The Town Hall Controversy: Real or Manufactured?

I personally believe that the bill was purposefully written in such a way to create an internecine partisan battle that would keep Americans occupied while backdoor bills were created to limit our freedoms and consolidate more power to the Federal Government.

Consider this, the Cold War arms race enabled the passage of that legislation that allowed FEMA to take control of the government and have our Constitution suspended. The 9-11 "attacks" enabled the Patriot Act to be pushed through, creating a significant loss to our rights to privacy, due process, and presumption of innocence. The health care debates wherein "angry individuals" or agent provocateurs (I'm not sure which) have made it appear as if there is a violent threat to the government's chief executive thus giving the administration an excuse to evoke/invoke articles contained within the Patriot Act. Problem, Reaction, Solution. These problems allow them to react and provide a solution.

We don't like the solution.

Furthermore, with everyone watching the news to see what new thing the "nutjobs" will do the states are passing quarantine legislation right and left.

Let's see...loss of privacy, expansion of FEMA powers to suspend Constitution, camps being built, potential coffins being moved to locations near these new facilities, swine flu pandemic that's not a pandemic, mandatory vaccinations or quarantine, real id, biometric cameras...

Yeah we really need to worry about that evil health care bill because there is nothing worse on our plate...

Let them pass the legislation. All that will do is anger the masses more. At that point violence would be the only option left and, although that's not a great way to deal with the problem it may be the only solution to it as they are forcing our hand in the matter.

And the last thing they want is to lose control.

The bill wasn't created to be controversial, the bill was created to set the system of a single payer system, while slowly driving out private insurance. They made the bill a 1000 pages hoping no one would read it. Well that got it wrong.

Lost of people have read it, and they don't like what is in it. The dems tried to rush this through and it didn't work. Now the worse possible mistake they could make is shoving this bill down our throats, it won't be good for anybody.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
The bill wasn't created to be controversial, the bill was created to set the system of a single payer system, while slowly driving out private insurance. They made the bill a 1000 pages hoping no one would read it. Well that got it wrong.

Lost of people have read it, and they don't like what is in it. The dems tried to rush this through and it didn't work. Now the worse possible mistake they could make is shoving this bill down our throats, it won't be good for anybody.

The bill was written in such a way that it would not pass in the proposed time frame. It is too large and unwieldy to be read by all. It has controversial wording. Anyone in Washington for more than a week would realize that legislation of this size, regarding this issue could not be passed before the end of the session. It is timed perfectly for people to be all in an uproar over the un-passable bill just in time for them to wake up during flu season to all of their rights taken away.

Tell me, did Fox cover the pandemic legislation that just passed in two states with the same fervor (if at all) as they do the health care bill that is still in committee?

Isn't a possible quarantine outside of your own home if you do not take the mandatory flu shot the stuff of headline news?

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The bill HR3200, was written in november of 2008. They (liberals, whomever) were just waiting to get this thing passed. As usual, they underestimated us, and over estimated their approach to having this bill done. Their ego's got in the way of this.

Evident by their total "shock" at the outrage propogated by the wee little people.

Obama et al, are pushing too hard on this now. hundreds of planned protests for the bill, paying people to show up and support this bill (Craigslist), and the media denying opposition to the bill (ABC, NBC).

This is just one facet of the whole that they are trying to gain control over all aspects our lives.

It's not over by a long shot.

That's a prediction you can bank on.

I don't think there's a town hall controversy.

I think that there's a health care bill controversy that the town hall meetings have made more visible.

What is interesting about the town hall meetings is that they are designed as a forum for the citizens to be heard, not as lecture halls for politicians.

If there is such a thing as a town hall controversy it is that the people who've come to be heard have been vilified for doing so.

It's not so easy to cram legislation down the throats of the people and the health care bill has been a sharp reminder of that to our elected legislators.

The 2009 add on hopes to cripple local farmer for Corporate Farms

On May 22nd Congress enacted the Food, Conservation and Energy Act of 2008.

After a Presidential veto, the House voted 316-108 and the Senate voted 82-13 to overwhelmingly override the veto.

Behind the thin green gloss Congressional leaders spread across the subsidy-laden 2008 farm bill, key Democratic lawmakers are hacking away at promises to expand conservation and other environmental programs.

When the bill became law on June 18, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi boasted that it would represent "historic new investments" in programs to protect water quality and wildlife. Those investments helped mute the opposition of many in Congress and some interest groups, who objected to the bill's continuation of hefty subsidies to large, wealthy farm operators now earning record incomes in the ongoing commodity boom.

But within weeks of the farm bill's passage, the Senate appropriations committee sent to the Senate floor a spending bill (S.3289) that would slash conservation measures by $331 million in fiscal year 2009.

Commodity subsidies that provide billions to the richest farmers each year remained untouched.