The Men Who Stare At Goats : Secret Missions, Movies, and Propaganda

reply to post by Pay4dadro


Thanks for including the photos from the movie.

I need to go see it soon.

Thanks or posting as well.

reply to post by GENERAL EYES


Okay, GE, my darlin, why do you think there was an air of seriousness in the theater?

Did you go to an all military theater (on base)?

Or do you think the somber and seriousness comes from the events of Fort Hood?

I have to wonder, because from what I have seen of the commercials, the movie looks hilarious.

Also, I have to wonder at the civilian thoughts on so hokey a project, not you, but other people who see budget wasting as in very bad taste for our tax dollars.

Have you seen the movie The Pentagon Wars?

The Pentagon Wars


Hilarious movie, showing as well the idiocy in the Pentagon, and the waste of tax-payers money.

It's supposed to be based on the book below :

The Pentagon Wars: Reformers Challenge the Old Guard

Amazon Review :

Former Air Force Colonel Burton spent 14 years as a Pentagon specialist in weapons acquisition and testing before his retirement in 1986.

In this angry, controversial, convincing brief, he testifies that the process of selecting and purchasing weapons for our armed forces is "ethically and morally corrupt from top to bottom," with few checks and balances.

The most scathing and damning portions of the expose illustrate how Pentagon procurement officers routinely give more consideration to satisfying defense contractors than to the safety of the troops who will use a given weapon on the field.

Burton recalls the fuss he raised over the Bradley Fighting Vehicle's vulnerability to anti-armor weapons, and though (reluctantly made) design changes improved the safety of the vehicle, Burton suffered both personally and professionally for his boat-rocking, as he shows here.

Ultimately, he is not optimistic: the flaws in weapons procurement are probably permanent, Burton concludes, since the reforms he and others forced were only temporary.

I had never heard of the book before now but I definitely want to read it.

All of this reminds me of the book :

Imaginary Weapons: A Journey Through the Pentagon's Scientific Underworld

Amazon Review :

The Pentagon's fascination with fringe science is old news, writes veteran defense reporter Weinberger in this incisive study, but the Bush administration has pushed it to new levels of wackiness.

After reviewing our government's pursuit of antimatter weapons, psychics and telepathy, she focuses on a "nuclear hand grenade" that may cost billions and seems certain to fail.

Before the War on Terror and the avalanche of government money for advanced new weapons, few paid attention to physicists who said they could harness the energy of unstable atomic nuclei, or "isomers," through a wildly expensive process involving atomic reactors.

But in recent years, a group of fringe scientists aided by defense industry insiders has convinced the Pentagon that America's post-9/11 survival depends on developing an isomer bomb.

While proponents compare it to the Manhattan Project, opponents point out that independent researchers have not been able to duplicate the results attained by isomer enthusiasts, and that many assumptions behind the bomb contradict the laws of physics.

Though Congress canceled isomer bomb development in 2004, the Department of Energy found $5 million to continue the research.

Imaginary Weapons : Part 1 of 5


Imaginary Weapons : Part 2 of 5


Imaginary Weapons : Part 3 of 5


Imaginary Weapons : Part 4 of 5


Imaginary Weapons : Part 5 of 5


[edit on 16-11-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

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Went to a civilian theatre here in town (we're a retirement community).

I was one of three younger generation members there, everyone else in the small matinee showing was over the age of 60. Lots of retired military here, law enforcement and war veterans.

When (if) you see the film - you'll see the presentation is very serious and matter of fact - the teaser gives more of a silly lighthearted comedy, but the actual film is anything but.

There are ironic moments and a bit of levity, but it's mingled well within the higher context of the film and isn't really "kneeslapping" material.

I was really impressed how well they broached the subject.

*edit to add:

They even touched on the darker side of the MKUltra experiments - and I'm sure the recent tragedy in Ft. Hood may have been reponsible for the somber atmosphere.



[edit on 11/16/09 by GENERAL EYES]

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Well, GE, that explains it a bit more in depth, and thank you for posting back.

Yes, I can see where that's headed with seniors, the topic of MK-Ultra being broached, and as well the Fort Hood incidents timing with your movie going experience.

I will see it, I have planned to see it, regardless of anyone else's thoughts on it.

So, the trailer shows more of the humor, that's disappointing.

Like the movie The Sixth Sense or Unbreakeable showing the highlights.

I figured out The Sixth Sense in ten minutes, and was asleep, it bored me.

Unbreakable pissed me off to no end, they showed all the high-impact action in the trailer, and the movie was rather dull and boring to me, so I hope TMWSAG does not end the same way for me, I hate wasting my money.

I will see it as a matinee just to offset a potential for that.

More movie propaganda, preparing you through indoctrination, for a cataclysm.

The Road - Official Trailer [HD]


The Road (Movie Tie-in Edition 2009) (Vintage International) (Paperback)

Amazon Review : Dennis Lehane : Special Guest Reviewer :

Dennis Lehane, master of the hard-boiled thriller, generated a cult following with his series about private investigators Patrick Kenzie and Angela Gennaro, wowed readers with the intense and gut-wrenching Mystic River, blew fans all away with the mind-bending Shutter Island, and switches gears with Coronado, his new collection of gritty short stories (and one play).

Cormac McCarthy sets his new novel, The Road, in a post-apocalyptic blight of gray skies that drizzle ash, a world in which all matter of wildlife is extinct, starvation is not only prevalent but nearly all-encompassing, and marauding bands of cannibals roam the environment with pieces of human flesh stuck between their teeth.

If this sounds oppressive and dispiriting, it is.

McCarthy may have just set to paper the definitive vision of the world after nuclear war, and in this recent age of relentless saber-rattling by the global powers, it's not much of a leap to feel his vision could be not far off the mark nor, sadly, right around the corner.

Stealing across this horrific (and that's the only word for it) landscape are an unnamed man and his emaciated son, a boy probably around the age of ten. It is the love the father feels for his son, a love as deep and acute as his grief, that could surprise readers of McCarthy's previous work.

McCarthy's Gnostic impressions of mankind have left very little place for love.

In fact that greatest love affair in any of his novels, I would argue, occurs between the Billy Parham and the wolf in The Crossing.

But here the love of a desperate father for his sickly son transcends all else. McCarthy has always written about the battle between light and darkness; the darkness usually comprises 99.9% of the world, while any illumination is the weak shaft thrown by a penlight running low on batteries.

In The Road, those batteries are almost out--the entire world is, quite literally, dying--so the final affirmation of hope in the novel's closing pages is all the more shocking and maybe all the more enduring as the boy takes all of his father's (and McCarthy's) rage at the hopeless folly of man and lays it down, lifting up, in its place, the oddest of all things: faith.

--Dennis Lehane

'2012' Trailer HD


The Complete Idiot's Guide to 2012

Amazon Review :

On December 21, 2012, the Mayan calendar will complete its thirteenth cycle.

According to the Mayan belief system, the world will end.

And if you don’t believe the Mayans, you can check in with The Bible Code, The Nostradamus Code, or The Orion Prophecy, all of which predict planet-wide doom.

Then again, maybe the year 2012 is just a new opportunity.

Could 2012 bring us good things instead of bad?

This book gives readers a look at what the Mayan prophecy is all about, what it means to them, and much more.

•Addresses Mayan predictions about global warming and climate change

•Includes a glossary of terms and symbols, resources for a changing world, and exercises to assist the reader in their journey

•The existence of almost 600,000 websites on 2012 indicates a huge fascination with this subject

[edit on 20-11-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I went and saw The Men Who Stare At Goats last night and I was laughing so hard the whole time, as were most of the people in the theater, but I noticed a lot of things within the movie that were made to be silly looking, were actual things that it would seem like the main people within the movie might have seen while watching Star Wars.

They did say the program took place during the 80's, which means those movies were out by then, and some of the things they pushed as being completely silly are things that are martial arts techniques, talking of course using your mind as the weapon first, then the body, reacting only as things happen being fluid with what is happening at the moment.

I was both laughing, but at the same time I saw the things through the guise of comedy, and I was impressed.

I will ask this though.

Did anyone else notice the correlation of Bill Django and Jango Fett?

Wikipedia : The Men Who Stare At Goats (Movie)

Wikipedia : Jango Fett

What I am referring to is the change from Jim Channon to Bill Django, and as well actor Ewan McGregor (a young Obi-Wan Kenobi), and Django "cloning" the "apprentice Jedi" to act like him, almost as if showing us the Star Wars franchises in the specific order they were shown, and as well the other movies promoting cloning (The Island, The Sixth Day, etc) indoctrinating us into the process of accepting a coming "Clone War" where cloning will become commonplace, and where our soldiers may in fact soon be on their way to being clones in order to stop civilians from getting into the military.


[edit on 25-11-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I've worked with this guy, and he's scary... but that's another story.
www.colinandrews.net...

His books include “Future War: Non-Lethal Weapons in Twenty-First Century Warfare,”
and “Winning the War: Advanced Weapons, Strategies and Concepts for the Post-9/11
World.”
He's an expert on microwave weapons and other wacky stuff.

Originally posted by JJay55
I've worked with this guy, and he's scary... but that's another story.
www.colinandrews.net...

His books include “Future War: Non-Lethal Weapons in Twenty-First Century Warfare,”
and “Winning the War: Advanced Weapons, Strategies and Concepts for the Post-9/11
World.”
He's an expert on microwave weapons and other wacky stuff.

Now that is quite interesting indeed.

Quote from : Hollywood’s Attention Unwelcome. Retired Colonel John Alexander (George Clooney Portrayed Him)

Rtd Col John Alexander. Copyright: Sam Morris, Las Vegas Sun.

Retired Col. John Alexander of Las Vegas is loosely the basis for a character played by George Clooney in the upcoming movie “The Men Who Stare at Goats.”.

Read update below

This is definitely a fascinating article because the author alleges that Retired Colonel John Alexander claims both the book and movie are extrapolating this Secret Project beyond belief.

Dr. Alexander likes to talk about himself. Some of these guys have egos bigger than Texas. ;-)
I would describe him as of the keeper of the Minority Report (movie) project, using his resources to the fullest for the government and draining the people delivering the goods (the psychics in the tank). While Clooney makes the character lovable there is a dark side to these operatives that they laugh off over a few drinks while delivering abuse indirectly.
Also he is involved with non-lethals, which I think are sicko weapons. Microwaves and sonic crowd control weapons. Of course the ones that were experimented on had their insides fried up, oopsie.

Originally posted by JJay55
Dr. Alexander likes to talk about himself. Some of these guys have egos bigger than Texas. ;-)
I would describe him as of the keeper of the Minority Report (movie) project, using his resources to the fullest for the government and draining the people delivering the goods (the psychics in the tank). While Clooney makes the character lovable there is a dark side to these operatives that they laugh off over a few drinks while delivering abuse indirectly.
Also he is involved with non-lethals, which I think are sicko weapons. Microwaves and sonic crowd control weapons. Of course the ones that were experimented on had their insides fried up, oopsie.

Oh, I realize that.

It is quite interesting to read, research, and cross-reference that stuff.

You get a clear picture and as well sift through all the bull puckey.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by JJay55
Dr. Alexander likes to talk about himself. Some of these guys have egos bigger than Texas. ;-)
I would describe him as of the keeper of the Minority Report (movie) project, using his resources to the fullest for the government and draining the people delivering the goods (the psychics in the tank). While Clooney makes the character lovable there is a dark side to these operatives that they laugh off over a few drinks while delivering abuse indirectly.
Also he is involved with non-lethals, which I think are sicko weapons. Microwaves and sonic crowd control weapons. Of course the ones that were experimented on had their insides fried up, oopsie.

Oh, I realize that.

It is quite interesting to read, research, and cross-reference that stuff.

You get a clear picture and as well sift through all the bull puckey.

But surprisingly there are those in agencies that are dedicated to human rights who don't allow these guys to get too big or go too far. So then their choices are narrowed to writing books and making movies about themselves.
But the the paranormal studies are still out there, if the enemy has it then we have to have it. Good defensive measures! Currently Islam uses many mystics since their cause is so spiratual. The US has equal numbers and better technology in the field since we started this program in the 50's.

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I agree.

Most people find the obsessive oppression of bureaucracy more than they can swallow.

Choking off any control of what they say and do not say, which leads to books being written.

I was laughing all through the movie but as well remembering my knowledge of the program before going in and cross-referencing it with how they changed the movie to push an agenda.

Alexander isn't sexy as the others in the business. And he's not anywhere as cute as Clooney. But some of those guys have really big... brains. Yummy.

Here are a few movies that I feel are being directed via propaganda.

The Book of Eli [Trailer 1] [HD] 2010

Quote from : Wikipedia : The Book of Eli

The Book of Eli is an upcoming post-apocalyptic action film directed by the Hughes brothers and starring Denzel Washington, Gary Oldman and Mila Kunis.

Filming began in New Mexico in February 2009.

The film is scheduled to be released on January 15, 2010.

The Road - Official Trailer [HD]

Quote from : Wikipedia : The Road

The Road is a 2009 film directed by John Hillcoat and written by Joe Penhall.

Based on the 2006 novel of the same name by American author Cormac McCarthy, the film stars Viggo Mortensen and Kodi Smit-McPhee as a father and his son in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Filming took place in Pennsylvania, Louisiana, and Oregon.

The film received a limited release in North American cinemas from November 25, 2009 and is scheduled to be released in UK cinemas on January 4, 2010.

Daybreakers - Official Trailer [HD]

Quote from : Wikipedia : Daybreakers

Daybreakers is an upcoming 2010 vampire film written and directed by Peter and Michael Spierig.

The film stars Ethan Hawke, Willem Dafoe and Sam Neill. Filming took place in Australia from July to September 2007.

Daybreakers is scheduled to be released in the United Kingdom on January 6, 2010 and in North America on January 8, 2010.

Here's the kicker as far as I see in that I believe the Hollywood idiots are working through covert means to condition us to accept some horrendous end, because of the False Flag Operations that have been going on, and that will continue via covert means through cut-outs, pushed people, or driven people who are pursued, harrased, and or maligned because of the elitist agenda of Government who believe anyone who disagrees with Government is wrong, whether they know the truth about Government, or whether they see these people as a threat.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

Is 2012 The Next Y2K Con-Job Sponsored Via Continuity of Government?

What If You Knew Planet Earth Was In Jeopardy of Collapsing...

I explored this a bit in all of those three threads already.

I can see how there is a giant con-game going on in order to manipulate people throughout the world, in order to influence them to give up cash.

Heres a documentary on this and i hope it hasn't been posted yet

sorry to bump an old thread

reply to post by IMSAM


No need to apologize for bumping an old thread.

I'm still here and lurking in the background.

Unfortunately I found ATS became stale and stagnant.

No one wants to "do" anything positive with their knowledge.

there's been talk in the tinfoil scene lately.. a man and woman research duo (name 'Rosenberg'?) have accused Stubblebine and his wife of being a shopfront for Michael Aquino (Temple of Set) the audio is available from the vinny eastwood radio show archives. (I'm pretty sure this is the same Rosenberg who gave out Anthony Hilders private phone number in a youtube video)

Richard Allen Miller is claiming he pioneered the method used to make a correct decision (we see this scene in the movie when they are trying to decide which fork in the road to take) ..Miller (a mason) openly praises Crowley and admits to co-authoring the jolly-roger cookbook (which is where we all learned to make thermite when we were in primary school)

..something about all these people just doesn't add up