The Beast Cannot rise until the 5th Trumpet (7th seal)

Originally posted by fmoriss
Volcano anyone?

"and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit"

"And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit."

Revelation 8:12.

".And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them were darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."

Also in Mathew 24:29 it says:

"Immediately after the tribulatioin of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken."

Sounds like a caldera blowing up. A super volcano basically. They say if Yellowstone's caldera was to blow it would become like night and could trigger another ice age. It would effect the world basically.

good one. revelation is a multi-layered affair. there's a literal layer, a symbollic layer, an astronomy layer, a political layer, a religious layer and a financial layer and who knows how many more! that's probably the most complex book ever written.

as regards the whore of babylon on the scarlet beast. note it doesn't have crowns on its horns or its heads. so it is not referring to the political or financial beast but solely to the religious beast, which is apparently not wielding political power but religious power. i did a little study on the crowns and their placement.

one beast had crowns on his seven heads.
one beast had crowns on his 10 horns but not its heads.
one beast had no crowns on head or horns.

the crowns appear to denote political power. so the 7 crowns beast is the head honcho of both the 10 crowns and the no crowns beasts. which fits right in with his description. you might also want to consider the astronomy layer at this point, as it seems to point to additional information that is pertinent about how the rest of the beast system operates, specifically, the great red dragon references in chapter 12, which is an event appearing in heaven. here's a video (i think you'll find this verrry interesting, if you haven't already seen it) on the subject of draco the dragon constellation .. .it starts at around 3:08 in to the video



note also that the sumerian Enki, in the sumerian text ENKI AND THE WORLD ORDER is called the "great dragon"

Grandiloquent lord of heaven and earth, self-reliant, father Enki, engendered by a bull, begotten by a wild bull, cherished by Enlil the Great Mountain, beloved by holy An, king, mes tree planted in the Abzu, rising over all lands; great dragon who stands in Eridug, whose shadow covers heaven and earth

source
www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk...

oh yes, the rabbit hole goes waaaaay back. for example, the bottomless pit in revelation 9 is probably the abzu mentioned in that excerpt above, because abzu was later translated "abyss". and we know what the greek word for bottomless pit is, don't we?

Originally posted by DOADOA
didn't this already happened two thousand years ago? the author is not writing in future tense.

how did these scriptures become prophecies? anyone know?

Hi DOADOA/

The Book of the Apocalypse(Revelation)is about prophecy to come,something of which will be revealed.
The Author is Saint John the Apostle, who lived the longest out of the Apostles.
His body was not found and it has been said that He too, will return to warn the world of the Antichrist.

A few comments on the O.P///
The False prophet needs to come before the Antichrist makes his appearance....as Saint John the Baptist foretold the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
As Christ is the Trinity, so shall the Antichrist have a trinity(false)
To try and figure out who this will be or who it is, is futile because a few things more needs to happen before his apperance!
The book of the Apocalypse also speaks of 'seven hills'.....

ICXC NIKA
helen

reply to post by doctorex




here's a subtopic, concerning your item 3:

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power

years ago, many authors suggested that these 'Locusts' were actually 20th century helicopters seen through the eyes of the 90AD John the revelator

I submit that even the interpetation that Locusts=Helicopters
is passe'
Now, at this 21st century date, the biblical 'Locusts' with 'scorpion stinger tails' are more like the present day PREDATOR DRONES with their on-board 'hellfire missiles'

SO - i see prophecy interpetation, especially in this instance, as a muddled mess.... and ever changing
but during this era's window-of-opportunity to be interpitively correct by saying Predator Drone represent the biblical Locusts...may itself soon pass us by



thanks

This is very interesting, but I get confused on the symbolisms.

4th beast in Daniel and beast in Rev 13:1 are the same

10 horns are political kingdoms from the West
little horn that arose is the kingdom of papacy, diverse from the other kingdoms (political) and had eyes of man and mouth that spoke proud things (Papacy grew to change laws, powerful, referred to as God on Earth, Vicar, etc.)

this little horm (papacy )made war with the saints ...who are?? Arianism? Christians?
subdued 3 kings - history here, depends on which historical thought you buy into: Greeks Lombards Franks, Herulil Vandals, Ostragoths
or Christian peoples , I am confused here

now

Revelation 13:1:3
Kingdom with 7 heads (mountains also known as kingdoms or governments, multitudes of people)
Whore of Babylon, mother of harlots .is the many corrupt religions or churches of man that exist today

I certainly don't know very much and there are so many facets to all this ...are these anywhere near what you are talking about??