A million march to US Capitol to protest against 'Obama the socialist'

reply to post by jfj123


Call upon your state representatives to enact changes.

My parents always taught me to save 10% of my pay from the day I began working. Seems like it was good advice.

I know people have lost jobs, but sometimes it is necessary to relocate. It seems people in places like Michigan and Ohio are sitting around waiting for jobs that are never coming back.

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


Just one question if Great Britain's National Health Service is so great how come people are buying personal health insurance? Could it be they are rationing care you think.In case you were not aware private healthcare is is available in the UK and people spend there money to buy plans from them wow strange huh. So now not only are they being taxed for national healthcare but they buy private insurance as well.

reply to post by dragonridr


No let me point out something.. We have THE CHOICE you dont..

we GET TAXED because we do not think ANYONE should go without basic health care.. and YES if we so wish we can GET private as well

wake up its the year 2009...

do you think because you blow your own trumpet is means your correct?

your supper power status is ONLY military.. your morals on the other hand... well..

that is for another topic on its own

so yes you can bash MY system.. but then again you speak english correct?

or did you for get that minor point?

color
colour

spot the difference? WE DO

[edit on 14-9-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by symmetricAvenger

 

Just one question if Great Britain's National Health Service is so great how come people are buying personal health insurance? Could it be they are rationing care you think.In case you were not aware private healthcare is is available in the UK and people spend there money to buy plans from them wow strange huh. So now not only are they being taxed for national healthcare but they buy private insurance as well.

More fool them.

The mainly buy it so they can have a nice private room with satellite TV without being too near the plebs, get their varicose veins done on demand, and have a choice between Beef Wellington and Toad in the Hole with a glass of Chianti.

I'm sure most in the UK know the system. Many companies offer BUPA plans as work benefits. In fact, I've benefited from it all those years ago. Just speedier treatment in a nicer environment with yummier food and sleeping pills on demand. It's still pretty restrictive in what they offer, the NHS is more thorough. The treatment I had in the 1990s caused the company plan to increase in cost, lol. How very dare someone use their services.

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


Do you have some kinda military envy or something? What does the size of the US military have to do with health care?Back to health care if the system works so well in the UK why do people spend there hard earned money buying medical plans when they all ready pay taxes for health care. Do they just like to waist money or do you think maybe they realize that the British health care system is inadequate and decided to protect there family by spending there money.

Me personally i already pay for my plan and quite frankly don't see why i should pay additional taxes or continue to run up a debt for other peoples health care.There is such a thing as personal responsibility If i can make sure my family is provided for so can others. And next question if health care is a right well so is clothes and food and housing is the government going to provide that for us too?

As far as speaking English yes i do though again your point is silly i also speak German and Spanish and even some Korean so i guess this is significant how?

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by tac109

 

Hypocrisy plays a large part. and no offense but most of the people voted for GWB twice and do not like the fact your POTUS is black

Really, and I assume you can prove this? Or am I right in thinking your assuming? I never heard one person say "I hate this black president" and what would you call all the black and hispanic protesters that were there? Is it possible that some of the people really just dont like what Obama is doing? Why is it that everybody who does not like obama is somehow a racist?

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


SO If what your saying is true, then you would also say that everybody who did not vote for GWB is a racist too right? All the blacks, and hispanics who did not vote for him hate white people. Or can only white people be racist.

reply to post by dragonridr

Do you have some kinda military envy or something? What does the size of the US military have to do with health care?Back to health care if the system works so well in the UK why do people spend there hard earned money buying medical plans when they all ready pay taxes for health care. Do they just like to waist money or do you think maybe they realize that the British health care system is inadequate and decided to protect there family by spending there money.

No i point out how silly it is to sped trillions blowing up people when you could pay for basic health care?

and the fact we PAY twice is an OPTION.. most people DO NOT REQUIRE private insurance but if that is your choice "que skipping" then that is your choice..

But 90% of the average person gets ALL the treatment via the public option..

No forms to fill in NO tests ALL my medical records are on computer I never need to PAY for ANY medical service i require

the ONLY thing i do is GIVE MY NAME ...

and about speaking English.. the understanding of your "preception" of how one spells is funny

You see

American ENGLISH .. what is AMERICAN English??

its a bastard version OF English

Oh wow the english are so stuck up and drink tea!!

yeah the same people who took over the place that our country can fit inside of texas

not bad for a tiny arse little island who in fact took over 20 odd countries and was only the 3rd biggest empire on the planet next to roam and gengus khan

i would say we are pretty damm smart : )

and health care is not about MONEY for us little brits., its about giving EVERYONE a fair crack of the WHIP

Heath care is not a privilege its RIGHT

if you want to say WELL fk you im happy long as i have mine... it just shows your the kinda person that would pass a man on the street who is need of help

ever here of a good Samaritan? well guess what

i do that every day and i dont even blink an eye lid because im not a self cenytered egotistical cowboy

you forget your nation is the baby on the block, and so what you have the bigget and best military

half the people who made it ARE NOT EVEN AMERICAN

verna von brown

was he amercian? project paperclip? the french? who helped beat the birtish?

why do you think half of canada speak french??? LOL and why is there head of state our queen?

and why is it we have the commenwealth? and not the british empire??

i suggest be for you go on your little storm you read history books

because the only reason the BRITISH EMPIRE IS NO MORE is because YOUR country sat on its rear end and WANTED US to give it UP in exchange for YOUR help against the GERMANS

but then again you for get that little snag do you not?

reply to post by tac109


Erm no? i did not say that but if you wish to imply it then that is your problem not mine

Im talking about the hypocrisy of it not the label you wish to attached to it ..


white. black. Hispanic.

what set them apart? history? show me what makes a black person black.. show me what makes a white person white, show me what makes a latino hispanic?

do you know what connects all the labels?

BEING STUPID

and let me add..

No white RACE no BLACK race NO latino RACE no CHINISE RACE no RUSSIAN race

it gets pathetic does it not?

tell me my friend what is the difference ? really? other than the label?

NOTHING

you bleed red blood just like me. you WAS borne just like ME you will DIE just like me

ITS THE HUMAN RACE..

the IQ and logic of some people on this planet is AMAZING and you wonder why aliens will never land here

totally PATHETIC is what your race is...

[edit on 14-9-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

reply to post by tac109


Yes i can prove it.. one .. your country has JUST only elected a black president ..

2nd most of them are screaming about HEALTH CARE .. did this many people scream about NO wmds? did you see fox news talking about that?

do you see any TERROR ALERTS on FOX? since bush left office?

get a clue

reply to post by dragonridr


Why do they care in the first place? They aren't even American and don't pay taxes here. I guess their countries are perfect, since they always seem to tell us how bad ours is.

reply to post by stevegmu


Judging by your comments (and avatar) You must be part of the well off crowd. You shouldn't speak for people under real hardship, specially those working hard but can't afford the outrageous prices for healthcare.
The fact is people like you can't fathom paying through taxes, for the health of your fellow countrymen, but don't mind paying for blowing up innocent civilians in the middle east.

God have mercy

Originally posted by stevegmu
reply to post by jfj123

 

Call upon your state representatives to enact changes.

My parents always taught me to save 10% of my pay from the day I began working. Seems like it was good advice.

I know people have lost jobs, but sometimes it is necessary to relocate. It seems people in places like Michigan and Ohio are sitting around waiting for jobs that are never coming back.

Some people realy cant afford to save 10%,it is great advice granted- but not achievable for many these days.

Originally posted by stevegmu
reply to post by jfj123

 

Call upon your state representatives to enact changes.

We're calling upon the federal government to enact changes so it doesn't just help my state but all my fellow country members. I'm not just worried about myself, my neighbors, my township, my county or my state; I'm worried about all those in my country that cannot afford to pay the absurdly high fee's for health insurance.
People need to learn to care about their fellow Americans and not just about themselves.

My parents always taught me to save 10% of my pay from the day I began working. Seems like it was good advice.

Again, consider yourself lucky. There are millions of Americans right now, without jobs who can't save 10% of NOTHING. Unemployment is at record levels throughout the country so for those MILLIONS, putting away 10% is an IMPOSSIBILITY. And frankly 10% of most peoples pay wouldn't cover health insurance anyway.

I know people have lost jobs, but sometimes it is necessary to relocate.

The entire country is in a recession so relocating is not realistic for most people. Yes for some people, they can walk away from their houses, family, etc.. to get a job out of state or out of the country but most cannot.

It seems people in places like Michigan and Ohio are sitting around waiting for jobs that are never coming back.

Actually I live in Michigan and those people are not just "sitting", they're working hard to find other jobs. Many are actually leaving the state. As for jobs that are never coming back....well they already are coming back to the state.

Instead of berating others who have it much tougher then you, why not sit down and say, "ya know what, I'm a pretty lucky person that the recession has not affected me too much", and leave it at that.

Originally posted by TheOracle
reply to post by stevegmu

 

Judging by your comments (and avatar) You must be part of the well off crowd. You shouldn't speak for people under real hardship, specially those working hard but can't afford the outrageous prices for healthcare.
The fact is people like you can't fathom paying through taxes, for the health of your fellow countrymen, but don't mind paying for blowing up innocent civilians in the middle east.

God have mercy

STARRED your comment !

Unfortunately people like him have a "what's mine is mine" attitude and they do not care for their fellow Americans. He most likely considers those without health insurance, lazy and ignorant.

Me personally, I'm doing pretty well. I own my own business that, to this point, hasn't been affected by the country wide recession enabling me to continue paying the OUTRAGEOUS monthly health insurance fee's that Blue Cross demands.

I have many friends without health insurance and I would GLADLY pay a bit more in taxes so they could have insurance.

What he needs to understand is:
We ALL have the RIGHT to
LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS....not just the well off and rich.

[edit on 15-9-2009 by jfj123]

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by VAPatriot

 

and you wish to go protest about HEALTH CARE? fine

Now GO and protest about the FED go an protest about the fact the USA spends MORE than ALL the nations ON THIS PLANET ON ITS MILITARY THAN ALL THE OTHER NATIONS ON EARTH PUT TO GETHER

then come back to me and go and PROTEST and argue over 250k 1.5 million

DOES IT MATTER? i mean really? cmon?

Right on man , I mean how stupid can you be if your protesting against free health care oh wait is that because free health care is socialist ! , when really you should be protesting against all of the other ill's your government does !

Let me put this out there for those of you who dont know Bill Blum

"Humankind shall never fly
All those angry people. Yelling at the president and members of Congress about how the proposed government health plan, and Obama himself, are "socialist". (See the poster of Obama as the Joker character from Batman with "Socialism" in large letters, as the only word.8) These good folks wanna get their health care through good ol' capitalism; better no health care at all than godless-atheist commie health care; better to see your child die than have her saved by a Marxist-Stalinist-collective doctor who works for the government. But these screaming, heckling Americans — like most of their countrymen — might be rather surprised to discover that they don't really believe what they think they believe. I wrote an essay several years ago, which is still perfectly applicable today, entitled "The United States invades, bombs, and kills for it, but do Americans really believe in free enterprise?"

A common refrain, explicit or implicit, amongst the recent health-care hecklers is that the government can't do anything better or cheaper than private corporations. Studies, however, have clearly indicated otherwise. In 2003, US federal agencies examined 17,595 federal jobs and found civil servants to be superior to contractors 89 percent of the time. The following year, a study to determine whether 12,573 federal jobs could be done more efficiently by private contractors found in-house workers winning 91 percent of the time, according to an Office of Management and Budget report. And in 2005, a study of tens of thousands of government positions concluded that federal workers had won the job competitions more than 80 percent of the time. All these studies, it should be kept in mind, took place under the administration of George W. Bush, who, upon taking office in 2001, declared it his top management priority that federal workers should compete with contractors for as many as 850,000 government jobs. 9 Thus, any pressure to influence the outcome of these studies would have been in the opposite direction — putting the outside contractors in the best light."

Originally posted by stevegmu
Why do they care in the first place? They aren't even American and don't pay taxes here. I guess their countries are perfect, since they always seem to tell us how bad ours is.

I'm quite sure parts of your healthcare are fantastic. And, conversely, parts of the NHS need work. No perfection. Lets not forget that it was demagogues in the US that decided to attempt to denigrate our system (e.g., 'Stephen Hawking would be dead if he relied on the NHS', roflcopter). There would be an uproar if any politician tried to take down the NHS - even ballsy Thatcher didn't dare.

As I stated, I find the US quite compelling in a car-crash TV kinda way.

The fact that a minority of people can act against their own well-being in the service of ideology is interesting. Indeed, watching a minority create a lot of hot-air because they lost an election is, again, interesting. 77% of your population want a public option, and a similar number of quacks concur. In fact, some form of universal healthcare was a major part of Obama's platform - he was elected running on it.

All your healthcare is interlinked. No matter what your ideology. People who don't have health insurance still need emergency care and, as you noted, some form of basic healthcare. The less people covered, the more you actually pay as individuals. You have a system where if you move jobs, you can often be buggered if you have a pre-existing condition (and some can therefore be stuck in job if they want treatment or be hosed big-time - freedoms, yay!); where 60% of bankruptcies are healthcare related, and there's supposedly something like 14,000 people losing insurance every day. And you spend more on healthcare for such a system than almost all the developed world - for poorer life expectancy, more dead newborns, but you might do well if you have cancer in the ass or something.

For wanting to fix that, Obama is labelled a communist. Crazy. Some of these are the same people that could call for freedoms and less guberment encroachment and also raise the spectre of Schiavo in the same breath. And people wonder why US companies are outsourcing, lol.

[edit on 15-9-2009 by melatonin]

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by VAPatriot
Quite simply, If you were not in attendance you have no clue as to the size of the crowd.

Plenty of people that were actually there, are claiming in the thousands and not millions.

Opinions are like @#$holes, we all have one.

An announcement was made, the Capitol police said we did not have a permit of the Mall and must move. The people’s response, "It's our Mall" .

Unless it's a public building and not a private business, it is actually not "your" mall.

Has been answered repeatedly.

For my self this is an issue of we have allowed the power to shift from the people to Big Gov. Many are waking up to this fact.

It's about the Constitution!

Were you also out the protesting when Bush and Cheney were violating the Constitution? Just curious???

As a matter of fact I was. I would be considered an Independent if I must have a label. Only due to the fact nobody understands what a Jeffersonian is.

I don't pay much attention to the media. I pay more attention to history. If you want to see the future or even the present, look at the past.

The movie "Idiocracy" is extremely telling of our world.


"Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage."

Attributed to Benjamin Disraeli. Unverified.

I just logged in and am seeing all the comments directed to me. I love the members here to death but am seriously spinning by some of the things written to me.

Originally posted by IAF101
So you believe in supporting protests that advocate the wasteful dumping of millions of dollars worth of tea to reinforce the idea of fiscal conservatism?

Thats IRONIC!

Nothing to do with the current protest movement.

Then I'm asked what is the difference between actual universal health care and forced insurance? Do I really need to be answering this?

Originally posted by IAF101
Fox news is good because it is just as biased as the "liberal media" and its bias is what makes it good because it "balances" out the bias on the other side ?

I've already explained my thoughts on the issue HERE. The conservative MSM is always going to be biased to the right. The liberal MSM is always going to be biased to the left. The best thing to do is to watch both and come to a conclusion where you will end up somewhere in the middle where the truth is. Also utilize alternative and independent sources.

I did not say Fox is good because it's biased. You said that, not me. What I said is that we need them all to create a balance. If a viewer sits there soaking in MSNBC and only MSNBC, they will get a very skewed sense of reality. If a viewer sits there soaking in Fox and only Fox, they will get a very skewed sense of reality. I'm sure you understand the concept of needing various sources to obtain a balance?

I'm a fan of alternative news sources but I'm sure you realize most do depend on the MSM? Therefore, they need to watch a mix instead of just one if they plan on making the MSM their main sources.

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
Depends on how one looks at it correct? war? the FED the very reason for money as a tool? seems kinda hypercritical to me.

What exactly are you getting at? I already said I'm against the war and have said numerous times the FED needs to be audited and abolished. I think you're preaching to the choir?

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
you agree indeed but the system in the usa is based on greed ? you already have universal insurance? because that is how the system works?

Again, I'm totally lost. Yes, our system is based on greed. Pharmaceutical and insurance companies are a massive problem over here to the point of being scandalous. And no, we do not have universal insurance here. That is the big debate currently over here. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
and this is the kicker really is it not? the perception that the money they print is YOURS

do you print the money? nope.. so tell me WHAT part of this MONEY is in fact yours?

Where did the discussion about the FED printing money come from in this conversation? I feel like I'm at the Mad Hatter's tea party now. I am totally against the FED printing out money. I'm sorry but you are so out in left field just bringing things into the conversation regarding things that are completely irrelevant and assuming my opinion on many things.

this part did indeed make me laugh.. smaller government?

please tell me what your understanding of government IS?

Now you're actually defending big government and laughing at the concept of small government? Do you support nanny states? Do you realize our constitution was created to ensure as small of a government as possible? I think this discussion is coming to a close.

or is it the fact you are to lazy to get off your own be hind and do anything ?

Yes, this conversation is over now. Are you serious? You guys are the ones making fun of every effort by the people to stand up to a corrupt government and you tell us we're too lazy to get off our behinds?

Toodles. Now exiting the twilight zone.