Back to Basics - Bush reading 'Pet Goat'

reply to post by OmegaPoint


Its always easy to look back at an event and create a false picture based on your own misconceptions as to what should have happened. Which is what you are doing here.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Just read (and think) the whole thing through before you make that judgement ok? Thanks.

www.historycommons.org...

Oh and watch all the videos of the twin towers 13 second destruction while you're at it.

reply to post by OmegaPoint


Ive been reading various versions of that for about seven years now. It holds no new or dramatic information. Actually its interesting to see how the stories have changed over the years. My only problem with the actions of the Secret Service that day, is that they returned to Washington D.C. that night. I would have fought to ensure that President Bush spent the night somewhere else.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
reply to post by Lillydale

 

You disagree with the SS actions on that day.

I dont.

Did I miss anything?

CT

Apparently you did. You called into question the idea that the SS should be worried about planes being used as weapons that day. You say you do not agree because it would make no sense to just look up. Apparently what you missed is that planes were being used as weapons that day and I never claimed that was the only possible threat to anyone. You seemed to miss the events of 9/11 as well as the text of the post you replied to.

this thread is good place to start for new researchers...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I dont think that thread got the attention it deservers, ATS got a strange system, this 1 fact thread (pet goat) gets on front page, but the thread with 1000 facts dont

reply to post by Lillydale


You seem to have missed the fact that the objects targetted by the planes were some of the largest buildings in the world. Not single story structures in residential neighbourhoods.

It kinda makes a difference.

CT

posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Lillydale

 

Umm, nope.

"Mr President, we need to resweep the area around the school to make sure there arent any surprises since there is no known direct threat to you at this point."

There were no direct threats against him in the school building. Why is it so hard to understand that the smart thing to do was to NOT go off half cocked, but to take some time and reevaluate the situation.

Ummm nope. That armored limousine outside with extensive communications surrounded by heavily armed SS vehicles was much better protection for a president than a highly flammable wooden school filled with small children.

A high-speed armored moving target would be much safer than an un-fortified building with egress from 360 degrees. Heavily armed military helicopters and fighter jets from nearby could have provided excellent protection for the presidential limousine from the air.

What kind of protection could they have provided a flammable wooden schoolhouse?

But oddly not one military helicopter nor heavily armed marine nor Special Forces soldier nor fighter jet was provided for the school, nor the limousine, nor Air Force One sitting very vulnerable on the tarmac at Sarasota Airport until it finally took off at 9:55 AM.

Imagine that; no military protection at all for the President for 68 minutes.

No military protection at all while the nation was under attack by unknown forces.

What the hell? Why were both the Secret Service and the US Military so incompetent?

Apparently the president was in no danger whatsoever in Florida.

Apparently the Jeb Bush martial law in Florida was very effective;

Or the Secret Service and the presidential staff and the US Military knew for a fact that there was no danger to Dubya whatsoever while in Florida on 9-11-2001.

How could that be?

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reply to post by SPreston


As I have told you before, you willingly make choices to remain ignorant of the facts and as such are never going to accept the truth.

The Secret Service handled themselves professionally that day and did the job they are charged with doing. Your embroidery about armored limos and communications is at best a tangent issue.

Heavily armed military helicopters and fighter jets from nearby could have provided excellent protection for the presidential limousine from the air.

Provided that a nearby base just happened to have armed aircraft on alert status. Normally, military aircraft that are stateside are NOT kept armed. So unless there are already armed aircraft on alert, the MINIMUM time to get them armed and airborne would be an hour and a half....by which time the President was back on board AF1.

Apparently the Jeb Bush martial law in Florida was very effective;

Then this is one of the dumbest statements made by the "truth" movement. Martial law was never declared in Florida. Jeb Bush re-issued expiring executive orders dealing with the day to day operation of the Florida National Guard. Conspiracy theorists just never bother to research this issue...they just see it on Rense or Infowars and decide it must have been martial law.

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posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by SPreston

 

Heavily armed military helicopters and fighter jets from nearby could have provided excellent protection for the presidential limousine from the air.

Provided that a nearby base just happened to have armed aircraft on alert status. Normally, military aircraft that are stateside are NOT kept armed. So unless there are already armed aircraft on alert, the MINIMUM time to get them armed and airborne would be an hour and a half....by which time the President was back on board AF1.

That is BS and you know it Swampy. The Secret Service always plans ahead for military protection no matter where the president travels. When he travels to Camp David from the White House, he has a heavily armed helicopter squadron escort with armed marines aboard. When he travels to certain foreign nations, they provide fighter protection for Air Force One with the permission of the Secret Service, and I am certain those fighters are properly armed.

As you likely know full well, even though you pretend you do not, the presidential limousine as well as Marine One is transported to where ever Air Force One takes the president, to be used as the president needs.

So where was Marine One on 9-11 and its escort? Why was it left behind apparently only on 9-11-2001? Why didn't Marine One snatch Dubya from the Booker Elementary School within minutes and transport him to safety? Instead of 68 long minutes before an Air Force One takeoff, Marine One could have had him taking off in Air Force One or squarely in the center of a secure US Military base within 15 to 20 minutes.



So why was the safety of Dubya so unimportant on the morning of 9-11-2001?

Obviously the Secret Service and the US Military knew full well that there was absolutely no danger to the president on 9-11.

As a matter of security and long standing protocol, when the President travels by helicopter, which statement is most correct?

The presidential helicopter flies accompanied by an exact duplicate helicopter.. As a security measure, the Presidential helicopter, "Marine One" always travels in pairs: One helicopter carries the president, while the second helicopter servers as a back-up and decoy.


The presidential helicopter is always present while the presidential jet plane is on the ground.

t. The President's helicopter, "Marine One" is always transported (as are the president's limousines) wherever the president travels, within the U.S. as well as overseas. Whenever the President"s Jet, "Air Force One" lands, "Marine One" can be found parked nearby even if the president is using a motorcade for travel.


How many helicopters are there in the presidential fleet?

19. A total of 19 helicopters operated by HMX-1 "Nighthawks" squadron comprise the "Marine One" fleet. More than 800 Marines supervise the operation of the "Marine One" Fleet, which is based in Quantico, Virginia. As a security measure for "Marine One", every member of HMX-1 is required to receive a security clearance before touching any of the helicopters used for presidential travel.

Source

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Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
reply to post by Lillydale

 

You seem to have missed the fact that the objects targetted by the planes were some of the largest buildings in the world. Not single story structures in residential neighbourhoods.

It kinda makes a difference.

CT

At the point that the SECOND plane had struck, all they knew was that planes were being flown into buildings. Can you please explain to me when exactly they decided that only big buildings were in danger? When did they know that the next two targets were to be the Pentagon and an empty field? Were they psychic or did they have advanced knowledge? How did they know that the president and the school he was in were not targets?

How is it that you can assume they had a full assessment of the threat when only 2 of 4 hijacked planes had been crashed?

reply to post by SPreston

That is BS and you know it Swampy. The Secret Service always plans ahead for military protection no matter where the president travels.

Well I will throw the BS right back at you. On Obama's recent visit to where I live, ALL of our F-16s were de-armed and in the hangers. NONE of our local Guard units were on alert and since there isnt an active duty presence where we are, there wasnt ANY form of military protection available, save our normal security force on the base. And even they only assisted the Secret Service.

When he travels to Camp David from the White House, he has a heavily armed helicopter squadron escort with armed marines aboard. When he travels to certain foreign nations, they provide fighter protection for Air Force One with the permission of the Secret Service, and I am certain those fighters are properly armed

And again, no, when he travels to Camp David there isnt a special squad of armed Marines escorting him. Its Marine One, and its decoy. I will admit, I looked at your source...it was entertaining for its inaccuracies. Then, fighter protection for AF1, last time I checked, Florida was not a foreign nation.

As you likely know full well, even though you pretend you do not, the presidential limousine as well as Marine One is transported to where ever Air Force One takes the president, to be used as the president needs.

Um, no, Marine One does NOT always accompany the President on his trips. It all depends on the agenda of the trip. On his last trip here, President Bush was in town for a political function, since he was going to remain local, no helicopters were brought, only the ground vehicles.


But please, continue to believe your delusions.

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Well the Secretary of defense could have pulled up a real time chart of all flights in the air, and the 3 remaining (well 2) I doubt they had time to stop the second hit in NY.

See which planes had thier transponders turned off, and thier last know location.

Obviously D.C. would have been priority, They could have had all available jets flown toward DC to intercept these threats, maybe a few toward NY, just incase.

But no none of that happened, actually out jets flew in the wrong direction expection an attack from sea, by the Soviets

Either way it all equals LIHOP.

Which equals False Flag Attack.

Which equals a handful of the most powerful ment in the government failed to do thier jobs on purpose, with all sorts of prior knowledge as well.

C'mon, We new months ahead that this was going down, from all sorts of data, and reports.