TheDailyPlanet reveals Limewire.com's copyright conundrum

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
Limewire.com also promotes abhorrent "rape porn" and other forms of illegal pornography amongst a significant proportion of their search results, if the user simply types "porn" or "sex". Hence if they were searching for porn, they would instead be offered all kinds of illegal films, and so far nothing has been done to stop limewire from failing to stop this.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by TheDailyPlanet]

Limewire does not promote any kind of porn whatsoever. Perhaps you should learn a little more about the technology you want to blame so badly. Do you blame google for rape porn, kiddy porn, bestiality? If you look for those things on Google, you will find them. Maybe your problem is YOU looking for pornography using a file sharing program. Limewire does not promote pornography of any kind any more than your front door, car, or legs do.

I actually feel bad for you artists in this condition. Let me say though it isn't nearly as bad as the MSM reports it to be. I myself bought way more music when I was downloading stuff illegally (back in the day) than I do now. If I heard a band I liked on there I would go out and get that CD. To put it in perspective. I have about 75 CD's. About 5 years ago I stopped going to the illegal sites to DL music. In the past four years my collection has grown a whopping 10 CD's maybe.

reply to post by TheDailyPlanet

I am myself a musician, my small music business sold over 1,000 CDs that I had produced (of myself playing the Piano) - all over the country, mail order. Now it is much harder for musicians to break into the market, due to the widespread "free for all". Why doesn't the law or Government act, when the evidence is right there in front of them? Will they act? In respect of my music organisation, I intend to act, and I imagine other music organisations will be looking to take action soon also.

How many copies of your cd were being traded on limewire? Zero? Gotcha.

1. Limewire has been around for over ten years, so you're a tad tardy with your complaints.

2. Due to being compressed, MP3 files sound like total crap and are worthless. If you like the music, you will buy the CD or vinyl.

3. 99.99% of the music being produced today sucks, as it is geared for the brain dead. Obviosuly, it's a lot easier to bitch about a P2P network like Limewire than produce quality music.

And finally, with all the injustices in the world, you are worried about some crappy sounding MP3s being downloaded by a bunch of kids who do not have the money to buy the music in the first place?

I'm sure the servers got enough space as a one-off to repost my opening post if I may for re-iteration and for my thoughts at this time (21st March 2010)

Limewire.com is promoted, mainly through 'word of mouth', as a place where users can download files "hosted" on other's computers, and by far the most popular use for limewire.com is for downloading music files. Users do not have to pay to download, and nothing is paid to the artist for the download. Here are the findings:- When you go to limewire.com to download their software, during the initial setup process, the following is shown to you on a window in the screen :- File Associations and Startup X..........Associate .magnet and .torrent files with LimeWire ............Launch LimeWire at system startup Content Filters ............Don't let me download or upload files copyright owners request not to be shared. The window is shown defaulted to the above, ie with a tick in the "Associate .magnet" box, but NO tick for "Don't let me download or upload files copyright owners request not to be shared". So in other words, if the copyright owners don't want their music pirated, they only have the opportunity to have a say if you tick the box - I can assure you that the vast majority will not tick the box. So limewire offers the default of "Bugger the copyright holders, leave unchecked to download anything". Here is the information from limewire.com about their policies on this in more detail:- The LimeWire filtering feature is designed to help ensure that all sharing is purposeful and not inadvertent, and that all sharing respects the law, the users of the P2P network and the wishes and rights of copyright owners. When filtering is enabled, before LimeWire downloads a file to your computer, LimeWire compares the digital signature of the particular file with a list of files that copyright holders have requested be filtered. If a copyright owner has requested that a file not be shared, LimeWire prohibits your downloading of that file. When you install the LimeWire software you will be prompted to select your filtering options. I see, so if I don't tick the box then the protection to copyright holders is dropped, as the filtering system is switched off. So surely that is breaking the law. I am myself a musician, my small music business sold over 1,000 CDs that I had produced (of myself playing the Piano) - all over the country, mail order. Now it is much harder for musicians to break into the market, due to the widespread "free for all". Why doesn't the law or Government act, when the evidence is right there in front of them? Will they act? In respect of my music organisation, I intend to act, and I imagine other music organisations will be looking to take action soon also.


OK, GORDON BROWN, BARACK OBAMA AND CO. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH DELETING OR DISCONNECTING THE ILLEGAL WEBSITE, LIMEWIRE.COM YOU SEARCH FOR "SEX" AND THEY PRESENT YOU WITH A LIST OF VIDEOS INCLUDING "RAPE" AND "SEX WITH 13-YEAR GIRL" ETC. THEY CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO FILTER IT OUT, AND THEY MAKE $10'S OF MILLIONS PER MONTH FROM "LIMEWIRE PRO" USERS ETC. THEY ASK AN OBFUSCATED "DO YOU WISH TO BREAK COPYRIGHT YES OR NO?" EVERYONE PRESSES THE "YES" AND YOU STILL ALLOW THEM TO STAY IN BUSINESS. HAS BILL GATES FOUND THAT ELUSIVE CODE THAT ENABLES WEBSITES TO BE DISCONNECTED OR DELETED. OR ARE THE CODES SO COMPLICATED, THAT THEY STILL HAVEN'T FOUND OUT WHAT THEY ARE YET?

[edit on 20-3-2010 by TheDailyPlanet]

I believe Limewire.com in it's existing form, should be shut down immediately.

The organisation is already plagued with viruses, and can expect to be flattened with lawsuits pertaining to their breakage of copyright laws and failure to be able to filter out "pervert" porn.

The limewire.com are now known to be plagued with viruses, and the reason they break the law in respect of copyright is that they ask the user whether they wish to afford the copyright holders' protection switched on or off.

Record sales are apparently now picking up, including Vinyl.

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet


OK, GORDON BROWN, BARACK OBAMA AND CO. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH DELETING OR DISCONNECTING THE ILLEGAL WEBSITE, LIMEWIRE.COM YOU SEARCH FOR "SEX" AND THEY PRESENT YOU WITH A LIST OF VIDEOS INCLUDING "RAPE" AND "SEX WITH 13-YEAR GIRL" ETC. THEY CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO FILTER IT OUT, AND THEY MAKE $10'S OF MILLIONS PER MONTH FROM "LIMEWIRE PRO" USERS ETC. THEY ASK AN OBFUSCATED "DO YOU WISH TO BREAK COPYRIGHT YES OR NO?" EVERYONE PRESSES THE "YES" AND YOU STILL ALLOW THEM TO STAY IN BUSINESS. HAS BILL GATES FOUND THAT ELUSIVE CODE THAT ENABLES WEBSITES TO BE DISCONNECTED OR DELETED. OR ARE THE CODES SO COMPLICATED, THAT THEY STILL HAVEN'T FOUND OUT WHAT THEY ARE YET?

[edit on 20-3-2010 by TheDailyPlanet]

Why repeat yourself here? Obviously you are not interested in the reality that other posters are showing you. What you are saying makes no sense. Do you want the government to shut down the internet because all of those things can be found with any search engine. Limewire does not offer more access than anything else does to the very specific things you are talking about. I can find all that stuff with google, utorrent, etc. The only way to get rid of those things is to stop the internet.

Why are you ignoring what people are showing you in this thread? Your anger is laid at the wrong place. Do you want the government to seal your door? Break your legs? How about blind you? You do not need limewire or even the internet to find these things so why on Earth are you attacking limewire over it?

Why are you ignoring all the good posts in this thread by other people explaining what is wrong with your stance?

Why are you repeating the OP on page three of your thread?

[edit on 2-5-2010 by K J Gunderson]

The devil's advocacy in some people's arguments leaves me very disappointed indeed.

What I am trying to do, is to persuade nation's governments to stop going after people who access the sites so much, and SHUT DOWN THE ILLEGAL WEBSITES THEMSELVES.

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
The devil's advocacy in some people's arguments leaves me very disappointed indeed.

The lack of information and understanding that went into making this thread is pretty disappointing as well.

What I am trying to do, is to persuade nation's governments to stop going after people who access the sites so much, and SHUT DOWN THE ILLEGAL WEBSITES THEMSELVES.

And that is obsurd to say the least. Why is it you avoid common sense questions? You do not seem honest about your real goal here because you are completely ignoring all of the people pointing out the HUGE flaws in your thinking here.

Tell you what, if you can answer my questions, I will be your biggest supporter in this fight.

If you continue to ignore good points and valid questions put forth by people, we are going to continue to be suspicious of your real plans and goals here.

Do we need to go over it again?

Limewired does not give you any more access to the illegal things you are talking about than Bing, Google, Yahoo, or anything else that allows you to freely search the internet. It would seem that you do not actually understand how Limewire works or what it does so if you could address the issues people keep tossing at you and clear this up, that would be great.

It kind of seems like you just have one particular agenda and no basis in reality behind it but maybe you have just not shared with us all of the details?

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
The devil's advocacy in some people's arguments leaves me very disappointed indeed.

What I am trying to do, is to persuade nation's governments to stop going after people who access the sites so much, and SHUT DOWN THE ILLEGAL WEBSITES THEMSELVES.

You seem to have an agenda of internet filtering/censorship...People wtih agendas on here are very dangerous, IMO...

Implementation of internet filtering/censorship will slow my internet connection down...

Ergo, I don't care how many people get killed in snuff movies, or hurt in rape movies, how much kiddie porn, or how much "illegally" copied/downloaded music/other media there is out there if getting rid of same interferes with my internet experience even slightly...

I simply don't care...

Now please, take your agenda elsewhere...Posting your crap here is not going to make law enforcement any more likely to pursue your claims....So take it up with them directly

[edit on 3/5/2010 by Retrovertigo]

Your devil's advocacy argument that to shut down an illegal website is a form of censorship is a corrupt one.

Limewire.com breaks the law.

It does this by doing nothing to stop illegal material, eg. pornography that breaks moral and criminal law.

It also breaks the law by allowing users to pirate music.

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
It does this by doing nothing to stop illegal material, eg. pornography that breaks moral and criminal law.

There's no such thing as "moral" law...Morals are relative...sheesh *smacks myself in the head with a hammer a few times*

And I have an idea....How bout you keep your morals exactly that way ?

Yours....And yours only....

And quit trying to impose them on other people...

What is both encouraging and hilarious at the same time is how spectacular a failure your attempts to further your agenda have been on ATS, and also with the authorities by the sounds of your posts....

Lets face it, they're not going to take a lot of notice of someone as hysterical and uninformed as you, are they now ?

I'd give up before the men in white coats come for you, if I were you

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
Your devil's advocacy argument that to shut down an illegal website is a form of censorship is a corrupt one.

The website is perfectly legal.

Limewire.com breaks the law.

No more than google does or the hundreds of other P2P services and search engines but...here you are. Can you explain why you are not advocating the shut down of them all?

It does this by doing nothing to stop illegal material, eg. pornography that breaks moral and criminal law.

That is a silly argument. Besides the fact that there is no such thing as "moral law," it is not breaking the law simply by not proactively going out and stopping crime any more than knife makers who do not go out and prevent stabbings.

It also breaks the law by allowing users to pirate music.

Your hard drive, your burner, your speakers, your internet service are all guilty of the exact same thing!

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
Limewire.com breaks the law.

Incorrecto, TDP.

Limewire provides a means of service to their users.

What those users do with said service would seem mOar the focus of the oft asserted fanaticism expressed throughout this and other threads ... Repeatedly.

Opinions, no matter how outlandish they may seem to individual members, are quite revered here on the boards, but those who persistetly demonstrate an "I'm right. Your Wrong, and Nothing you can say will alter my stance or point" type approach typically don't last long or bode well ... especially those apparently seeking to grandstand or use the boards as a means to launch their stated "efforts" or "agendas" from.

Site Administrator, I know you to be totally wrong, but only in my opinion.

Must say though, I am not out to offend, only to state my beliefs.

The means of piracy is allowed by means of obfuscation upon installation.

The number of people who advocate, in my opinion, the continuation of a renigade internet, alarms me.

It is almost as though many people want the piracy to continue, and obviously just in some cases - want the perverted pornography to continue - and in those select cases - clearly not yours - use their own obfuscation techniques to further that agenda, by means of pushing the line that censorship cannot be allowed.

But I do object to having to be told (by those that do) that the real life murder recordings - I have seen them, the real life rape recordings - I have seen them, the live paedophilia recordings etc. etc. should remain, because to remove them, would be censorship.

[edit on 3-5-2010 by TheDailyPlanet]

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
Limewire.com breaks the law.

It does this by doing nothing to stop illegal material, eg. pornography that breaks moral and criminal law.

It also breaks the law by allowing users to pirate music.

Limewire is not responsible for the users. The users are the ones who break the laws.

If you hold Limewire accountable, then also responsible are companies who make blank CDs, computer companies who provide CDrom drives, software companies that create programs which come with ripping capabilities. Heck, even the record industry themselves for distributing the music on the CDs.

It's like saying car companies should be held liable for people speeding because the car can be driven 120 mph.

Users are responsible.

Quango, you are talking absolute non-sense.

Limewire sits there making in excess of $10mil a month, and you say they should be allowed to continue to promote piracy and continue to promote illegal pornography etc?

So that's now legal and I shouldn't campaign for it to be removed?

Just having reached a million hits a week, with great sadness I gotta ask IS abovetopsecret.com corrupt?

[edit on 3-5-2010 by TheDailyPlanet]

It also breaks the law by allowing users to pirate music.

Your hard drive, your burner, your speakers, your internet service are all guilty of the exact same thing!

K J. i love reading your replys to posts on ATS . You have a great way of telling it like it is and you make me laugh. This guy is starting to go the way of savvy with the anti grav thread. Soon i expect he will be saying that limewire is guilty of making mass and weight the same thing or someting to the effect and should be shut fdown for that too. LOL

To the OP. You have failed. Face it. You want limewire only shut down and you have not acknowledged what others on here are trying to say to you. You want to repeat your original post for what reason i dont know. People are going to read the opening post before they read anyone elses replys so thats just pointless. You DEFINETLY have an agenda. I think maybe it stems from the fact you looked at something on limewire you didnt like and i am 100% sure it was because you went looking for it. The bottom line is you HAD to click on it to download it and wait for it to be downloaded. Then open the file that clearly had a name to it and watch it.

I think you have issues but it has nothing to do with limewire itself. Otherwise you would be promoting the stopping of ALL programs that do what limewire does. For the 1 millionth time OP, Limewire is not the the only program that functions in this way. It is not the only PROGRAM ( i say this in caps to illustrate it isnt a website to be shut down but a program to be downloaded) to allow people to download copywrited material as well as porn of any kind including illegal porn. Personally i think if you dont like limewrie then remove it from your computer. Funny thing is i havent seen you state that even once here anywhere, that you uninstalled it from your computer. I would think that a better solutuion would be to lobby congress to make a law that would make it mandatory for all P2P programs created to force the non downloading of copywrited material as a function of their program and not destroying said program or websites as you call them.
If the program simply did not have the ability to allow you to share copywrited material then the issue is resolved period. How this could be done i dont know because i am no technical guru.
The funny thing is, that every time you ever watch a VCR movie or DVD there is that FBI warning. Have you ever made a copy of your favorite video EVER in your life and maybe i dunno, shared it with a friend or family member so they could watch it and nnot have to buy the movie or couldnt affor it? Yeah sure ya have. We ALL have. I know its not like your selling them and making money off them so whats the harm right. Well thats exactly what P2P's do. The difference is it isnt on a disk its computer to computer and just as someone pointed out, compressed mp3's really loose something when played that the original cd definetly makes up for. Personally i love having the ability to download music really fast and get my favorite songs from limewire. I also love having the CD's and the artwork. I collect them like i used to collect records back in the day. Yeah i had friends who had said album i liked and made a cassete recording of it so i could listen to it. But as soon as i had the money to go buy my OWN copy i did because i had to have it myself as well. No difference now.

The music industry sucks and they are a bunch of crooks. Thats my opinion and in no way based in fact. Artists who cry about this crap like metallica loose fans everyday for it. I stopped listening to them when that happened. Besides the fact that they just went stupid with their music starting with the album LOAD. I call them mesoftica cause they are anything but metal anymore. Thats another topic.

As far as the downloading your doing goes, let me say one thing. I know that when you type in something like XXX and do a search you will get back search results that say rape or incest or 13yr old girl or a hundred other indecent or illegal titles. You have to click on the name to download it. If you object then DONT click on it. IF the fact that limewire is a client that allows other people to share ANYTHING on their computer with other people then thats a problem that has do with individual responsibility and not limewire as the client. Would you blame a grocery store for being the client that sold pesticides for killing bugs and someone decided to share those pesticides with a coworker in his coffee and kill him?
Your logic is stupid.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by fizzy1
K J. i love reading your replys to posts on ATS . You have a great way of telling it like it is and you make me laugh. This guy is starting to go the way of savvy with the anti grav thread. Soon i expect he will be saying that limewire is guilty of making mass and weight the same thing or someting to the effect and should be shut fdown for that too. LOL

Thanks. You know it is really funny you say what you did beceause after I last posted, I thought this kind really reminded me of him for some reason. Not that I think they are the same but it just felt alike. Not sure if I feel better or worse that I am not the only one.

Thanks again for the nice words.