Chemtrails: US Patent #5003186: Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding For Reduction Of Global Warming

And of course the Chinese are getting in on this activity as well...

CMA.GOV.CN Weather Modification

Weather Modification
Source:
The organized weather modification program in China can be traced back to 1958. It is led by local governments and managed by meteorological services, an arrangement adopted since 1990s. In 1994, the regular coordination meeting on national weather modification was introduced while on 1 May 2002, the Regulations on Weather Modification began to be executed.

Weather modification includes artificial rain enhancement and hail suppression, which are aimed to increase water resources, alleviate agricultural drought, guard against hail, fight forest fire and improve eco-environment. Airplanes are used to spread catalytic agents like silver iodide, dry ice and liquid nitrogen in cloud while anti aircraft guns and rockets as well as incinerators are used to release the agent of silver iodide from ground up into cloud.

Studies and experiments have been made along with the weather modification operations, such as Analysis of Macro and Micro Structures of Precipitation Cloud, Conditions Required for Artificial Rain Enhancement, Efficient Seeding Agents and Techniques, Behavior of Hailstone Cloud, Microstructure of Hailstone, Numerical Modeling of Cloud and Precipitation, Cloud Observation and Fog Dispersion.

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Chinese Weather Manipulation Experiments To Increase

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Chemtrails, which are also commonly referred to as aerosols, differ from aircraft vapour trails in that they often linger in the sky for hours and can be seen in grid-like patterns, in parallel lines (see above) or forming ‘X’s in the sky.

Evidence collected for over a decade reveals that chemtrails are used for at least seven functions, including weather control and military applications, and are comprised of a wide variety of harmful ingredients. They commonly include aluminium and barium, which are toxic to both humans and to the environment. They may include radioactive thorium, desiccated red blood cells, dangerous pathogens, including Mycoplasma Fermentens Incognitus, plus mold spores, ethylene dibromide, and self-replicating nanotubes that cause Morgellon’s disease, which according to researcher Clifford Carnicom’s findings, now contaminate virtually everyone.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by AllSeeingI

 

Noticed a few new chemtrail threads popping up and the same ol debunking strategies in play.

Because of people like YOU who have been bamboozled by the nonsense.

This "Welsbach" patent idea has been thoroughly trounced.

"Chemtrail" posters on ATS simple parrot the same, same, same ol' crap they read about at the same, same, same ol' junk "chemtrail" websites, who themselves are thoroughly debunked, many times over.

ONCE this baloney gets put onto the Web, it is viral...THAT is the true danger of "chemtrails"....

But, let's examine all the MANY 'beliefs'? NO? I won't bother, here...so many other ATS threads have already done...


The "chemtrailers", in essence, make a variety of outrageous claims, up to and including commercial passenger airliners are involved in this (they ARE NOT, BTW!) and when that gets pointed out, 'they' alter their tactics, and just keep moving goalposts.

YOUR "Welsbach" patent thread is a clear example of this method of distraction.

There is NO consensus among these various "claims"...just pure speculation, littered with incredibly bad scientific claims, and many, many outright deceptions, lies, and misrepresentations.


The only thing is...this "Welsbach" patent idea COULD, someday, be put to use. IF, and only IF, it becomes a dire enough situation, regarding the Global climate, AND if there is international agreement on it.

THEN, it will NOT be 'secret'!!! (Sheesh!! The patent itself is no secret...how paranoid can people get, when they lose all logic and reasoning abilities?)

Get it yet?

I must really be striking close to the truth to get you so-riled up. BTW you havent shown anything that has disproved the possibility that this is taking place. You wont even entertain the possibility of some Chemtrailesqe type of activity. That is like claiming you know each and every secret government project and tech that the top levels of government are working on. To claim such a thing is laughable.

I have not been bamboozled. I came to my own conclusions about something suspicious going on in the sky BEFORE I ever read anything about chemtrail stories. I saw with my own eyes before your so-called bamboozlement would ever have gotten to me.

Sorry if I think logically and judge for myself what I see and know... I know this is not what the powers-that-be would like from the ol AllSeeingI, well they can suck my massive truth wagon.


You are calling me a liar but nothing I have said is a lie. May be suspicions, theories.... but lying indicates that I am deliberately attempting at deceiving the readers, I am not. I have always sought the truth.

You have no more authority on this subject than I have. You pop-in to every chemtrail thread and try to shut down the discussion. You cannot stop people from asking questions. The debate will never be over. To think you have the authority to claim so is foolish. Especially when you have yet to make a single counter argument which disproves my logic.

Do YOU get it yet?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by AllSeeingI

 

That a secret program/experiment could exist involving government tankers like the KC135 spraying a substance into the high atmosphere between 30,000ft-55,000.

Certainly, a "secret" program could exist...but, IF you, or anyone else, wishes to "out" them, then it is dead easy.

United States Air Force operated 454 KC-135s (184 active duty, 64 reserve, and 206 guard) as of September 2008.

From en.wikipedia.org...

Also, from that link, you can research where all of those airplanes are based. Both the ANG and USAF Wings.

THEN, just get out, and watch them! Get people to camp out, near the bases, and take notes, when they depart, when they return, etc. See if the USAF or ANG publishes schedules of their training exercises. Investigate the USAF, and its roster of pilots...find out how many hours each crewmwmber actually gets to fly, every month. This should not, for the most part, be "top secret" stuff.

Oh really? just as easy as organizing an army of volunteers to monitor US Military bases 24/7, monitoring frequencies, and air-traffic.... All without being hassled by the Military police surrounding the bases. Even if that were possible, to think that there arent secret airbases for such activity is naive.

And to assume they would publicly publish training exercises which included chemtrail flights. If such an operation existed obviously they wouldnt. And lets also not expect WIKI or any government website to give us an accurate count of its aircraft. Ridiculous. .

So, NO... it is not that easy thats the point.

ATC wont talk.

The operations are most likely compartmentalized and everyone is on a need to know. The pilots fly the plane, while others conduct experiments.

reply to post by AllSeeingI


so ur name is all-seeing-eye and ur telling me chemtrails are noble and just.

i'm lol'ing all the way to the next thread.

i see all.

enjoy ur day good sir

This video is of Peter Vereecke talking about the Belfort-Groups Case Orange Study on Contrail Science


This is the Case Orange report in PDF format.
coto2.files.wordpress.com...

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
This video is of Peter Vereecke talking about the Belfort-Groups Case Orange Study on Contrail Science

This is the Case Orange report in PDF format.
coto2.files.wordpress.com...

Thanks Mat for the pdf link,

I hope everyone takes the time to read it+

reply to post by smurfy


Your quite welcome Smurfy. Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I was temporarily banned from posting on ATS. Just in case anyone missed this

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew

 

I wanted to share these two links with everyone. The first one is to the ATS Live podcast on Sat. March 12, 2011 on chemtrails. The show featured Dr.Lenny Thyme and the producer of "What in the World are they spraying" Michael J Murphy. The chemtrail segment begins in the second hour of the show at approximately 1:01:00..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The second link is to a thread that was made with Dr Lenny Thyme before the show.aired

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Both the podcast and the later thread have a slight bit of controversy surrounding their abrupt ending. During the podcast at about 1:38:00 Michael J Murphy gets intentionally disconnected from the show by it's host. The following thread with Dr.Thyme was closed to more comments for unknown reasons.

American Meteorological Society Journal

4. Remarks—Climatic impact

It is interesting that the mean optical depth found in this case (0.35) corresponds to that found in climatological satellite measurements by Ponater et al. (2002) and Minnis et al. (2004), and that the microphysical properties are consistent with a wide range of observations and models by prior authors. Accordingly, it is appropriate to speculate on their effect on climate.

The issue of the impact of contrail-generated cirrus (CS) on climate change has been treated by a number of investigators. Sassen (1997) suggested that the unusually small particles typical of many persistent contrails might favor the albedo cooling over the greenhouse warming. Using a 2D mesoscale cloud model Khvorostyanov and Sassen (1998) computed the distribution of the mean crystal radius, concentration, and ice water content of a contrail after 30 min of development. They found a twofold effect. At the surface, the net greenhouse minus albedo effect was negative with a cooling of 15 W m−2. However, at the top of the atmosphere (corresponding to the entire atmospheric column), the net effect was a warming of 8 W m−2. We note that the latter simulation for the early stage of the cloud produced very large concentrations of small crystals and that the longwave warming would be increased relative to the shortwave cooling with the much larger particles, such as found in the present study.

reply to post by AllSeeingI

Since you didn't comment I suppose it means you agree that contrails turn into cirrus clouds and cirrus clouds induce a net warming effect.

However, at the top of the atmosphere (corresponding to the entire atmospheric column), the net effect was a warming of 8 W m−2.

Nevertheless, using results from a general circulation model simulation of contrails, Minnis et al. (2004) found that the cirrus trends resulting from contrails in the United States are estimated to cause a tropospheric warming of 0.2°–0.3°C decade−1, a range that includes the observed trend of 0.27°C decade−1 between 1975 and 1994. One must emphasize that, even if correct, this is a regional effect. We may summarize the various studies as follows:
1. regional effects in the 1990s in the United States and Europe have a cover of 0.5%–2% with a maximum over Europe of 0.35%, and warming of 0.1–0.2 W m−2, and
2. global effects that are about 0.1 of the regional values.

journals.ametsoc.org...

CFR Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering


www.cfr.org...


PDF
www.cfr.org...

There are a variety of strategies, such as injecting light-reflecting particles into the stratosphere, that might be used to modify the Earth’s atmosphere-ocean system in an attempt to slow or reverse global warming. All of these "geoengineering" strategies involve great uncertainty and carry significant risks. They may not work as expected, imposing large unintended consequences on the climate system. While offsetting warming, most strategies are likely to leave other impacts unchecked, such as acidification of the ocean, the destruction of coral reefs, and changes in composition of terrestrial ecosystems. Yet, despite uncertain and very negative potential consequences, geoengineering might be needed to avert or reverse some dramatic change in the climate system, such as several meters of sea level rise that could impose disaster on hundreds of millions of people.

PDF
www.cfr.org...

1. Provide a very brief non-technical summary of basic
climate science;
2. Offer an even briefer summary of what's involved in
mitigating climate change;
3. Explain what geoengineering is, and why it might be
attractive to some actors;
4. Say a few words about some of the undesirable
consequences of geoengineering.
5. Explain why, if we are unlucky, the world may need
to collectively engage in geoengineering

If sulfur aerosol is used: more acid rain

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
CFR Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering


www.cfr.org...

You should have read 1 or 2 more paragraphs - like this one:

This workshop will focus on the question of strategies for constraining and shaping
geoengineering. We will explore formal, legal strategies as well as informal efforts to
create norms that could govern testing and deployment of geoengineering systems and
their possible undesirable consequences. We will probe whether it is possible to limit the
use of geoengineering to circumstances of collective action by the international
community in the face of true global emergencies and what might happen when there are
disputes over when the emergency “trigger” should be pulled.

so they are looking at how to LIMIT geoengineering - how to put a governance framework around it so that there will be NO unilateral use of it.

and of course a year of so later tehre is such as limitation put in place - the UN conference on Biodiversity puts a moratorium on any geoengineering that might affect biodivesity - which effectively means all of it.

You should be delighted with this!!

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I read the whole document and I have read many others as well. I'm not supposed to post the entire document. Maybe you should read more. If you want to cut and paste one paragraph and pretend that you have acuratly described the entire thing, well that's your mistake not mine.

reply to post by MathiasAndrew

But that's the thing. You post a part of it and make no comment. Why post any of it? You post youtube videos with none of your own comments. You post links with none of your own comments.

What do you think was being discussed. Why do you think it?

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

I read the whole document and I have read many others as well. I'm not supposed to post the entire document. Maybe you should read more. If you want to cut and paste one paragraph and pretend that you have acuratly described the entire thing, well that's your mistake not mine.

I posted and described some of the aims of the conference.

Which part is incorrect? Are you saying they were not seeking to provide the sort of intrnational regulatory regime I described? Were they trying to achieve something else that contradicts those statements?

If so what is it that they were trying to achieve? You didn't actually say what yuuo thought they were "up to" in your first post.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MathiasAndrew

 

But that's the thing. You post a part of it and make no comment. Why post any of it? You post youtube videos with none of your own comments. You post links with none of your own comments.

What do you think was being discussed. Why do you think it?

edit on 3/24/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I don't feel comfortable discussing my personal opinions with this particular group any more. At least not in the way that you all want to discuss it. I would prefer a change of venue where the topic can be discussed more freely and openly without the typical, uncalled for aggressive nature of the responses. If you would like to discuss my personal opinions about this subject you can join the discussion here.....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think I might have a feeling what you're thinking right now........ "Oh no not another chemtrail thread."..... Right ?

reply to post by MathiasAndrew

You never did explain what "chemtrails" at night could do to alleviate global warming.
I thought you said you would. I waited patiently and you abandoned me.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MathiasAndrew

 

You never did explain what "chemtrails" at night could do to alleviate global warming.
I thought you said you would. I waited patiently and you abandoned me.

edit on 3/24/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I absolutely explained that quite awhile ago. You're in the wrong thread. Go find the thread where you asked me that question. You will find that I answered that qusetion and asked you to expand and be more specific if you wanted me to go into more detail.
Here i found it for you.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MathiasAndrew

 

Can you help me out with how a "reflective cloud" can help with geoengineering?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Well I think this should be obvious don't you ? But anyway, your link actually says "a reflective cloud at night" (not sure why you put the night part in there and you did seem to leave that part out this time.)

I am no expert but I will do my best. The reflective cloud doesn't allow as much solar radiation, visible and invisible light spectrum's to reach the Earth.. Other stars in our galaxy also emit these forces so the cloud could potentially still work at night.

Depending on it's altitude the effectiveness varies. Some of the light bounces off the cloud particles. You know that dark material absorbs light waves and lighter material reflects light waves. Like how on a hot Summer day a white T-shirt is cooler to wear than a black T-shirt. So the whiter the cloud the better it's reflective nature.

You are correct in stating that the clouds also prevent the Earth's radiative forces from escaping. Which some geo engineers say negates the whole purpose. But the models suggest that only a slight change in the Earth's total albedo could still have significant impact on Global warming.

One theory is to put large quantities of particulates only at the Earth's poles to prevent the ice caps from melting so quickly. Others say that Global warming is a myth and is actually due to other forces happening in our galaxy. Because other planets are also showing signs of warming. There is another theory about the Earth's vibrations speeding up. Which we all know the faster a vibration the more friction and heat is generated.

Please be more specific with another question if you want me to continue on reflective clouds.

reply to post by MathiasAndrew

Thank you. I will reply in that thread.

Originally posted by MathiasAndrew

I don't feel comfortable discussing my personal opinions with this particular group any more. At least not in the way that you all want to discuss it.

Yes I can understand that - it fits well with my concept ofthe chemtrail faithful that I have posted to your new thread.

Trouble is, of course, you still can't censor threads on ATS, so you're still going to be stuck with "You got any evidence for that?" no matter how you try to disguise your position.

If you would like to discuss my personal opinions about this subject you can join the discussion here.....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I applaud you for at realising that the chemtrail hoax cannot be discussed in any factual context.

Now all you have to do is realise that it can't be discussed in any factual context because it is bunkum.