the NWO's plan...is actually the only GOOD plan we have...

Problem is that good people generally only make plans for their families and loved ones.

The personality types that organize, have money, and are interested in shaping the future long-term are usually diabolical.

Morality just doesn't lend oneself to acquisition of wealth or the desire to manipulate people.

Hit Reset!
IMHO Kaskade, this isnt the first time this planet has reached this point.
The new world order is actually very old.
It isnt a repair plan for our species, its a reset, thats been, I believe, misunderstood, its a few, prepared for a known global flush.
I believe it doesnt matter if there's 500,000 or 50 people,
they'd bash eachothers heads over berries or coins,
I thought about the possiblities with an altruistic loving mind once, then I survived another 40 years.
HIT RESET
let the rain and wind wash the carcass' and stench away to feed the innocent animals.

Hmmm... must resist the shill......

Ok I can't,

First off we have bigger problems then you think.

1. The earth is not heating up. (oops) NWO plan Scare us into believing climate change is bad! Really its not. Its the earths way of cleansing itself.

2. 6-100 billion people wont matter. Not that I think we could reach that level. You could take 7 billion people and give them enough space to live in a ranch style house and they would not fill any continent on the planet. Not one of them. Or for that matter OZ. Its called math live and learn it.

3. We can grow enough food in America to feed the world 10 times over if we wished. Dont believe me? There is grain and corn sitting OUTSIDE of grain Silo's in Colorado that is going to goto waste! I just drove by 10 of them is Southeast Colorado today.

4. Energy problem? Hmm how about nuclear reactors. How about we dont need Oil to make a POV (private owned vehicle) run. But thats conspiracy talk right? Try again.

If we stopped building weapons today and stopped funding armies we could

Cloth the world
Feed the world
House the world
Explore space...
... both inner and outer...

FOREVER!

Originally posted by kaskade

Originally posted by Zenlike
Someone did come up with a better idea his name is Jacque Fresco and it's called the Venus Project nuff said.

an IDEA...but not a PLAN

there is a key difference!

Action expresses priorities
the fact you say "nuff said"...just goes to show the extent on how much fixing and changing the world means to you.
IF ANYONE here, is upset about what the NWO HAS PLANNED
give an actual REAL PLAN...a REAL GENERAL IDEA.
only a few have actually used there brain and let go of there ego's and gave there thoughts and plan
not tried to be a d**k and prove a point "we can go into space, nuff said"
yes...that constructive and detailed response is REALLY going to get this world out of it's bind

Are you kidding? It is a real plan like I don't even know what to say to you I'm shocked. The Venus Project is the best plan out there by far it solves so many problems with real solutions.

Depopulation isn't the only solution. There are many solutions. Every one life is special. No one has the right to decide who lives and who dies. You should have thought this thread out more...I think you've lost hope.

This makes me think of 'Logan's Run' for some strange reason....

second line

Originally posted by Ekudram
Hmmm... must resist the shill......

Ok I can't,

First off we have bigger problems then you think.

1. The earth is not heating up. (oops) NWO plan Scare us into believing climate change is bad! Really its not. Its the earths way of cleansing itself.

2. 6-100 billion people wont matter. Not that I think we could reach that level. You could take 7 billion people and give them enough space to live in a ranch style house and they would not fill any continent on the planet. Not one of them. Or for that matter OZ. Its called math live and learn it.

3. We can grow enough food in America to feed the world 10 times over if we wished. Dont believe me? There is grain and corn sitting OUTSIDE of grain Silo's in Colorado that is going to goto waste! I just drove by 10 of them is Southeast Colorado today.

4. Energy problem? Hmm how about nuclear reactors. How about we dont need Oil to make a POV (private owned vehicle) run. But thats conspiracy talk right? Try again.

If we stopped building weapons today and stopped funding armies we could

Cloth the world
Feed the world
House the world
Explore space...
... both inner and outer...

FOREVER!

yup =]

Originally posted by Zenlike

Originally posted by kaskade

Originally posted by Zenlike
Someone did come up with a better idea his name is Jacque Fresco and it's called the Venus Project nuff said.

an IDEA...but not a PLAN

there is a key difference!

Action expresses priorities
the fact you say "nuff said"...just goes to show the extent on how much fixing and changing the world means to you.
IF ANYONE here, is upset about what the NWO HAS PLANNED
give an actual REAL PLAN...a REAL GENERAL IDEA.
only a few have actually used there brain and let go of there ego's and gave there thoughts and plan
not tried to be a d**k and prove a point "we can go into space, nuff said"
yes...that constructive and detailed response is REALLY going to get this world out of it's bind

Are you kidding? It is a real plan like I don't even know what to say to you I'm shocked. The Venus Project is the best plan out there by far it solves so many problems with real solutions.

let me re-phrase..a plan with actual ACTIONS being taken and FOLLOW THROUGH.

Originally posted by 3Rotary
Depopulation isn't the only solution. There are many solutions. Every one life is special. No one has the right to decide who lives and who dies. You should have thought this thread out more...I think you've lost hope.

god you people truelly are REALLY REALLY REALLLLYYY STUPID on ats these days its so sad.

never did i say anyones life isn't precious, quite the contrary i actually stated 3 separate times that EVERYONE WHO IS ALIVE is precious, deserve to live, and is more amazing than we can possibly understand

WHAT I SAID IS...
people having sex to just have sex, and create life and not TAKE CARE OF IT...is stupid and a mis-use of the wonders we can create and do.

once again NEVER DID I SAY everyone living deserves to die, i said the NWO is the only LOGICAL PLAN, WITH FOLLOW THROUGH on this planet as we know it.
yes theres plans that all these people come up with...but just plans, and no actions.

seriously 2rotary please re-read ALL of the postings i put, before you post some stupid accusation that i never said, and did the exact opposite.

Originally posted by Lolliek
This makes me think of 'Logan's Run' for some strange reason....

second line

your signature says it all =]

The NWO are CAUSING All of these problems with their attempts to control humanity.

I know, it merely sounds like I am just waiving my hand and not listening to you at all... but that is not the case.


Have you ever watched the movie "The Matrix"?

There is this GREAT line from agent smith when he is interrogating Morpheus:



"Every mammal on this planet instinctivley develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not, you move to an area and you multiply, and you multiply until every natural resource is consumed, the only way you can survive is to spread to another area"


And this, as a general assessment of Western Culture and civilization is correct.

The penultimate metaphor for this culture *IS* a virus, it *IS* cancer.

But to assume that this is a general (or correct) assessment of the human species is fallacious....


And I'll tell you why.



For thousands of years, Tens of thousands of years, there existed civilizations that did not prey upon the natural environment as our current culture does.

They existed in equilibrium with their natural environment, they did not over breed, they did not overuse their resources.

They were intimately aware of the natural symbiosis that they shared with their world, and they heeded, and respected this natural cycle.


Now, I am not saying that only indigenous native populations are Good in this respect, I am saying that humans, in their default state NATURALLY exhibit this type of reciprocal relationship with the resources that they require for survival.

This is the penultimate expression of life: To not exhaust your food supply.


Billions of years of evolution have ingrained this lesson deep within the core genetics of every living creature on earth.


But for those who seek power, by preying on others... equilibrium is not sufficient for the society that they wish to exploit.


In order to gain massive profits from "Consumers" it is first necessary to get them to believe that "Consumption" for its own sake is fulfilling, then they can sell all of the world polluting plastic gizmos that they wish.

It is far more profitable to overuse resources, and not clean up your messes, than to enter into a reciprocal relationship with your environment.

But if you wish to accumulate power and influence, it is of course, NECESSARY to overuse, and exploit natural resources for the purpose of profit.


To prevent the populous from ever rising up, and overpowering the elite, it is necessary to keep them uneducated, and over distracted.

The best way for distraction is through the submersion of instinctual pleasures, that facilitate the underdevelopment of the higher cognitive processes of the human mind.

An uneducated populous looks for entertainment (pleasure) in one of the only ways that it knows.... the pleasure of sex.


Those who desire power will wish to gain this power from any and all means, and this includes perverting the organized teaching of ancient wisdom for their own ends...

Using faith to fuel wars for profit and control.

Using GOD as a figurehead to destabilize a region.


Petty laws, and corruption in politics are absolutely ESSENTIAL if you wish to usurp total control over a populous through the means of FORCE OF ARMS.


Bribing politicians into passing draconian laws of control are vital to the power structure that one would be attempting to construct.

Petty laws, and officials are useful as revenue streams to your power structure, and as complications for those who would seek to understand the monolithic legal structure that facilitates this control.


Every single problem that the NWO is attempting to "address"... is the DIRECT CAUSE of their means of control.


They are either too stupid to understand the direct effect of their control, in which case, they MUST BE STOPPED.

OR

They know full well the effects of their control, and are just flat out LYING to you to elicit sympathy, in which case THEY MUST BE STOPPED.


Do not have sympathy for this particular devil.... he is neither benevolent, nor wise.

-Edrick

Maybe the problem isn't the fact that there's too many of us. I mean what's the root of our dilemma?

How many pregnancies are planned? How many babies are born because of rapes, or because of people sleeping around? How many humans are being born into families that can't provide for them? Our problem is that we live lives of excess, and in so doing we pervert nature. We do things simply because they feel good, but is that moral? Soda pop is almost as bad for us as drinking watered-down battery acid, but people willingly drink it every day, some even exclusively. Millions smoke cigarettes, but you don't see many people swallowing rat poison. Yet they might as well, given the end results are pretty much the same, the latter perhaps faster- acting.
I could go on and on, but the point I'm trying to make is if we would have been collectively more responsible, there wouldn't BE so much overpopulation and pollution now. ITS OUR BEHAVIOR THATS THE PROBLEM!!

We are plagued by consumerism, but it is an encouraged sickness.

However, alot of our problems with pollution and famine are due to elite money pushers and their greed. They control the media, which wants us all to be fat stupid and lazy. Their thirst for profit is why our rainforests have disappeared, why our oceans are being covered in plastic soup, why there is large amounts of radioactive waste dumped in third world countries, why we are told a waste-product of aluminum factories they scrape off the vats is good for our teeth to avoid the large costs of disposal, why our farms are disappearing, why there's always wars... It's all because of CORPORATE GREED. And we allow it! We even envy it!!

WHY SHOULDNT WE BE ANGRY!? HELL WE SHOULD ALL BE OUTRAGED!!!!

We do need a new world, but it should NOT be theirs! If anyone believes in population control, I say they should lead by example: Start with yourself, your family, your friends, then maybe I might consider the idea.
We need to stop being ANIMALS and evolve... on the inside.

The true root of all our problems as a species is MONEY. Assigning value to material that as being such holds no true value... All things material fade. Money is a useless creation that exists only for the benefit of its creators. It is merely a tool for enslavement.

[edit on 6-10-2009 by mostlyspoons]

[edit on 6-10-2009 by mostlyspoons]

Originally posted by Edrick
The NWO are CAUSING All of these problems with their attempts to control humanity.

I know, it merely sounds like I am just waiving my hand and not listening to you at all... but that is not the case.


Have you ever watched the movie "The Matrix"?

There is this GREAT line from agent smith when he is interrogating Morpheus:

"Every mammal on this planet instinctivley develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not, you move to an area and you multiply, and you multiply until every natural resource is consumed, the only way you can survive is to spread to another area"


And this, as a general assessment of Western Culture and civilization is correct.

The penultimate metaphor for this culture *IS* a virus, it *IS* cancer.

But to assume that this is a general (or correct) assessment of the human species is fallacious....


And I'll tell you why.



For thousands of years, Tens of thousands of years, there existed civilizations that did not prey upon the natural environment as our current culture does.

They existed in equilibrium with their natural environment, they did not over breed, they did not overuse their resources.

They were intimately aware of the natural symbiosis that they shared with their world, and they heeded, and respected this natural cycle.


Now, I am not saying that only indigenous native populations are Good in this respect, I am saying that humans, in their default state NATURALLY exhibit this type of reciprocal relationship with the resources that they require for survival.

This is the penultimate expression of life: To not exhaust your food supply.


Billions of years of evolution have ingrained this lesson deep within the core genetics of every living creature on earth.


But for those who seek power, by preying on others... equilibrium is not sufficient for the society that they wish to exploit.


In order to gain massive profits from "Consumers" it is first necessary to get them to believe that "Consumption" for its own sake is fulfilling, then they can sell all of the world polluting plastic gizmos that they wish.

It is far more profitable to overuse resources, and not clean up your messes, than to enter into a reciprocal relationship with your environment.

But if you wish to accumulate power and influence, it is of course, NECESSARY to overuse, and exploit natural resources for the purpose of profit.


To prevent the populous from ever rising up, and overpowering the elite, it is necessary to keep them uneducated, and over distracted.

The best way for distraction is through the submersion of instinctual pleasures, that facilitate the underdevelopment of the higher cognitive processes of the human mind.

An uneducated populous looks for entertainment (pleasure) in one of the only ways that it knows.... the pleasure of sex.


Those who desire power will wish to gain this power from any and all means, and this includes perverting the organized teaching of ancient wisdom for their own ends...

Using faith to fuel wars for profit and control.

Using GOD as a figurehead to destabilize a region.


Petty laws, and corruption in politics are absolutely ESSENTIAL if you wish to usurp total control over a populous through the means of FORCE OF ARMS.


Bribing politicians into passing draconian laws of control are vital to the power structure that one would be attempting to construct.

Petty laws, and officials are useful as revenue streams to your power structure, and as complications for those who would seek to understand the monolithic legal structure that facilitates this control.


Every single problem that the NWO is attempting to "address"... is the DIRECT CAUSE of their means of control.


They are either too stupid to understand the direct effect of their control, in which case, they MUST BE STOPPED.

OR

They know full well the effects of their control, and are just flat out LYING to you to elicit sympathy, in which case THEY MUST BE STOPPED.


Do not have sympathy for this particular devil.... he is neither benevolent, nor wise.

-Edrick

THANK YOU!!
finally someone who has a counter-arguement with some REAL CLAIM lol
true, the NWO really does a number brainwashing and f'ing us over...
i realized the other day...i meditate, i read my books that are about positiveness, do my prayers (im buddhist) and i turn on the tv, go on the computer, read the news...and it LITERALLY feels as if that blissful feeling...all the sudden diminishes with time =/

ya the scene with Morpheus always stuck out in my mind. So true though...sadly

Originally posted by mostlyspoons
Maybe the problem isn't the fact that there's too many of us. I mean what's the root of our dilemma?

How many pregnancies are planned? How many babies are born because of rapes, or because of people sleeping around? How many humans are being born into families that can't provide for them? Our problem is that we live lives of excess, and in so doing we pervert nature. We do things simply because they feel good, but is that moral? Soda pop is almost as bad for us as drinking watered-down battery acid, but people willingly drink it every day, some even exclusively. Millions smoke cigarettes, but you don't see many people swallowing rat poison. Yet they might as well, given the end results are pretty much the same, the latter perhaps faster- acting.
I could go on and on, but the point I'm trying to make is if we would have been collectively more responsible, there wouldn't BE so much overpopulation and pollution now. ITS OUR BEHAVIOR THATS THE PROBLEM!!

We are plagued by consumerism, but it is an encouraged sickness.

However, alot of our problems with pollution and famine are due to elite money pushers and their greed. They control the media, which wants us all to be fat stupid and lazy. Their thirst for profit is why our rainforests have disappeared, why our oceans are being covered in plastic soup, why there is large amounts of radioactive waste dumped in third world countries, why we are told a waste-product of aluminum factories they scrape off the vats is good for our teeth to avoid the large costs of disposal, why our farms are disappearing, why there's always wars... It's all because of CORPORATE GREED. And we allow it! We even envy it!!

WHY SHOULDNT WE BE ANGRY!? HELL WE SHOULD ALL BE OUTRAGED!!!!

We do need a new world, but it should NOT be theirs! If anyone believes in population control, I say they should lead by example: Start with yourself, your family, your friends, then maybe I might consider the idea.
We need to stop being ANIMALS and evolve... on the inside.

The true root of all our problems as a species is MONEY. Assigning value to material that as being such holds no true value... All things material fade. Money is a useless creation that exists only for the benefit of its creators. It is merely a tool for enslavement.

[edit on 6-10-2009 by mostlyspoons]

[edit on 6-10-2009 by mostlyspoons]

thank you =]
very well put...
unlike the others putting 3 words of insult lol