AP Headline from 2004? "Kenyan-born Obama"

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


possibly, although an east african editor with, what seems to be, a spammers knowledge of the english language maintaining a keen interest in american senatorial politics seems.....unlikely.

i dunno, just makes me go "hmmmm".

i don't really give a crap weather the guy is american born or not, i'm just shocked at the control of information being demonstrated here!! it's incredible!



[edit on 16/10/09 by pieman]

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

Yes -- you are right too. The explanation could be that he was actually born in Kenya. But isn't that what we are trying to figure out?

I'm willing to say there is another explanation -- that is that the "Kenyan-born" parts of that AP article were only [perhaps mistakenly] added to the article by the Editor of that Kenyan newspaper to make the story relevant to his/her readers -- that's a very common practice in newspapers.

Unlike you, I'm not ready to decide either way that this article is meaningful, or perhaps just a mistake by the editor of the paper (and not necessarily a mistake by the author of the article).

reply to post by pieman


If he's an editor of an English-language newspaper, I hope he has a very good knowledge of the English language.


Back to my point:
I'm just saying that the article had nothing to do with being born in Kenya -- it was about Jack Ryan dropping out. Therefore, it seems very strange that the headline and the first two word in the article would mention "Kenyan-born". That fact was irrelevant to the rest of the story...

...in fact Obama himself was barely relevant to that story. He was only mentioned twice. The story was primarily about Jack Ryan, and only about Obama in a secondary way.

That's why I think it may have not been in the original AP article and only added by that Kenyan Newspaper.


[edit on 10/16/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


Oh now I'm "not" saying there is only 1 answer here,
just that there currently is NO ANSWER, and a 2004 article on a "nobody really at that time"(on a global level) US politician that you would hold up as kenyan born to draw pride from, wouldnt be held up as a native son if someone didnt "feel" pride in that point, correct?
Sure ...... hold up those Kenyan roots be proud of them, (then)

but deny them now ? (his brother lives in a hut,? in squalor?)
We can find Saddam in a hole in the ground, hahahaha too funny, we can go to the moon, 106 stories of steel girders can snap and fall straight down into a pile, Al Gore invented the internet and global warming,
A nazi can become the Pope,
we were provided proof of a need for trillions of $$$ in bail out money and it was approved in 48 hours........................ But its too difficult, not necessary, stupid to ask for or be provided....... A Long Form Birth Certificate?

Its the proceess, or lack of one thats pissin me off.......
I havent made my mind up because there hasnt been enough focus on providing proof........ beyond a reasonable doubt.

just my 2cents

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


The reason that the article is titled Kenyan born is because it's an African paper talking about one of their native people (supposedly, up for debate of course) involved in something big in politics abroad. Picture if a American born person was involved with something in African politics. One of our papers may start off American born John Doe involved in race for African political seat.

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter

...and a 2004 article on a "nobody really at that time"(on a global level) US politician that you would hold up as kenyan born to draw pride from, wouldnt be held up as a native son if someone didnt "feel" pride in that point, correct?

I think the idea that a person from Kenya would be poised to be a U.S. Senator would be a huge story in Kenya. If that newspaper thought Obama was kenyan, then they would have ran the story under that headline.

Originally posted by Jedimind

The reason that the article is titled Kenyan born is because it's an African paper talking about one of their native people (supposedly, up for debate of course) involved in something big in politics abroad. Picture if a American born person was involved with something in African politics. One of our papers may start off American born John Doe involved in race for African political seat.

Right --

Which is exactly why I fell the words "Kenyan-born" were only added (perhaps mistakenly?] by the Kenyan newspaper.


By the way -- I'm not a Obama-supporter and I'm not an Obama-hater. I'm a moderate Republican (some would call me a Fiscal Conservative/Socially Moderate). I'm not trying to defend Obama personally...

...I'm just trying to point out that not every word in every AP article was put in there by the original author. It is a very common practice for local newspapers to add headlines and text to AP articles to make them more locally relevant.

That's what could have happened here.

[edit on 10/16/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

It would be nice if someone could find mentions of O's school records. What grades he got, what he wrote about in essays. Who his advisors were.
Whether he registered as Kenyan or Indonesian.

Hillary kept saying that he can't be President. We all thought she meant that a black man can't be President, but maybe she knew something. I'll bet the Democrat leadership knows more than they're telling.

reply to post by m khan


Now there is a very real possibility there...A "play ball with us or you are done" sort of thing. Would not be surprised given some of the people at play there.

We can't prove that we have been harmed by him being in office, until he does something, like turns the country over to the UN (front for Rockefeller street gang) in December or until we get taxed into bankrupcy by Cap&Trade & Healthcare, or nuked in Washington sometime this month by his CIA, or given SwineFlu Vaccine and die or get temperatures over 106 like the sailors did, or thrown into Fema camps and gassed to death and/or incinerated in garbage disposal facilities. Until then we are not in much of a position to claim any harm. (except for those navy seamen who were hired out to San Diego's Vical to test their H1N1 vaccines, in which at least two people died.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I agree, Anyone with a brain should be ble to ascertain this is beyond 'exposing' someones birth place for the 'good' of the constitution.
Its incredbly poiltical and complex, there are strings being pulled affecting partisan affiliations right down the line to even ATS members, most of whom can't see they are being manipulated themselves by investing so heavily in this debate.

My contacts, who I trust without hesitation, are telling me this particular story was run elsewhere as an AP article... verbatim, just as seen in the Archive.org stored page. However, the story is nowhere to be found in the AP archive available to the media (which is much more expansive and searchable that what's available to the public). Granted, I'm trying to get confirmation, and until then it's just an unconfirmed rumor... but another datapoint in the complex arc of this compelling conspiracy theory.

My first post on this thread was pertaining to this not being available in AP media archives. I went in through media archives and had no joy.
The journo may have made a mistake on his Kenyan Born status (debatable conceded) however this article is missing from source, which now requires investigating.

reply to post by kilas


That explains it, you think he is great because you live in Europe. You don't know what he has done to us. You have no clue that we are scared to death for our lives over here. You are not surrounded by Fema camps and plastic coffins and ready mass graves. You don't have cops trained to beat up 72 year old great grandmothers and like it or shooting handcuffed people in the back on the subway. pointing lethal vaccine needles at you. You don't have non-profit, tax exempt foundations pushing your schools into socialism. Just keep watching your BBC and forget that freedom is drowning. You think just because we elected a black President means that he must be a saint and not a monster. But don't think our trouble is not your trouble. Those Bilderbergers that control this jerk of a president, after they all move to Colorado, are planning to Nuke you.

Originally posted by m khan
We can't prove that we have been harmed by him being in office, until he does something, like turns the country over to the UN (front for Rockefeller street gang) in December or until we get taxed into bankrupcy by Cap&Trade & Healthcare, or nuked in Washington sometime this month by his CIA, or given SwineFlu Vaccine and die or get temperatures over 106 like the sailors did, or thrown into Fema camps and gassed to death and/or incinerated in garbage disposal facilities. Until then we are not in much of a position to claim any harm. (except for those navy seamen who were hired out to San Diego's Vical to test their H1N1 vaccines, in which at least two people died.

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reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

Right --

Which is exactly why I fell the words "Kenyan-born" were only added (perhaps mistakenly?] by the Kenyan newspaper.

Did you read SkepticOverlord' post?

Here is what he says and if its found to be true would refute your point that you keep making...(bold is mine)

My contacts, who I trust without hesitation, are telling me this particular story was run elsewhere as an AP article... verbatim, just as seen in the Archive.org stored page. However, the story is nowhere to be found in the AP archive available to the media (which is much more expansive and searchable that what's available to the public). Granted, I'm trying to get confirmation, and until then it's just an unconfirmed rumor... but another datapoint in the complex arc of this compelling conspiracy theory.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by ag2000]

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
My contacts, who I trust without hesitation, are telling me this particular story was run elsewhere as an AP article... verbatim, just as seen in the Archive.org stored page. However, the story is nowhere to be found in the AP archive available to the media (which is much more expansive and searchable that what's available to the public). Granted, I'm trying to get confirmation, and until then it's just an unconfirmed rumor... but another datapoint in the complex arc of this compelling conspiracy theory.

It feels like someone it trying to lead people down a rabbit hole. Not you personally chief. It feels too much like a setup. If you want to discredit a certain group intentionally, you would try to set them up for a major fall. I think this information was too conveniently placed. I hope you are able to find supporting documents, so that this case can be either proven or debunked.

"Friend of a friend in media" sounds too fishy. I know you trust that individual whole heartily, but who is to say that he isn't being setup?

If you look back at your "Damn this country. Obama must fail..." thread, you mentioned that you went to Washington. When you told someone about being the owner of "Above Top Secret", they recognized and knew what you were all about. What are the chances of someone trying to take advantage of your company and influence by planting false carrots?

Sure, we can say that -- Since the original story was placed online in 2004, the article must have some type of importance.

What I'm asking you to do is to keep your head on tight. I find it very fishy that this article came up now, and that it has not been seen for five years. During the past few months, the news has been reporting on ACRON. Who is to say that the Democrats are not trying to seek revenge for the fall of their own supporters. Someone must know that a large percentage of 'birthers' come here. Too convenient.

Wow! Now I'm jumping down a rabbit hole. Yahoooo...

[edit on 16-10-2009 by Pathos]

reply to post by whatukno


I think you are right. I would like to see Obama out of office and would like to believe most anything that would get him out of office. I voted for him and gave money to his campaign and I am so sorry. He is not just destroying the country. He is destroying freedom. The people who hate freedom, not the drinking box-cutter weilding Muslim "fanatics" from OKC that who were supposed to hate American freedom but just liked their CIA paychecks. but the people who hate America are winning because of Obama.

reply to post by ag2000


Yes I did -- and I'm awaiting confirmation of that just like SkepticOverlord is.

Like I said, I'm not trying to defend President Obama tooth-and-nail. I didn't even vote for him (I thought he was too inexperienced, having only been 4 years removed from being only a state legislator. Plus, even though I'm socially moderate, I'm also a "Fiscal Conservative" which means I it bothers me that President Obama proposes to spend a lot more tax money).

However, just because I didn't vote for him doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the possibility that the words "Kenyan-born" were only [mistakenly?] added by that Kenyan newspaper.

By the way, I did my own AP search and came across a similar article from June 26, 2004 that has some similar phrases, but is not exactly like the one in the Kenyan newspaper (perhaps the Kenyans edited it heavily, taking out entire paragraphs).

The article I came across doesn't mention "Kenya" at all, and -- like the article in the OP -- is primarily about Jack Ryan, only mentioning Mr. Obama in passing.


[edit on 10/16/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I saw the story yesterday, but didn't realized it had been changed - and without notation? Someone's screwing up.

Different thread, different "birth" story.

Covered here.

Anyone who spends over a million to have their public records sealed has something to hide. What that something is deeply concerns some people.

If someone said you did something or are something that you did not do or are not, you would be smart to defend yourself. Do you know what would have happened if Obama hadn't defended himself with lawyers? That's right, he would have lost the case automatically. I learned that lesson the hard way. Lawyers are a necessary evil in life. If presidents aren't allowed the basic tenants afforded each of us under the Constitution of the United States what rights do we have?

That's funny, I was under the impression the million plus in lawyers fees to seal up all the records was separate from the lawsuit and prior to. You wouldn't be misdirecting things again now would you?

It is undeniable that someone has been able to remove a lot of material from news and web archives as well. That by itself indicates a conspiracy given the coordination and flat "pull" it would take to do so. Even separated completely from the questions of Obama's citizenship this set of events gives evidence of a huge conspiracy worthy of intense investigation. We're watching history being edited right in front of us, this impacts every conspiracy investigation we can imagine. If this can be accomplished for political reasons I can't imagine the larger implications on more wide-reaching subjects.

The "smoke" surrounding this issue is enough to warrant asking questions, IMO. The people who engage in ridicule ("birthers") and work so very hard to try and discourage those questions are co-conspirators, intentional or not. There's a line there between investigating and dismissing certain aspects of the conspiracy and actively working to discourage any investigation, period. You, my friend fall squarely into the "actively discouraging any investigation" category.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by ecoparity]

edit,

not verifiable enough for my liking.

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