Homosexuality in the New testament

The next verses were used for centuries to
condemn homosexuality.

These are original translations, not wrong translated and
misinterpretation.

Man loosing their female virtue means,
their caring nature, it is not about homosexuality.

God is love.

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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1 Thessalonians 5,21-22


And they exchanged God's truth for lies, and they worshipped nature more than its Creator,* and [for Whom belong] glory and blessings to [the end of] the universe, of all the universes, amen.
26. Because of that God abandoned them to venereal diseases. For their women exchanged their natural virtue for that which is unworthy of their nature.
27. And likewise their males abandoned the female's natural virtues and exhibited their depraved lusts one for the other, and males acted shamefully against males, and they received wages worthy of oblivion in their beings.
28. And as they did not judge themselves [worthy] of acknowledging God, God abandoned them to experience depravity, to do that which is not Lawful.
Romans 1:21-28

Or did you not know that [workers] of abomination will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be at a loss. Neither adulterers, nor idol makers, nor fornicators, nor perverts, nor child molesters,* 
10. And neither [workers] of abomination, nor thieves, nor drunkards, nor cursers, nor robbers, these shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10

As it is known that the Law was not consecrated for righteousness, except for abominations and desolation, for the licentious, the sinners and the accursed and those who are impure and those who beat their fathers and those who beat their mothers, and the killers,
10. And the fornicators and the molesters of male children and the abductors of the free and the liars and the oath breakers, and for everything that is in opposition to the wholesome knowledge,
1 Tim 1:9-10

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In the bible context:
One extra note, even drunkards can go to heaven, there is written kingdom, and the kingdom is what comes after the paradise, paradise is made as in between, the millenium and allows further release of past. (the saints will be their teachers is written for a reason)



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Umm, I thought you said the Gospels??? While all of those are from the New Testament, not one is from one of the four Gospels, you know, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John... Get back to me when you find a passage from one of them... And bonus points if it is actually a quote from Jesus himself!

ill change it into new testament,
i use the 'gospel' for the 'new message', for me it's a general name,
but you are right about,
i didn't think about it.

I'm hopefull it doesn't stop you to see it's truth though ?

Jesus did not talk about homosexuality, he talked about love,
he said, the father does not judge, love your neighbour,
be more righteouss then those that study the scriptures
and abuse them to judge...



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Just keeping you honest. While the passages you quoted do deal with the subject, it does not show that Jesus espoused these ideals, just those who came after him. Societal bias needs to be factored into the views of their authors.

you are right about that...
but we as humans can not proove jesus existed,
nor that the statue of liberty exsists except by observation,
which is no proof, or is it ?

that's honesty. and that's why we can not judge,
because as humans we do not have moral grounds to do.
Humans belief, but do not know.
they can only choose between their hearts and their
turned around logic which is based on observation.
Until they start to understand logic.
Logic = seeing what is not true, it works better then observing

and honesty and logic proof god

jesus talked love, we alllll know that.
if he said 'the father does not judge,
judgement is given to the son, and the son
honors, does everything the father does,
do not think i will accuse you,
but your accuser is moses (the law
you choose, curse or blessing)

Anyway, maybe i'll add later.


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sometimes im talking in absolutes to make a point,
it doesnt mean we can't be rational anymore,
but truth comes by going to the absolutes
in honesty.

honesty is the command, well, lets be honest,
how do we judge ? by observing mostly.
and observation is the basic of most peoples beliefs.
Is it wrong ? no, we need to judge before we release it.
that's love. difference between tolerance and accepting.

judging = seeing it = repenting
understanding = forgiving, seeing it to be good, honesty, releasing judgement


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You are correct that Jesus' teachings were about love and the condemnation of judging others. This is why I feel that his life and teachings are a good model for everyone, not just those who believe in his divinity. So many so called 'Christians' miss that point, and do a great disservice to Christianity as a whole. They use their 'religion' to justify hate, prejudice, and suppression of others, all things that Jesus dispised. They have become the modern day 'Phareses' and we all know how Jesus felt about them! I've seen a bumper sticker that covers these types of 'Christians': Jesus is coming, and he's PISSED!

if god is the truth, and an atheist searches truth,
or a muslim or a buddhist, or a christian or someone from mars,

then why do our religions worry ? they search the truth,
it's their god they claim to be truth, so they are searching god,
by their own scriptures the others become believers,
even when relgions attack them.

Confirming the son, is confirming yourself, it is testing
your own spirits and all spirits if they come from truth,
if god is one, then the son will become one,
and before that there is only growth, the son
gets confirmed because truth is something you
automaticly share, and this sharing is care.

believers are searchers, and before we are one with god,
we are allowed to make mistakes and not
see the full picture yet.

jesus said 'lost sheep' in different meanings.

god is ours, he is not owned by dividers.

btw, i don't think religious persons carry all ignorance,
a lot of them, maybe most, care and are stuck in scriptures
they do not understand, they have the biggest hearts,
i don't see any wrong in them, but the ignorant ones who teach hate
and confirm self without the others,
they are the pharisees of modern time and they
will allow it to happen again.
lets say i talk for me.


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Jesus only blessed a marriage between a male and female. It alone is of God.

A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave (or cling) to his wife and the two shall become one flesh....what God has joined let no man come between.

So in His blessing of a heterosexual marriage Jesus then rebukes all others. Jesus had no reason to speak of a homosexual marriage or union because it's not of God.

the curse side of the torah is
symbolism that explains this world and god.

the blessing side is god is one, love god.

Jesus understood this symbolism and used it,
in the knowledge that it wouldn't be in
the open for the times to come,
in the knowledge of giving others the freedom
to search the truth, to share our cross.

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ADAM = MAN = SPIRIT = WE as ONE
EVA = WOMAN = CREATED/creation = I

spirit and created, we and i, will become one,
what god joins let no man....

the son is the result of this.
the son grows up to be glorified.

a man with a man, are spirits that do not love what is created,
and do not join, but stay in rejection. ignorance.
It is WE without the I

a woman with a woman is I without the WE

you exist in 2 forms, as man and woman,
if you join them together, you will grow the son,
the son finally will grow up and become father,
(process repeats)

Jesus blessed everything that speaks from his name of ONE.


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Idolatry is not seeing god behind the symbols
not seeing truth behind the symbols
what is more important, your interpretation of law or god ?

Drunkards are those that are drunk of their own life,
when life asks you to see all.

Sodomy and abuse of childboys is abusing the child
of truth you are growing in your self, raping it's truths,
and stealing from it's oneness with god

controlling your wifes means controling the I in you, the created,
to be brought back in the spirit's truth

etc

Symbolism is easy, if you want to see it's truths.

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
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You are correct that Jesus' teachings were about love and the condemnation of judging others. This is why I feel that his life and teachings are a good model for everyone, not just those who believe in his divinity. So many so called 'Christians' miss that point, and do a great disservice to Christianity as a whole. They use their 'religion' to justify hate, prejudice, and suppression of others, all things that Jesus dispised. They have become the modern day 'Phareses' and we all know how Jesus felt about them! I've seen a bumper sticker that covers these types of 'Christians': Jesus is coming, and he's PISSED!

Actually, Jesus says this is ok. It is called believing for the very works sake. This is another thing Christianity doesn't seem to get, so I'm not saying go join a church or anything, but that following that example is plenty.

As such, it's really the minimum for anyone. Notice how it defines those who believe and what they will do?

John 14

11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

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i have a thought ....

from my perspective ...

i am a man. if i were god, i wouldn't create man for company.
i would want the company of a woman.....

but then again, there are times when i think maybe things were simpler when women were ribs ....

father?
maybe, just maybe ...

father
fat her
mother nature, perhaps?

If you did suffer the cross of being gay,
when you were meant to be of god,
and you were raised in the most wrong version of old religion,
every day in fear for demons in and outside you,
everyday in love with life as still far away,
you will have to suffer your cross so much
as to make god talk logic instead of visions.
And to understand every symbolism
in the bible that is. Man and Man.
Spirit and spirit. How do you free yourself
fom lies, if you didn't go wrong first.
How does the spirit appreciate its oneness with a woman, creation,
if it didn't divide first, kissed a man, and the woman wasn't left on first.
How does the kid appreciate the parents,
if it didn't run away first.


Logic is what makes full the mind of elijah
it's the cross that is his cup.
The pain had to be so much,
that logic completes itself.

A tree ends at the top.
A pyramid ends in one stone.
Logic ends in one head.


Old religion expects the false one to be gay.
No regard for woman.
Religion sometimes tries to reach the heavens before it saw its feet to get there, the ground. Man with a Man.

Elijah they will not recognise.
They will hide for the sun.
They will blame the moon.
Witnesses are One, father and sons. Sun and moon.
2 witnesses, but only one, free of the curse side of torah law,
which needs 2 seperate witnesses, or being divided.
Eclipsed they will be.

When the antichrist is the one,
who doesn't regard creation as one with the father.

Logic will kill itself, it was, but never is.
it will fall from heaven,
and freedom will be the next logic, that was before, is and will be after.
as predicted.


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ooh ooh .... collaborative poetry ....

Originally posted by pasttheclouds

A tree ends at the top.

heaven ends with a pop.

A pyramid ends in one stone.

but lasts as long as the wind has blown.

Logic ends in one head.

logic shared here in this thread.

Old religion expects the false one to be gay.

while rainbows march in parade one day.

your heart knows the way, it feels the way home, borders hurt.
Peace doesnt make our way, when peace is the end of our way.

solomons seal. 2 pyramids.
One up, One down.
Freedom > logic > freedom

The way of the lost sheep.

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Jesus never said it was wrong to tie kittens in a bag and throw then in the lake. Still, we all know in our hearts what is evil and what is good don't we?

yeah, but a clock turns round, sometimes.
people think rage and insanity are worse then ignorance.

in WOII insanity was allowed to rule by ignorance.
the big lesson.
The devils are not the insane, the devils are those that do not care enough,
to see the insane.

Those that do not see negatives when life asks them to see them.