouldn't have to cook or season the meat they eat.

i became vegetarian at the age of 12, and i am vegan since 7 years.
my blood levels are better than of fellow human beings with a non vegan diet.
i am healthy and strong, and rather muscular, and also my mood is steady.

so can defy any rumours abt aenemic vegans, at least what concerns my person.
it's a cock and bull story, that humans need meat, or are meant to eat meat, since teeth and intestins are not appropriate for a carnivore diet. it is rather that the adverse effects of such a diet cause are so called 'life style' diseases...

i did a lot of research, and for me it is evident, that the human body benefits form a non- meat diet. and the environnement and the (fair) economy, too.

stay healthy!

best,
bertrand

reply to post by Divinorumus


Wow, that was totally unnecessary to insult the other poster's intelligence! That disqualifies the rest of your post too. With regards to your link about the 103 year old vegetarian, many people have lived past 100 and claim it's because they enjoyed life, including smoking sometimes, drinking sometimes, and yes eating bacon or whatever. You have failed at making the points that you think you made.

reply to post by Divinorumus


Fail again.....

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reply to post by Avarus


The reason people get angry is because we are sick of being told that we are evil for eating meat, or that we are making ourselves sick because of eating meat, and that we should, yeah, stop eating meat. I don't go out of my way to tell the vegetarians and vegans in my life that they need to eat meat, but they tell me a lot that I need to stop eating it. That is where my anger comes from at least. However, the OP linked to the article that was talking about the bad stuff related to modern industrial animal farming practices, not abstaining from eating meat. This whole thread has gotten off the main topic. And I do actually agree with you that many people in our society eat far too much meat.

reply to post by Divinorumus


Again, this thread is not about eating meat. It's about the negative aspects associated with modern animal farming practices. And no, I don't think that I would be against eating cheeseburgers if aliens started eating us. That was a ridiculous analogy, unless you just sound ridiculous stating an intelligently though out analogy.....mmmm I'm thinking no. Fail again. Sorry.

reply to post by Divinorumus


"Maybe it's their anger showing through because of their lack of will power to break this connection they have with eating flesh and blood, death, and it's being vented upon us stronger willed and morally higher creatures of Earth, ha. Of course, murderers do have a lack of compassion, that much is obvious, and that could be showing sometimes too. "

You seriously cannot be for real. I think that you are morally lower than I because you resort to insults and claiming that you are better than me because I enjoy a wide variety of foods. Hmmm, I think you are feeling the need to overcompensate for something else in your life. Just a thought. Oh yeah and if you want to point out that I have been insulting you, then notice that I only responded in the same way that you have been talking to others. You say that I eat death? Do you not realize that the veggies you eat were once alive? Again, your attempt at using an analogy to prove a point failed.

reply to post by Wallachian


And did the "attacking" (in quotation marks because I didn't interpret it as an attack) of the other member discount his statements? It may have been harsh, but really made good points. That is what we should focus on. It is true that the reason that we get so angry is because a lot! of vegetarians attack us even in person. That's ridiculous.