PLASMA ORB turns into FAKE PLANE UFO! by Pittsburgh, PA

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


Lyne needs to study CRITTERS

At least you didn't say Tesla saucers this time

Might I suggest a very simple experiment that anyone with a camera (video or digital still) that has manual focus can perform which will be of a great benefit to everyone at AboveTopSecret.com.

All I ask is that you start by 'manually' focusing to it's sharpest on to a plane or two (some flying from side to side, some flying directly towards and away from you). Now start recording (or take a photo) of those nice sharp little lit dots in the sky. Now slowly start manually turning your focusing ring so it slowly makes your sharp little lit dots to go out of focus (if a digital camera, take snapshot in intervals). After awhile simply start to 'manually' refocus back to the sharp little lights of the plane. A very simple project/experiment.

Whatever you end up with you can post here at AboveTopSecret.com and actually be doing some "real" evidence gathering to determine if what was videotaped by this person can be duplicated or not.

Be a part of the solution in ufology.. Not part of the problem.. Help us Deny Ignorance..

Johnny
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Originally posted by Total Package

Well that's the sort of cop out I would expect from a debunker like Sagan.

You obviously don't know Sagan very well. He's one of the best friends UFOlogy ever had in legitimate science. Does the name SETI mean anything to you? The Drake equation?

If you consider him a debunker, maybe it's time to lower the bar on what you consider bunk.

Originally posted by The Parallelogram

Originally posted by Total Package

Well that's the sort of cop out I would expect from a debunker like Sagan.

You obviously don't know Sagan very well. He's one of the best friends UFOlogy ever had in legitimate science. Does the name SETI mean anything to you? The Drake equation?

If you consider him a debunker, maybe it's time to lower the bar on what you consider bunk.

Best friends of UFOlogy? hahaha yeah sure. Sagan was a debunker.

As for SETI meaning anything to me...... yes it means alot. It stands for "Silly Effort To Investigate".

SETI and those tossers like Seth Shostak are half the problem. They sit there pointing radio telescopes into space trying to find a needle in a haystack and then use that as "evidence" that there is no proof of life on other planets. It's the equivalent of me trying to tune an AM radio station with an FM receiver and saying "Sorry can't find it... station doesn't exist"

SETI are more concerned with debunking any UFO sighting as non ET to keep their jobs. Lets face it... how much would they lack credibility... and how stupid do they look with their massive antennas looking deep into space for ET's when they are being spotted all over Earth. They can't even find them in their own backyard.

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I think you may be a bit confused. Sagen was indeed a friend to UFOlogy and not only believed in Aliens existing elsewhere, but while he was at NASA he created a message for them.. (AND I QUOTE);

He conceived the idea of adding an unalterable and universal message on spacecraft destined to leave the solar system that could potentially be understood by any extraterrestrial intelligence that might find it. Sagan assembled the first physical message that was sent into space: a gold-anodized plaque, attached to the space probe Pioneer 10, launched in 1972.

Sagan had interest in UFO reports from at least 1964 when he had several conversations on the subject with Jacques Vallee. Though quite skeptical of any extraordinary answer to the UFO question, Sagan thought scientists should study the phenomenon, at least because there was widespread public interest in UFO reports.

Sagan was a proponent of the search for extraterrestrial life. He urged the scientific community to listen with radio telescopes for signals from intelligent extraterrestrial life-forms. So persuasive was he that by 1982 he was able to get a petition advocating SETI published in the journal Science and signed by 70 scientists including seven Nobel Prize winners.

More information is available Here in Wikipedia: Carl Sagen)

In regards to debunking.. If any of us in ufology want to be taken seriously then we have to be skeptical and slowly peel away the veil layers of hoaxers and those that would like to discredit us. One of the ways we can truly do this is to ask questions, verify data, see if phenomena can be recreated and not just blindly 'believe' in an event/phenomena simply because it looks real or is cool or because we believe it is real. We have to be able to bring 'proof' to the table in the form of credible data and witnesses. Because unfortunately, a YouTube video will just not convince a jury when it comes to "it", (a video) being the evidence alone.

We need to remember AboveTopSecret.coms 'core' motto which is "Deny Ignorance"

Johnny
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[edit on 9/7/2009 by JohnnyAnonymous]

This does feel alot like the other incident of the gentlemen filming planes, clearly planes, and claiming that they were disguised craft. I ended up feeling sorry for him, as he seemed to truly believe in what he was saying. Watching this video, gives me the same feeling ;(

Originally posted by Total Package
SETI and those tossers like Seth Shostak are half the problem. They sit there pointing radio telescopes into space trying to find a needle in a haystack and then use that as "evidence" that there is no proof of life on other planets. It's the equivalent of me trying to tune an AM radio station with an FM receiver and saying "Sorry can't find it... station doesn't exist"

Shostak fully believes in life on other worlds. At no point has he ever stated otherwise. You are confusing a disbelief of extraterrestrials visiting the Earth with a disbelief in extraterrestrials. They are not one-in-the-same. Shostak is the chair for the International Academy of Astronautics SETI Permanent Study Group as well as the host of a weekly radio program, Are We Alone, that how life developed on the Earth and how it may apply to life elsewhere in the galaxy. Strange behavior for a man who you think doesn't believe in aliens, wouldn't you say?

Your comments demonstrate you have no knowledge of SETI beyond a parroting of an idiotic attitude held by idiotic UFOlogists. I say idiotic because SETI, if it proves successful, it will only serve to add further weight to their beliefs. However, these hypocrites hold SETI in disdain for something they themselves have failed to achieve.

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Firstly I am a firm believer in UFO's and have had a few experiences of my own. That being said, this lady and her video are completely useless and lend zero credibility to the UFO phenomenon.

1. Her constant discussion with herself makes her seem very, very unstable. She sounds crazy to be perfectly blunt about it.

2. If people don't know it by now it's probably a waste of time to point it out but hand held video cameras and shots with no reference objects, constant, erratic movements - especially at key points in the video such as when these "transformations" are supposed to be taking place not only destroy any useful evidence there might be in the sequence but worse, it seems as if the witness is actually trying to "enhance" the evidence.

It's impossible to even track if the fuzzy light morphs into the "fake plane" because by that point in the video she had moved the camera constantly and lost the object in frame. I could have sworn she moved her attention from the original fuzzy light to another one for the big transformation event, for example.

The current state of UFO captures on video is still just as pathetic as it always has been. If you're seeing these things on a nightly basis you have plenty of time to set up a stationary camera or even invite a couple of people to come out and bring their cameras. Single witness, hand-held videos caught "on the fly" are the UFO investigation equivalent to searching for needles in haystacks. There are enough of these things flying around and enough "believers" with cameras out there - there's no excuse for not having a network of sky cameras set up and filming for night after night with secondary cameras, night vision and even video enabled telescopes all tied into motion capture software.

If you capture a UFO on video in the manner I've prescribed and one or two or several other people following the same program also capture the same object - that would be some compelling evidence, especially if you manage to get speed estimates and maneuvers from the event. A nice, tripod mounted camera with reference objects in frame absolutely kills the shaky, hand-held style and I think we've gone far beyond those type of videos doing anything other than keeping the doubts going.

If there are still real UFO events in that ladies area then perhaps some real, equipped and able investigators need to get out there. Unfortunately this lady is her own worst enemy on this video.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Total Package
SETI and those tossers like Seth Shostak are half the problem. They sit there pointing radio telescopes into space trying to find a needle in a haystack and then use that as "evidence" that there is no proof of life on other planets. It's the equivalent of me trying to tune an AM radio station with an FM receiver and saying "Sorry can't find it... station doesn't exist"

Shostak fully believes in life on other worlds. At no point has he ever stated otherwise. You are confusing a disbelief of extraterrestrials visiting the Earth with a disbelief in extraterrestrials. They are not one-in-the-same. Shostak is the chair for the International Academy of Astronautics SETI Permanent Study Group as well as the host of a weekly radio program, Are We Alone, that how life developed on the Earth and how it may apply to life elsewhere in the galaxy. Strange behavior for a man who you think doesn't believe in aliens, wouldn't you say?

Your comments demonstrate you have no knowledge of SETI beyond a parroting of an idiotic attitude held by idiotic UFOlogists. I say idiotic because SETI, if it proves successful, it will only serve to add further weight to their beliefs. However, these hypocrites hold SETI in disdain for something they themselves have failed to achieve.

Nope you are quite right I have heard Shostak say several times that he believes there is life out there in the universe.... what he refuses to believe is that they have visited us.... and his main reason for that is that SETI has found nothing. It's all about Ego.

If Seth had bothered researching UFOs he could not possibly come to the conclusion that they haven't been visiting us. Shostak is always the man that's rolled out on the "debunker/skeptic" side whenever there is a debate on Larry King for a very good reason.

Sorry but SETI is a complete and utter waste of time. It is to finding ET's what Project Bluebook was to explaining UFOs and what James Randi's Million Dollar Challenge is to Psychics. Nothing but a tool that can be used to debunk disguised as "investigations".


Even Stan Friedman thinks SETI is a waste of time www.v-j-enterprises.com...

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reply to post by JohnnyAnonymous


Having seen what Sagan has said in the field of PSI I am without any sort of doubt he is a debunker. He is a debunker in that field and he is a cleverly hidden debunker in the UFO field as well.

In fact I even found just then that Stan Friedman who was a classmate of Carl Sagan at University of Chicago says he is a debunker. www.v-j-enterprises.com...

This is what happens when people don't take their meds. On the close-ups it's obvious what it is and for those who want it to be more than that then good luck. This is what hurts the Ufology study. People have clear proof in front of them and refuse to use common scense. As for what flys past it at 7:40, yes it is a little strange. But as for the OPs title and the youtube video and posts there, I think everyone needs to stop looking past the actual proof and stop adding their own "Spielberg-esq" vision of what it is we're looking at. No plasma orb transforming into a plane. It's a plane, that simple.

Just weighing in in support of the videographer.

I realize to those who haven't had a related experience this may seem insane. That's fine.

I just wanted to say that I am having my own experiences, and after repeated experiences I can say with confidence that there is something happening with domestic aircraft that defies explanation.

These lights / crafts / beings are indeed taking on the appearance and, at times, mimicking the sound of domestic aircraft and are flying low to the ground during all hours of the day or night.

What baffles me is why radar isn't picking up these new craft. Perhaps it is, and the air traffic controllers are being told these are some sort of Homeland Security, or military aircraft.

In any event, for those who haven't had experiences, I sympathize with your position.

I would like to say, however, for the record that there is something definitely new and weird with what appear for all intents and purposes to be domestic aircraft BUT WHICH ARE NOT.

Originally posted by Total Package
Sorry but SETI is a complete and utter waste of time....nothing but a tool that can be used to debunk disguised as "investigations".

An incredible amount of special pleading on your part. That is an awful amount of money and time and energy being used just to debunk UFOs.

Originally posted by Total Package
Even Stan Friedman thinks SETI is a waste of time www.v-j-enterprises.com...

Not Stanton Friedman, say it ain't so!

When it comes to SETI, Stanton Friedman would be one of those aforementioned idiots. In his challenge to SETI, he engages in the exact same behavior he accuses SETI of. And for such a smart man, he demonstrates a profound ignorance of the philosophy behind SETI and how it operates. (much like you; not surprising, as you are doing little thinking of you own, instead just parroting Friedman)

Originally posted by Total Package

Originally posted by The Parallelogram

Originally posted by Total Package

Well that's the sort of cop out I would expect from a debunker like Sagan.

You obviously don't know Sagan very well. He's one of the best friends UFOlogy ever had in legitimate science. Does the name SETI mean anything to you? The Drake equation?

If you consider him a debunker, maybe it's time to lower the bar on what you consider bunk.

Best friends of UFOlogy? hahaha yeah sure. Sagan was a debunker.

As for SETI meaning anything to me...... yes it means alot. It stands for "Silly Effort To Investigate".

SETI and those tossers like Seth Shostak are half the problem. They sit there pointing radio telescopes into space trying to find a needle in a haystack and then use that as "evidence" that there is no proof of life on other planets. It's the equivalent of me trying to tune an AM radio station with an FM receiver and saying "Sorry can't find it... station doesn't exist"

SETI are more concerned with debunking any UFO sighting as non ET to keep their jobs. Lets face it... how much would they lack credibility... and how stupid do they look with their massive antennas looking deep into space for ET's when they are being spotted all over Earth.

They can't even find them in their own backyard.

Sagan was an UFO friend only at a distance. He never embraced UFO's hovering over Earth nor, human contact with them. He in so many unspoken words called Betty and Barney Hill nuts. So.....whether he was genuine or a paid debunker, we'll never know.
As far this PA sighting......
it just amazes me that so many people can have so many different opinions. I for one think there's something there and should not be discounted but I think until a giant UFO lands in the middle of SuperBowl, we will always be divided on opinions.

Peace~

Originally posted by TwoPhish
So.....whether he was genuine or a paid debunker, we'll never know.

Because there can never be genuine disagreement. If you do not believe UFOs are alien crafts, then you must be a paid government disinformant.

There is so much here all of a sudden.
I do not consider ETs for anything and only Tesla for the UFO.
However the government agent beholders of ETs would be the course.

Stanton and Lyne face off:
Date / Time: 9/5/2008 12:00 PM
The UFO Town Meeting!

This show will deal with the UFO enigma and what the truth is. I will have on my show guests such as Dennis Balthaser, Stanton Friedman, and others pro and con that will show how the UFO Enigma has effected us in the world today!


See bottom of page, if still there, for the audio download.


The invisible Tesla UFO being CRITTERS might be my theory.
Dark violet light emitting Tesla craft show up in photos from time to time.
Nothing new.
Perhaps in a long hover perplex William Reich with a dark cloud that
he aimed a Orgone buster that shorted out a saucer sending it to the
ground as all ran over the camera was dropped on the ground.

Sure looks like CRITTERS are man made electrical devices with
Earth to air ac currents from football, dual cone, coils.

A plane with landing lights... obviously. This lady should move to Dundee.

How about Mufon skipping out on the UFO hot spot.
Talk about government agents or agents of the Illuminati ET propaganda.
All for hiding the Tesla science.
We will surly miss out with Mufon stuck on there opinions.
ED: Plasma no, illuminated air yes.


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Originally posted by Resinveins
A plane with landing lights... obviously. This lady should move to Dundee.

And this plane happens to hover in the sky for some what lets say 5-10 minutes, and it goes by the name of harrier jet plane?

Originally posted by krystalice
And this plane happens to hover in the sky for some what lets say 5-10 minutes, and it goes by the name of harrier jet plane?

It was never hovering. It was moving the entire time. Watch it in relation to the trees.

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