UFO FLEET OF 43 ORBS LargestFleetFootage in USA

Originally posted by zaiger
Greetings,

Maybe the Ashtar command is an alien race that has evolved beyond the need of reality

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one" - Albert Einstein

Hello Cmdraleon.

You seem to have either missed, or ignored, my previous posts. So, for your convenience, here’s a link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please be kind enough – and exercise some common courtesy – to answer the questions contained therein. Thank you.

You really seem to be stuck in the mire with this balloon/spaceship comparison. And because of that, I am confused. You said (my emphasis):

Can it even be possible and I looked hard for fake ufo fleet footage then i looked under baloons in the skies to see if any of them compare to the real footage that people have been recording around the world my conclusion is its possible but if you have been involved and seen UFO fleets in the skies above which I did in the mid 1960's on a very clear night they were in a moving fast and in a close formation at the time .

So you are admitting that you witnessed UFOs back in the Sixties – like many ordinary people have. And in your “conclusion” - which indicates you have deduced an answer you feel comfortable with as opposed to be working with absolute knowledge – you say it is possible for some of the videos to be of balloons. Fair enough.

But then you go on to say:

Its hard if any of us are not with these people video taping these UFO events in the skies above .

Why would it be “hard” for you to know what they are? Considering your special position that would undoubtedly give you prior knowledge of these “fleets” – something “ordinary” people do not have access to – surely you would know for a certainty what we are seeing. So why admit that there is an ambiguity about them?

And then you compound the issue by saying:

Its highly unlikely that every Fleet of UFOs being video taped are alot of Baloons floating in the skies .

“Highly unlikely”? Why is it “highly unlikely”? Because them being balloons doesn’t fit neatly into your paradigm?

And this is where my confusion begins. You are exhibiting a distinct hesitation in the delivery of your conviction, not only that, but you often seem to be insecure in the validity of the objects in question. You are floundering in the face of denial, ignoring highly relevant and pertinent questions.

But, aren’t you are a self-confessed Commander of the Ashtar Galactic Command? Doesn’t that make you something akin to a superior being?

Many will at this stage think I’m simply bashing you for the sake of it. If that’s the case, then read this from Cmdraleon’s own blog (my emphasis):

Greetings Commanders,
As we continue to grow and expand our cosmic awareness and Spiritual understandings living here now .
Our senses and feelings are more elevated to a great level then ever before .
Each of you has the ability to be telepathic and feel and sense things before they happen now.

www.ashtarcommandcrew.net...

And if that wasn’t enough (my emphasis):

Here is my insight on these Blonde men in this Crop Circle that they were Space Brothers that were doing some misson asignment within the Crop Circle that's as much as I am getting at the moment to share from inner guidance and telepathic contact which I have 24/7 with the Ashtar Command and Kar Dar Monka of the Saturian Council.

So that would suggest quite unequivocally that you – and all of your “Commanders” - have higher abilities, doesn’t it?

So, when all that is taken into account, why the continuing indecision and reluctance to engage your detractors Commander?


[edit on 1-9-2009 by Beamish]

reply to post by Beamish


Greetings Beamish,

I am responding based on a persons believe system in the context of my answers to that person.

My awareness and understanding of the Cosmic area I validate completely .

The ships that I saw in the night sky back in the 1960's and I do not know how old you might be ,but these were a squadron of craft why up in the night sky .

From my perspective and right now simple put Many ships come into the Earth atmosphere as Bright Orbs ,some come in as large Ships to some ,and others will just look stranger then conventional aircraft.

Beamish many times you keep saying you believe in UFOs in some of your posts to others ,but do you really understand what you believe and can you share why you believe if you feel alot of the video's being taped from your standpoint are not UFOs and or SpaceShips from afar?.

I am responding as I should in this area and discussion which certianly is ongoing and open to both skeptics debunkers and yes those who believe what I am sharing is true.

My connections cosmically and spiritually are from my experiences which have allowed me to see things alot differently witjhin this subject as a whole.

Remember the saying "I am a Spiritual Being having a Human experience"

Beamish are you only having a Human experience ?

When we look at these things in a more expanded open awareness then not all the video's will seem like Baloons to some .

I posted a Baloon for the sake of those who do not believe these objects are real.

I do believe 100% that these Orbs of Light are not at all Baloons .

Tell the person in Mexico who video taped them that those are Baloons not UFOs or Orbs and even some kind of Spacecraft more advanced then what is available here on Earth.

More and more people around the World are having unique experiences many for the first time seeing these Lights in the skies above.

Maybe you have had your own experiences Beamish that you can share and if you have not one day you will .

When that day comes your life will change forever.

Blessings and Peace,
CmdrAleon

Originally posted by zaiger
reply to post by Cmdraleon

 

Greetings Cmdraleon of the ashtar command ,

Yes i think that the video that you posted is fake, like many of your threads.

Thanks for your comments .
Blessings and Peace,
Zaiger President of the ashtar command

Greetings Zaiger ,

Can you prove these videos are faked ?
How are they faked .

I have seen many faked CGI video on the Internet and have been extremely careful to post what are not faked video.

When a real UFO Investigative Group comes forward and say''s these are all fake then I will agreed with you .

If the National UFO Reporting Center or Mufon plus any number of serious UFO Investigative groups look at these and other video's and deem them faked after careful review then I again am with you.

I look at alot of ufo related video and pass alot of it because it has been faked or its a flying pot of coffee .

When you see me post video it will be ones that I have exaimined closely as one can using the Internet.

Thanks again for your viewpoint .

Blessings and Peace,
CmdrAleon


[edit on 1-9-2009 by Cmdraleon]

reply to post by Cmdraleon

My awareness and understanding of the Cosmic area I validate completely .

Validate how, precisely?

To validate a belief to someone else, you have to be able to confirm its existence successfully – or at least stimulate their curiosity so they pursue it- to the satisfaction of that person. Is that not correct? What you are trying to do with this – and other – videos is to try and convince us that they are of ET origin. (To your credit, you may well see these videos as just that, but you should be mindful of one problem; you are most definitely seeing them through a filter created by the “articles of faith” the AGC promotes.)

We see them as something entirely different. And you will have to admit – until you can present something undeniable - that any alternative explanation is just as valid as yours for what are, after all, indistinct lights in the sky.

I asked you previously how you are so sure they are ET, and as yet you still have not answered. But when you say:

My connections cosmically and spiritually are from my experiences which have allowed me to see things alot differently witjhin this subject as a whole.

I think we start to see a possible explanation. You are expressing beliefs that were seeded in your UFO sighting back in the ‘60’s. The Ashtar Command allows you to express the highly personal spiritual experience you underwent in an enveloping, and supportive, context that you find comfortable and welcoming.

The ships that I saw in the night sky back in the 1960's and I do not know how old you might be ,but these were a squadron of craft why up in the night sky .

I’m of the Beatles’ generation too. How do you know that it was a “squadron”? I’m wouldn’t be so arrogant to say it was or wasn’t, as I obviously wasn’t there, but when you speak of something with such certainty, you have to expect some skeptical inquisitiveness.

I am responding as I should in this area and discussion which certianly is ongoing and open to both skeptics debunkers and yes those who believe what I am sharing is true.

I find your attitude and approach to those who don’t believe, or question, you quite refreshing; you come across as being truthful. And in a way you are, as your beliefs are obviously deeply held.

From my perspective and right now simple put Many ships come into the Earth atmosphere as Bright Orbs ,some come in as large Ships to some ,and others will just look stranger then conventional aircraft.

Language is a very telling thing; “perspective”. Perspective suggests viewpoint – opinion. It does not mean you are in receipt of the absolute truth; a bearer of conclusive evidence. If you were arguing that the objects in the videos might be alien ships, and offered an opinion why, then this discussion may well be different.

Stating that they are alien, and that you can say this because of your own ongoing “spiritual experiences”, with only articles of faith to support them, is a pointless exercise and is where the whole thing starts to collapse.

Utilizing something that you insist presents strong evidence, when it does not, finishes the job.

Beamish many times you keep saying you believe in UFOs in some of your posts to others ,but do you really understand what you believe and can you share why you believe if you feel alot of the video's being taped from your standpoint are not UFOs and or SpaceShips from afar?.

Yes, I believe. Whilst this thread is not about me, I will answer you with a summary from my perspective; belief in ETs is a rational and logical pursuit. If we are here, others can be too.

As to the subject of the video, I said they could be balloons etc., because as they are so distant and so indistinct it is as reasonable a prospect they are not ships as it is they are. My question was; how do you know they are?

Remember the saying "I am a Spiritual Being having a Human experience" Beamish are you only having a Human experience ?
When we look at these things in a more expanded open awareness then not all the video's will seem like Baloons to some .

There’s that “perspective” thing again. If we transmute the word perspective to trust, then maybe we’re getting even nearer to the crux of this thread. How I – or anyone - am experiencing life should not influence my assessment of the UFO phenomenon, nor should it colour understanding of it.

If a spaceship is a spaceship, what difference can it make if I believe that Jesus is an officer on a starship?

If there is a requirement or requirement that I have to be “spiritual” to understand – or even see - UFOs, then that makes those who pilot them discriminatory, doesn’t it? Having a lack of spiritual insight does not make someone a bad human being.

Maybe you have had your own experiences Beamish that you can share and if you have not one day you will .

When that day comes your life will change forever.

No, I have never seen a UFO. Maybe my life will change when I do.

Wasn’t Paul of Tarsus converted on the road to Damascus?

You have the ear of advanced beings; where’s my revelation?

reply to post by Cmdraleon


Greetings Cmdraleon,

I can't "proove" that the video is fake all i have to go on is my eyes. In my eyes that looks fake.

I have posted a comparison video for people to look at.

Can you proove im not your superior and the president and of the ashtar command?

Your president,
Zaiger

Originally posted by Cmdraleon

When you see me post video it will be ones that I have examined closely as one can using the Internet.

Thanks again for your viewpoint .

Blessings and Peace,
CmdrAleon


[edit on 1-9-2009 by Cmdraleon]

CmdrAleon, since nobody else is going to ask you, please if you could quickly post these things:

-the
:Source
:Location
:person who filmed the event and can vouch for its authenticity as either ufo or 'advanced' air/spacecraft.

Until you do so the human race isn't going to take you seriously, and if, just if - you are that dyslexic Alien commander we spoke of, then you aren't applying your primary directive, that is to convince us, not point us towards thinking it's ALL a hoax,

believe it or not some people have something useful to say.. and that rule applies to aliens too :-P

Peace
A

reply to post by DjSharperimage

I think they are balloons too.
Just doesn't seem like ships to me, looks like a pack of balloons, schools often have kids but a message in a balloon for a class experiment...I know I've done it.

Thanks OP for the post.

When I see this the first thing I think, it flock of birds. Its difficult to say what this is, but I have seem lots of 'fleet' videos that turn out to be birds migrating at high altitude.

I dont know though, I want it to be more. But when you think logically about it, all that energy and effort to bring an amarda of heavy machinery into our skys to do what? Just fly over? It seems illogical and pointless.

I just one day hope that some official source, eg a governemt, will just turn round and say, 'you know what, yeah its true. Were not alone'.

Here's a few more videos.

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[edit on 3-9-2009 by Sargoth]

reply to post by Jed1Knight



Greetings JediKnight,

Our concept of Ships is that they are heavy because our Airline Jets and Space Shuttle Craft are not light by any means.

If we take this from a other Worldly perception then you can look at these Orbs or Light Craft as being not build or created as our Space Ships are here on Earth.

How can they be just moving around in our skies like that in groups .

They defy Gravity and are Technology .

These Intelligent Beings can be highly advanced to the point that they have no need for Space Craft that are heavy as ours are .

When we stop thinking logic and start looking from the perspective of those in the skies then the possibilities are expanded .

Thank you for your comments and ideas.

Blessings and Peace,
CmdrAleon

reply to post by Cmdraleon

When we stop thinking logic and start looking from the perspective of those in the skies then the possibilities are expanded .

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

Cmdraleon just recommended that we stop thinking logically (i.e. Just accept without question or the intervention of reason or doubt), and believe.

What does that make his statement? A call for blind faith, that's what; don't doubt it, don't question it, just let it in.

That kind of insidious approach is the same methodology utilised by any other evangelical church on this planet. You'd think that advanced beings would have developed a better way of convincing us that they're here, wouldn't you?

Like supplying incontrovertible evidence as opposed to indistinct blobs.

Cmdraleon, would you please answer the points I put forward in my previous post? Cherry picking who you reply to makes you look bad and suggests that you’re not here to discuss the more awkward issues you have raised, just to proselytize.

And, as a self-appointed public representative of your faith – The Ashtar Galactic Command - you are continuing to misrepresent it and place it in an even worse light if that behaviour continues.

Originally posted by Beamish
reply to post by Cmdraleon

 

You say "Please supply definitive proof that the objects in the video are, as you state quite categorically, alien space ships. Anything will do, apart from blind faith."

It right in front of you.

With respect, no it’s not.

Thats your opinion . I have had sightings that were in groups back in the 1960's at night .

You are looking at the video and the UFOs in it from how you believe these things should move .

Why do they have to move the way you want them to in order for you to believe?

What you have put up as definitive proof is open to many interpretations. Yours is just one. These “ships” appear to do nothing other than follow the whims of high altitude currents; they swirl and move around each other randomly, not in “formation” as you insist. I accept that it is a stretch to expect alien species to have the same standards as we do when it comes to creating “fleet formations”, and, indeed, their idea of “formation” may well be what we deem random placement. Saying that, you also have to admit that there is nothing in the video that even remotely suggests that this is an alien fleet.

From what conclusion they are not an Et Fleet?
Nothing to suggest in your opinion .
How should all Et Fleets in the skies look ?

Do you have certian way you want them to appear so you can believe .

The Universe does not work that way .

Its not going to be packaged nicely for you to look at the way you want them to .

So, once again, I ask; how do you know it is?

From my perspective you have Blind Faith in what is safe to believe and accept from what you have stated in your message here.

My perspective is not blinkered by any agenda or belief. Can I suggest that you analyze your comment carefully? Hopefully you will see the unintentional irony.

What Agenda ?Presenting an awareness that these are Spaceships just not looking the way you wish them to again appearing to the Human eye.


When it comes to UFOs, I am open to any rational, unbiased interpretation, accepting (and even expecting) that that interpretation may well be uncomfortable and challenging. To do otherwise is arrogant.

I agree with that statement wholeheartedly above.Which also means and expanded awareness cosmically and spiritually should be included to understand this aswell. Unless you add Spiritual to this how can you make the connections ?

But I hope you understand what the difference is between personal interpretation and observable proof.

When I observe the video just from that point I do not see Balloons in the air.

People do set off groups of Balloons which have been show here even I added one .

Again not all these recorded sighting's in Mexico and elsewhere are Balloons

Many Skeptics and the Debunkers always will say this about all the videos of this nature .

You may have missed – or not understood (not sure if English is your first language) – my previous comment:

And before I get accused of being a complete disbeliever; I accept that they may also be – by some strange and magical chance – the self same “orbs” we see in the Tether Video, plunging into our atmosphere for reasons unknown.

I am permitted to accept this as a possibility as until these objects are indentified, they are unidentified and therefore their reality is open to the whims of a universe the intricacies of which we have yet to fully comprehend.

So let me simplify it: I believe in the existence of extraterrestrial life. What I will not do is accept everything as proof, as you seem to do.

You can look at these video's and any other real video's of these Craft and I understand you will still follow the belief system of needing the proof.

What’s wrong with demanding proof? Why this continuing distrust of those who won’t just accept someone else’s interpretation of what are, at their heart, almost surreal events? What do we do otherwise? Yup: accept blind faith as our understanding.

Its not blind faith .Its not being blind to what exists and is being shown to the human eye.

Faith is not a bad thing and having blind faith most people I know do not .



Lights in the sky do not always mean aliens. What you seem to be doing, at the behest of your belief system, is to interpret most UFO videos that fit your idea of alien craft as being real. Is that not a ridiculous way to approach the phenomenon? Where’s your common sense? Is intelligent discrimination anathema in the Ashtar Command? To paraphrase an ATS member: ‘Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out’.

If you look at everything just with the brain and not with the eyes that have been given to you to see . Then you end up missing what is right in front of you.
The first thing you observe with a UFO Sighting in a field or on a video as this is the case here.

Go with the first impressions of what you are seeing .

Many times that first impression is a good one .

When you over think what it is many times you lose sight of what you were seeing in the first place.

How about showing those that understand and believe what is happening in the skies above a video a good one to disprove every UFO Event that has been recorded over the years if you can do that .

How do you define a good UFO Video who decides what is good and what is not.

How many years have these increased events like the one in the video been happening.

Why would people all over the world start taping Balloons ?

Do you think all th footage on the Internet of these Sightings are Ballooons?

How can one video disprove every event? Your question is pointless. There are hundreds of videos that were leaped upon by those who believe blindly and that were subsequently proven to be fake. Do some research here on ATS.

Who are the UFO experts ? What makes one an expert?

I have seen craft up close no video many years ago does that make me an expert?

You mention 100's of fake ones yes some are faked and people who have no idea what they are viewing might not know the difference .

You also need to understand that 100's of video out on the Internet that are being posted via youtube etc are not faked and real aswell.

You just have to know what your viewing closely .

Its a two way highway .

True. But you have to watch both lanes, don’t you, just in case something dangerous is approaching?

Thats your way of of thinking .

A two way highway means you need to see beyond what you believe .

You might miss the exit ramp.

Its not just what I believe Beamish or not .

My understanding come from having direct encounters with Space Craft for many years including fireball UFOs that were greenish in color flying very low in the middle of the night looking out the window .

I understand you have not had a UFO experience yet .

So that makes it a bit harder for you to just realize what is real and not from an observer standpoint.

I can figure out what is real and believe me I have seen fake video on Youtube when looking for real video that shows UFOs .

I can't say all of your question have been answered in the way you would like but I hope you understand my view of these events happening a bit better then before.

Blessings and Peace,
CmdrAleon

[edit on 4-9-2009 by Cmdraleon]