U.S. Marine Stands Up for Our Rights Against Congressman – video

reply to post by uaocteaou


Hey dude, love your avi. Star for you =)

Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by uaocteaou

 

Nice hammer and sickle

We obvious know here your coming from

If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to purchase you and your family a one-way ticket to Venezuela where you can lap up all of the socialism that you'd like. But I've got some news for ya - it'll happen here in the United States over my dead body - and the dead bodies of millions of patriots just like me!

You wanna take that bet!?

Venezuela isn't Socialist, it's State Capitalist. There's never been a true socialist country before, including the USSR.

Lets hear your qualifications, lets hear your research and study - put it out there for us to consider it ?

Otherwise you are simply full of it - pure garbage. You simply do not understand how vile your attempts to portray people as Nazis is - you simply DO not understand WHY no- one, and I mean NO ONE with any understanding or education on the issues would be so baseless, and immoral to resort to such juvenile name calling.

You placed a quote up regarding fascism - I have without even researching absolute faith that this is something you have garnered from the web - without even reading a book.

You truly, truly have no shame.

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by audas

 

You are the one who brought up the Nazi stuff that got me replying, by claiming the protesters were using brownshirt tactics/methods.

Let's just agree to disagree. I still like your vocabulary, nice job.

No it was in the VIDEO !

Originally posted by kingoftheworld
That is man is a disgrace to socialism and a true American Patriot who loves his country as much as the people who have died to keep it free as well as the people who reside here. America is a one of kind country...Never before has there been a Country in the history of the world where the citizens are soveriegn (well atleast they used to be :mad

. I think that America needs to take a 180 and go back to how things used to be when the country was founded.

You mean when our leaders owned black slaves?
When women were considered property or such?
When women couldn't vote?
Blacks were slaves?
Before the 10 Amendments?

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


You keep talking with such authority about issues you have NO IDEA about, this is why you find it so easy to conflate the sheer evil of the NAZIS with whatever you happen ti disagree with - it is the most puerile unintelligent behaviour I can assure you from one educated person to a clear illiterate.

Your association with Nazism is vile, it is repugnant in the most extreme ways, your appropriation of it to further your purposes and propagate your puerile propaganda is utterly repugnant in the extreme - I have dedicated YEARS of my life to understanding this heinous blight on the history of humanity - you have done nothing but usurp the horrors of this time to further your own historically, factually and theoretically ILLITERATE suppositions -

Your words, deeds and associations are outrageous in the most extreme way - utterly contemptible and you ahve no remorse for your vile behaviour - you need to learn some REAL respect for what happened in Nazi Germany, and Poland - as you sure as sht do not seem to understand the pain and suffering this causes people with your reactionary, unflinching willingness, to use these horrors to further your own causes - not only have I studied this for years I have taken the time to TRAVEL to these places - I have been there and stood on the very earth where these people were put to death, I have stood inside the crematoriums and gas chambers, I have travelled to see the concetration camps and death centres - YOU CLEARLY HAVE NOT - otherwise you not be so willing to smear their deaths across the internet in some revolting campaign delivered out of the most SHEER IGNORANCE to better your own personal position - it is utterly contemptable - I have STOOD in the rooms where people were sentenced to death, their autopsies carried out under the Nazi purification regime - the final solution - I have stood in teh very courtyars were millions of people were marched to their deaths - I have seen their hair, I touched their shoes, I have stood in their huts - the smell of sht still hangs in the air - and you simply take one of the greatest of human tradgedies and treat it with almost utter disdain as you liken it to Obamas attempts to provide universal health care - you are simply disgusting.

For you to better eduvate yourself on what NAZISM attempted to achieve - for you to consider what NAZISM REALLY is take a look : I find you ignorant and revolting -

Gypsies put to death in Birkenhao
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Chronic starvation
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The huts from Birkenao (maybe Berlin)
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The first attempts at disposing of bodies -
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The is what you are conflating with Obamas policies -
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When they were placed into the gas chambers they would climb above one another into great piles to escape the gas from the pellets as they reacted to the air - the weakest at the bottom - I have stood in this very room

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As this room -

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The early methods of NAZISM were crude and ineffective - I have stood in the rooms were people were shot in the back of the head as they pretended to take their picture - a ploy to keep them calm - here there were no such qualms...
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I do not think the marines in this photo would be so willing to describe Nancy or Obama as NAZI's because these MARINES have seen what it really means - UNLIKE YOURSELF
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And just in case you get BORED looking at photos here is some video so you can understand what it is you are saying when you call Obama and his cohorts Nazi's




Hopefully NOW you can learn to moderate your language and understand that you simply can not use what ever is at your disposal to win your argument, that there are truths behind the charades you drum up to appease your trifling mind -

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Umm ok........ Who actually resorted to PHYSICAL VIOLENCE toward one side for their political views? Nice try at justification though, I give you an "A" for effort.

Uh... I cannot take responsibility for his actions and you cannot lay that on me.
You might place the responsibility on the man who preformed the assault.
I understand both mens views and I fully understand the manipulation energizing
each side. Remind me to blame you for any future acts in name of opposition.

Cue Standard Mod Speech

Hi People,

Can we please stick with the usual chestnuts of 'attack the post NOT the poster' please...

...debate/state your case by all means...but lets keep it clear of the personal sidejabs and attacks.


Cheers,
ALIEN

Originally posted by audas
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

Your association with Nazism is vile, it is repugnant in the most extreme ways, your appropriation of it to further your purposes and propagate your puerile propaganda is utterly repugnant in the extreme - I have dedicated YEARS of my life to understanding this heinous blight on the history of humanity - you have done nothing but usurp the horrors of this time to further your own historically, factually and theoretically ILLITERATE suppositions -

Audas, you are the one associating people with Nazism, inappropriately at that, I might add. I am sure that we all are glad you have study the Nazi rise to power. Just because it happened once does not mean that the methods used in the rise to power cannot be employed once again by the PTB. Just because someone points out certain conditions, doesn't make them a Nazi associate.

Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It. One would do well to look to the past to ensure it doesn't ever get repeated. There are troubling signs that have cropped up. I don't think anyone here thinks that we are going to witness the Fourth Reich in America. We are drifting towards places where we, as a society, have not drifted before. There are methods being employed that, quite honestly, I find disturbing. Staged town halls, ramrodding major legislation through without real debate, shutting out the opposition from any meaningful role in government, semi-nationalization of key industries and ignoring or giving a nod and wink to physically roughing up political opponents are troubling to me and quite a few others. These are real concerns and they need to be seriously addressed. Both sides are getting more extreme/entrenched, that doesn't bode well.

You are kind of personally attacking/insulting people in this thread, lately, IMO. I would suggest a cooling off period, lest it get out of hand. Things have gotten heated and it would be wise to take a break sometimes.

Myself, it's late and I'm tired.

Good night.


[edit on 25-8-2009 by pavil]

Originally posted by mental modulator
Uh... I cannot take responsibility for his actions and you cannot lay that on me.
You might place the responsibility on the man who preformed the assault.
I understand both mens views and I fully understand the manipulation energizing
each side. Remind me to blame you for any future acts in name of opposition.

You don't have to take responsibility, obviously you didn't do it (I hope!). Have no fear, I squarely put the blame on the idiots who do the physical violence, and I will do so, regardless of their political leanings either way. You "could" condemn the use of physical attacks against another for their political views however."Understanding" why someone would resort to physical violence in a political debate worries me. There should be no need to resort to that.

It's late, time to sleep.

Originally posted by Unit541
Ok, now who's the one with no clue what he's talking about? He's a self described Marine vet. Never did he say disabled.

Re-watch the video and at 1:57 minutes in....

"What I wanna know, as a marine, as a disabled veteran who's served his country, I've kept my oath. Do you ever intend to keep yours?"

reply to post by audas


Your reply with the pictures and such from the Nazi regime is AFTER it had taken power and the atrocities that subsequently occurred.

Just because the only VIEW you have of Nazi Germany is the extermination of jews and the concentration camps, doesnt address the GOVERNMENTAL ACTIONS OF SAID PARTY, and the take overs that eventually LED to the jewish massacre.

No one said he was exterminating anyone, we said his policies and what he and his administration are doing fall in like with what FASCISM is BY DEFINITION.

The Nazi's in turn were FASCIST

Just because you have a certain mental blockade and pictures flash in your head of millions of dead jews, DOES NOT mean that the same policies that FOUNDED that regime arent glaringly apparent in what is happening in current American politics.

Take your hateful attitude and your lack of respect for the posters somewhere else.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by audas

 

Your reply with the pictures and such from the Nazi regime is AFTER it had taken power and the atrocities that subsequently occurred.

Just because the only VIEW you have of Nazi Germany is the extermination of jews and the concentration camps, doesnt address the GOVERNMENTAL ACTIONS OF SAID PARTY, and the take overs that eventually LED to the jewish massacre.

No one said he was exterminating anyone, we said his policies and what he and his administration are doing fall in like with what FASCISM is BY DEFINITION.

The Nazi's in turn were FASCIST

Just because you have a certain mental blockade and pictures flash in your head of millions of dead jews, DOES NOT mean that the same policies that FOUNDED that regime arent glaringly apparent in what is happening in current American politics.

Take your hateful attitude and your lack of respect for the posters somewhere else.

I agree, you are WAY far from a state of reason...

NAZI GERMANY was built upon a strong in country military presence, secret justice systems, a SPECIFIC enemy to stoke the flames of NATIONALISM AND PATRIOTISM, violent public displays, political hits and disappear jobs, LITERATURE which was printed and distributed for FREE, Sworn allegiances, death to opposing journalists, government control of RADIO/TV. burning of all books referencing opposing views and the cultivation of and focusing of ANGER...

SIR Fascism is a process, it relies upon specific process's to thrive, these process's
all need to be approached and achieved in a specific order...

Think Damn it! Do you really think that low of your American brothers?

IF this were a fascist takeover many of your boys would simple disappear, for MONTHS
now and you would not (hopefully) be stupid enough to transmit in this manner.
You would have been long underground and constantly on the move... FASCISM is
first and last a process of the mind!

Just as a cough does not always indicate lung cancer...

reply to post by mental modulator


Yes it is a process......take a look at whats happening step by step

No one had to be underground at first.......it was systematic....



Keep your eyes open and never think never

Its not my countrymen I think low of, its the politicians.....its the countrymen that are speaking out and getting demeaned and marginalized for it.

Once again.....systematic and gradual.....

Im not saying it will happen, but im damn sure saying that the direction we are heading and the policies being implemented draw a close parallel to how fascism gets its start........

I hate to see every single time people comparing a socialist reform bill to Nazi Germany. *sigh*.

I live in Israel, and in my country we have a universal health care which is considered number 28th for one of the best in the world.
Sure, we pay for insurance, but the government stay out of our way, and they don't tell you which treatment you will or will not recieve. Meaning, if you go and see a doctor, emergency room etc, you won't pay a dime. No question.

Now, I read the Obama health care bill. It's not a good bill, and it's not a very good health care system they want to install.
May I remind everyone that this bill is like a thousand pages long, it took a considerable amount of time of a lot of people to get it to Congress. Obviously, the powers that be have been planning on pushing this bill for a lot of time now. And sure enough, their main part of their agenda is to expand government control and power.

I do believe America should and MUST have a some kind of a universal health care, one that WORKS. I believe every citizen should be able to go to a doctor without emptying their children's college funds to do so.



[edit on 25-8-2009 by Red_Fox]

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Yes it is a process......take a look at whats happening step by step

No one had to be underground at first.......it was systematic....



Keep your eyes open and never think never

Its not my countrymen I think low of, its the politicians.....its the countrymen that are speaking out and getting demeaned and marginalized for it.

Once again.....systematic and gradual.....

Im not saying it will happen, but im damn sure saying that the direction we are heading and the policies being implemented draw a close parallel to how fascism gets its start........

But I am speaking out with a contrary view to yours and it seems I am being equated with NAZI'S. I'm not a fooking Nazi, I work hard, I take care of my self and mine.
Yet I am being marginalized just the same...

Seriously ask yourself, how are we as a nation going to work this out AS MEN if one
implies the others are NAZI'S?

Sorry I did not at any stage invoke the Nazi party it is right wing nut jobs like you people - the original VIDEO raised the issue - get it straight.

Secondly I have never doubted the use of despotic tactics, especially in the latter stages of Nazism - and what you are mentioning here is the latter stage -

The fact that you people relate A) - Nazism to socialism means you are simply moronic and have no idea. B) Relate any of what Obama is doing to Nazism again makes you Morons.

There is simply nothing that can be done, you have no interest what so ever in the truth - you have made up some pseudo reality based on pure fantasy and are sticking to it - noen of you have read, none of you have studied and are simply unintelligent.

No point - adios - you lose - hope you have fun with each other - sure is going to be fruitful backing each other up on your fantasy worlds.

Sheer ignorance at its finest.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by audas]

bah.. republicans for the loose

lol

reply to post by Ignorance Denied


The guy on this video is ignorant. Very ignorant.

What does an indoctrinated soldier (I can't believe he has the cheek to even utter the word 'indoctrinate' in jest!!!!) know about socialist democracy?!

Precisely nothing.

Now I'm not too up on the exact words used by this congressman but there's so muchyou don't have to know. If he said "we'll let people keep their current schemes" he was OBVIOUSLY aswering some far right ideologist journo nut, probably from FOX, who (I think it's safe to assume) asked "will you MAKE everyone pay into Obamacare" - as if Obamacare is what it will be called and AS IF they would MAKE people pay into it.

The word 'scaremongering' s a bit of a cliché here, and I can't (won't) make as nearly as much noise than someone who REALLY hates Obama simply for the sake of it, but this ignorant soldier REALLY does that cliché a great service.

Ignorance: You cannot teach it.

[edit on 25/8/2009 by TailoredVagabond]

This marine is idiot, he is a chest thumping neandrathal. He starts off by saying he is a marine and he took a oath blah blah blah. He doesn't want his kids educated? fine by me, have your kids grow up to be ignorant. He didn't make a single valid point, but did plenty of name calling. Reminds me of the marine, that i saw in traffic yesterday, driving crazy and zig zagging trying to out run everyone. i'd drive nice and easy and end up rolling up next to him at the next stop light. What an idiot.