Republican Party of Florida says Obama will "indoctrinate" schoolchildren with "socialist ideolog

Republican Party of Florida says Obama will "indoctrinate" schoolchildren with "socialist ideology"

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President Barack Obama plans to speak to the nation's schoolchildren on Sept. 8. According to the U.S. Department of Education, the speech will be about "the importance of persisting and succeeding in school," and the department is offering classroom materials to "engage students and stimulate discussion on the importance of education in their lives."

You might think that would be a harmless topic, and that people across the political spectrum could agree on the importance of education.

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When President Bush addressed the nation's schoolchildren on the subject of succeeding in school, nobody batted an eye. We Americans didn't accuse him of indoctrinating our children with his ideology of tax cuts and deregulation of all constraints on corporate excess and greed or on the need to "keep America safe." We just thought he would talk about education.

But when President Obama wants to address our nation's children on the subject of education he is suddenly accused of nefarious intentions to subvert our children to the dreaded doctrines of socialism and taxing and spending.

Here Politifact.com assigns this accusation a "Pants on Fire" rating.

It also rates the claim that no president has ever before addressed schoolchildren on the subject of education as "false."



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I think a lot of the people who are against this are against it because Fox News is telling them to be against it, HOWEVER, I am against this for a different reason.

It's not this particular speech, but this entire publicity campaign. It seems like we're supposed to pledge allegience to Obama now, not our country. If the goal was to serve our country, and to make America great again, to help eachother out like we did back in the 40's, I'd be 100% on this bandwagon. Unfortuneately, this isn't about the country, it's about Obama; that's my problem. I think that's a lot of peoples problem.

the speech will be about "the importance of persisting and succeeding in school," and the department is offering classroom materials to "engage students and stimulate discussion on the importance of education in their lives."

Yea, and isn't this what the teachers are supposed to be doing? Teaching the "importance of persisting and succeeding in school" and "Offering classroom materials to "engage students and stimulate discussion on the importance of education in their lives"?

You know the last time I checked that is why kids went to school so they could learn all this stuff, but I'm rating this article and the "fact checkers" "pants on fire". Our public school system is nothing more than indoctrination.

The proof of my last statement is how dumb people are in this country, and where we rank internationally in education.

Seriously? Pants on fire? How on Earth will anyone ever live down those kinds of accusations?

Like both sides aren't past masters at BSery. Bleh.

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
It seems like we're supposed to pledge allegience to Obama now, not our country.

FYI, FOX News is telling you to believe that, too.

If the goal was to serve our country, and to make America great again, to help eachother out like we did back in the 40's, I'd be 100% on this bandwagon.

It's about the country. Read the Speech Here.

I think it's sad for the partisan politics to keep our kids from getting to hear the President speak to them. The opposers again make themselves look like fools over nothing. It's so bad Laura Bush has to step up and say "Enough!" herself. It's destroying the Republican party.

It amazes me that there are people who claim to love their country, but in the same sentence stab the leader of the country in the back. What ever happened to the "I support my president, no matter my party" mentality? It seems that during the Bush administration, many people (democrats) supported him even though they may not have completely agreed with him. Why did they support him? Because he was the elected leader of the United States.

This morning I was watching the news (I know, scary thought) and they were interviewing people in a town in the Carolinas where they pressured a school principal into not showing the speech to the students. When interviewing some of the parents on their reasoning's why, the responses were "Cause I don't want my child exposed to his communist agenda", and "Because he is a socialist dictator."

I find it very hard to believe there are people in this country that honestly believe this hype. America's bipartisanship is destroying us from within, and we need to come back together before it is too late.

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nah, stuff like this is

FOX has tried to connect that video to the White House and to Obama giving this speech to kids today. That's clear. That video came out in January and all of a sudden it popped back up again when it was announced that Obama was going to speak to the kids.

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Are you kidding?

FOX News Urges Parents Not to Let Obama Indoctrinate Their Kids (Video at link)

Another video:

Yeah, I just heard about that video on here, watched it on the internet with no input from fox whatsoever, the fact that it came out in Jan doesn't make it any better from where I stand. Notice how I said this whole movement bothers me. It's cult-like.

I couldn't care less who it is making this stuff happen though, I disliked GWB just as much.

While I don't see anything coming from Obama address to children that we already know, I find hilarious the so call "indoctrination of socialist agendas".

Because let face it people, we are nothing but slaves to the current system that is suppose to be call "capitalism" but with a big difference "capitalism" in America belong to the ruling class, the rest of us are nothing than slaves to the tax system to keep the wealth of the ruling class intact.

People have short time memories, let me remind those that talks about socialism that the ones that brought the so call trickle down economy to screw the tax payer to benefit the wealthy in the nation was actually a Republican, remember Reganomics, since then we the working class in the nation has gone nothing but hardships, unemployment and gouged to pay for the mistakes of those with the wealth.

What do you call that? Wake up people, Obama address to the children is nothing but that an address.

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I think people are ignorant if they believe the president gave the speech as it was originally intended.

After notifying the public of the upcoming speech and receiving a negative backlash, the Whitehouse speech writers obviously went back to the drawing board to produce something more appealing for the masses.

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Can you give me some more specifics on the "I Pledge" video? Who, exactly, put it out? I am guessing a group of liberals who probably support most of Obama's programs.

This kind of following among young people, much like the ones on this video, was clearly evident in the 2008 campaign, when so many volunteered their time and effort to getting Obama elected.

What so many antagonists do is blame Obama personally for everything every follower ever does or says. Nobody did this to Republican presidents.

My overall reaction to the vid was I was impressed by the energy and desire for public service. It's time people were inspired in this way. I do not see it as some vicious, hideous, fascist propaganda to encourage people to "do unto others as ye would have them do unto you."

Originally posted by Sestias
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Can you give me some more specifics on the "I Pledge" video? Who, exactly, put it out? I am guessing a group of liberals who probably support most of Obama's programs.

This kind of following among young people, much like the ones on this video, was clearly evident in the 2008 campaign, when so many volunteered their time and effort to getting Obama elected.

What so many antagonists do is blame Obama personally for everything every follower ever does or says. Nobody did this to Republican presidents.

My overall reaction to the vid was I was impressed by the energy and desire for public service. It's time people were inspired in this way. I do not see it as some vicious, hideous, fascist propaganda to encourage people to "do unto others as ye would have them do unto you."

Well, ok let me articulate myself a bit better.
I don't mean to accuse him personally of this, I mean, I want to like the guy I really really do. I'm as sure as you are that someone is doing this, I just think he's being used. This doesn't make him any different than any other recent president, what's bothering me so much is that they are telling us to serve our president, not our country. The wording used there is very important, like how the war on terror is now the "war on al-qaeda", big difference.

It's a problem with semantics, but I've read too much Orwel not to pay attention to words.

When it comes to Rep's, don't get me started. The system is completely broken on both sides of the isle and has been for a long time. I didn't like Bush, I really didn't, but for much of his presidency I was too young to care, even though I knew what was going on, kinda.

I agree that the exuberance shown by all these people is great, and I also agree with the geneal goal of making Americans stand up for eachother again and working to make our country what it once was. My problem lies with the methods which the people who are trying to make this happen are using.


I hope that clears things up a little bit.

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Yes, you made yourself much clearer, thank you.

I think the "war on Al Quaeda" is much more specific and true than the "war on terror," since we haven't gone everywhere in the world where there is terror, nor could we if we wanted to. But that said, I get your point.

IMO the video meant to rally support around the president, but it would probably be better to stress service to country rather than service to one's leader.


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Yay for getting along while still having somewhat different points of view through cool heads and understanding, I think we could use more of that these days.

Too bad too many people make too much money off bad mojo for that to happen =/

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We're lucky our government and school system doesn't seem to know much,
and they are to big and bureaucratic to take much swift action. I think everyone should have a mind and brain of their own. Instead of being numbed by tv, mind control drugs, alcohol, schools, organized religion,
What we see on tv is a bunch of nothing only to make the rich richer including the politicians.