Chemtrail Debunkers are Losing.

reply to post by C-JEAN


Since you asked me specifically ill answer your question on the video.
This is not an unheard of its called star jelly i know its strange but it has occurred for centuries.

Star jelly is a semi-mysterious gelatinous substance allegedly deposited on the ground during meteor showers. The phenomenon of star jelly has been observed since at least 1641, and probably much earlier. In Welsh, star jelly is known as pwdre sêr ("rot of the stars").

The cool thing about it do you remeber the claim by india explaining there is living biomass in space this is the origin of that claim.

Godfrey Louis is a solid-state physicist currently studying "blood-colored showers" (which may be related to star jelly)that fell in 2001 near his home in Kerala in India. He thinks they may come from space. He has isolated red 10-micrometre structures that may reproduce without DNA, but have not been extensively tested.[2] This has some connections with the chemical evolution period that was said to have been existing on early earth by many biologists.

Heres a report on Indias finding:

www.unisci.com...

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction the part of this i find amazing is it all but gurantees life can be seeded from space.So i guess its not chemtrails unless of course you believe that they had planes in 1641.

reply to post by Udontknowme


Sorry, your YouTube video friend is a load of rubbish.

He/she shows the continuing lack of understanding, by stating in the beginning the weather condtions AT THE SURFACE as being "low humidity".

Pure, unadulterated, hand-waving over nothing. Nothing I saw there was anything BUT normal contrails made by the airplanes passing overhead. AND, as it happened, some upper-level weather moved into the area as well. That's what happens, in weather. Been happening since before airplanes were invented.

Contrail formation, though, in the right conditions, will simply make the cirrus form more rapidly.

Rest of the video's assertions?? Pure tripe. Unsubstantiated, totally unwarranted, disinfo.

Did anyone see hte clouds fall to the Earth? No, they just blow over.

The only thing the video got correct, was in considering that they were contrails...BUT, at the end?? "This Must Be Stopped"???

So...let's advocate stopping all air travel, shall we?? What, does this guy prefer to travel by boat?

While we're at it, let's stop ALL motorized vehicle, because that's the major source of your pollution.

AND, do you honestly believe he interviewed EVERYONE in his neighbourhood? AND that they ALL got "sick"?

Rubbish! BUT, if you wish to believe nonsense, no one is stopping you...obviously.

Here is another youtube video for you.



Anyone looking at these videos and saying it's normal water condensation is lying.

There, it did fall again in 1997, ongoing exactly at the same town,
Oakland, and in Everett.

www.zetatalk.com...
That was the chat between Oakland persons:

Sunny: “We had a significant number of military aircraft flying over the home prior
to this happening.”

Dotty: “Every day almost, there were low flying helicopters that were black in color.
We kind of thought it might have come from them.”

Maurice: “They let off things in the air all the time here. There's testing done
all over the place. There are places you can't go into.”

Other stuff:
A Seattle television station show called Evening Magazine also broadcast a story on the
goings-on in Oakville in 1997. The Seattle Post Intelligencer had stories on August 18th
and 20th in 1994 shortly after the original Unsolved Mysteries broadcast.

Evidence that the same type of activity may still be occurring in Washington State came in on Seattle TV Channel 5, 5:30pm, on December 9, 1997, in which mysterious “blobs” of material are now falling in Everett. . .
. . .coincident with the overflight of military aircraft, it was discovered after a storm.

So, we don't need STARs and UFOs to get that gooooo !

Blue skies.

reply to post by C-JEAN


Id be more surprised if they didn't have military aircraft flying over head since there near an air force base. Fairchild Air Force Base and oh by the way have a naval air staion there as well so you find it strange military aircraft fly over the town?

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Back when I was younger (1960's, 70's, maybe 80's), the sky was blue. REALLY blue. Nearly all the time.

Now it is a steel-blue. Nearly all the time. To the people that don't believe that someone has done something in our skies... How do you explain this color difference? (After a good rain, sometimes I see a hint of that blue I used to know. But then a grid appears and the steel aspect returns.)

I am of the opinion that, regardless of what commercial and private planes may or may not be carrying, SOME planes (unregistered) ARE spraying something to our detriment.

I would say, pollution. Not Chemtrails.

Sorry about my below linking, can't get to the handbook for some reason and I do not have all the quoting/linking commands memorized.

Here is what I posted on one of the other threads that this op has created in regards to chemtrails. Cloud seeding does take place. But, commercial airlines are not involved IMO.

I saw a documentary on the history channel which talked about cloud seeding, and how it was first done in the USA back during the dust bowl era (1930's) to try and bring rain in. True scientific experiments started in the 40's.

The major types of weather modification that are currently in use or under study include cloud seeding, frost prevention, fog and cloud dispersal, hurricane modification, hail suppression, and lighting suppression.

Read more: science.jrank.org...

So, I did a bit more research, and sure enough, many countries practice cloud seeding, the United States being one of those countries. It is not done, to my knowledge, through commercial airlines though.

Russia and China are believed to be two countries that use it most. China used cloud seeding before the Olympics to try and control the rain during the games. www.scientificamerican.com...

All three cooling agents can be used to either induce or suppress precipitation, depending on the amount that is administered and the condition of the clouds

en.wikipedia.org...

www.universetoday.com...

The Nevada State Cloud Seeding Program cloudseeding.dri.edu...

Airports widely also use a technique which gets rid of fog to help with visual conditions.

I am not sure I see a "conspiracy" involved with cloud seeding, though I know that many others have more knowledge about this than I do.

In the news

www.indopia.in...

Los Angeles engaged in cloud-seeding from the 1950s to the 1990s
www.guardian.co.uk...

But other areas, including nearby Santa Barbara, have continued to use the method, typically employing airplanes or ground-based generators to spray silver iodide above mountains and watersheds.

news.google.com...

www.hindu.com...
So, does cloud seeding take place? Yes, it does. Is it in the news very much? Seems to be it is a little bit, but that it is generally not in the news very much. I am sure it happens more than we hear about. From what I could find, most states in the USA which are having drought use cloud seeding. Some will use it more in the winter to increase snow fall.

Several Universities, one I linked to above in Nevada, have cloud seeding experiments.

The controversy seems to be, not does it cause harm to the planet, but does it actually work. So far, the agreement is that it works, but only if moisture is already in the area of seeding. My question is, how damaging is it to humans, animals and the planet? Seems to be the agreement between professionals (LOL) is that it does not cause any harm. Not sure how much of that I believe. So maybe that is where the true conspiracy is, how harmful is it, not does it actually happen, because it does happen.

Harm None
Peace

Also, the military have stopped with secret weapons and technology. We now know everything they are doing. They are telling us everything and would not do anything that can cause harm to us and the environment. They never have.

And there is no reason whatsoever in doing something with the weather, that is totally useless in war and peace.

Chemtrails is debunked.

Move on people!

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Originally posted by Udontknowme
Anyone looking at these videos and saying it's normal water condensation is lying.

I find that offensive. Because I see contrails formed through completely normal processes.

If it is somehow O.K. for you to suggest that any assertion other than what you want is "lying".....then I feel free to declare your position as stupid, ignorant, and marvelously boneheaded.

reply to post by Udontknowme


This is just getting sillier and sillier!!

The video you just linked shows normal clouds and contrails, and in the time-lapse it's friggin' obvious that the form, remain aloft, and are carried by the upper winds.

I didn't see them "linger" over one particular area, I did not see them descend and threaten with "poison" the people or animals below, I saw what I've seen for my entire life: Clouds, in this case mostly cirrus, combined with jet-generated contrails, in some instances.

What I don't understand is, in today's Internet World, there are numerous resources available, showing commercial air traffic, anyone worth their salt can do the research, SEE the actual airplane's identity (it's not really a "secret") and compare with the time and position of what they observe outside.

It's not difficult, it is obvious, and "chemtrails" are bunk.

Weedwhacker:

I do not think they are passenger planes.

It's sometimes difficult to read through a multipost thread and not combine things that one person says with another, so I won't take a personal offense to it.

The planes that I watched yesterday were up so high I couldn't make them out, but you could see the "contrail" behind them.

Someone suggested that these criss cross patterns could have been made by different planes, but like I said I watched the same planes for over an hour making huge contrail criss cross patterns.

No I do not have the equipment to test what is in the cloud cover these planes contrails are producing, and if these high flying jets are military since they are flying seriously high in the atmosphere(I cannot guess the height) I doubt the military would give me access to the components of the planes or fuels.

A poster mentioned that the contrails are bound to happen in these patterns since there are over 150,000 planes flying per day etc...well if thats the case shouldn't we be seeing contrails ALL over the place???

The ones I have been a witness to usually are only one or two planes on select days.

A little off topic, but I have also read that these artifical cloud covers could be needed as a conductor in the atmosphere for HAARP, which could explain the serious spraying in the atmosphere considering my location.

Also...I saw a recent article on HAARP in a Men's magazine(I agree not the best source of vital information on science) but was surprised to see an article about it. Since I had read so much previously I was wondering what the MSM would say about it.

It mentioned conspiracy theorists think it could be used as a weapon and mind control or disrupter and basically called this idea BS.

It essentially said that it is nothing more then a pet project that only costs 10 million a year to run, and its main purpose it to study the Aurora Borealis, and create beautiful colors in the sky like the northern lights.

I found it tough to believe. hehe, go figure. That was just FYI, so I don't want to hijack the thread into a HAARP convo.

reply to post by brocket99



Well, thank you for hte account, but without knowing where you observed this activity, I will be taking a stab in the dark.

I do not think they are passenger planes.

Why? We can't merely rely on your 'opinion' of what they were. Insufficient.

The planes that I watched yesterday were up so high I couldn't make them out, but you could see the "contrail" behind them.

Again, not knowing where you were yesterday, I can't even guess. HOWEVER, you could certainly do some research into any "non-commercial" jets, which would I assume, by your inference, Military instead?

On either this, or another thread, I've linked and posted some data on the C-5 and C-17, two Military transport jets. Basically, they don't fly any higher than passenger jets. They would, as they fly, certainly produce contrails, just as commercial jets do, when conditions are conducive.

You can also look into anyy other Military jets, but you must consider their abilities to carry payload, and fuel, and any abilities to fly "higher" than the commercial jets.

Someone suggested that these criss cross patterns could have been made by different planes, but like I said I watched the same planes for over an hour making huge contrail criss cross patterns.

Yes. Again, it is quite common to see jet traffic going in many different directions. There are web sources available, to illustrate that fact.

AS TO watching the same airplanes, for an hour...the entire time. That sounds doubtful, to me, if they were, as you say, so high that you could really not see them, but just their contrails. Example, a Boeing 757-200 is 155 feet long. At altitude, it's between six and eight miles above you, if you're at Sea Level. An airplane downrange, will be even farther away, distance-wise. It's a little hard to believe that you actually SAW the airplanes make the 180-degree turns. Also, consider the speed of jets, at altitude. They will cover about seven to eight miles, each minute. Think about that.

... and if these high flying jets are military since they are flying seriously high in the atmosphere(I cannot guess the height)

Well, see? Some information can show you that is not feasible. It is the nature of our atmosphere, it can be seen in atmospheric science books, the very upper levels of air start to thin very rapidly, above 40,000 feet. There are very few airplanes that fly that high, regularly. Also, aircraft performance issues need to be understood, as well. An airplane heavily loaded, with say, fuel and payload, can't climb as high as one that is lighter after, say, some time to burn off the fuel enroute. This is basic, and understood by many, many people in the Aviation field.

Originally posted by brocket99
up so high I couldn't make them out,[...]I watched the same planes for over an hour

It can't be both ways. You can't reasonably say you watched the "same planes" just after claiming they were too high to "make out." There's no way you can be certain they were the same planes.

here's an interesting video i came across not too long ago. from the looks of it, it appears to be a newer video..2009.

i'd say this is a "smoking gun" video and a must see for anybody who's ever debated chemtrail vs. contrail.





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reply to post by banned4life


Banned4life. Im supprised you would create your account just to post in this thread. Welcome to ats.

Its a pity you have learned nothing after all that this thread has discussed. Chemtrails are a fariy tale.

Originally posted by Hazelnut
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Baloney! The planes that leave the grid or x patterns in the sky are not commercial airliners.

These contails were produced by commercial airliners. Fact.

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Obviously they are not chemtrails unles all contrails are chemtrails.

So what do chemtrails look like?

It's the fundamental problem we have: alleged chemtrails look idential to normal contrais, as have been studied in detail for decdaes (so we do know what contrails look like and how they normally behave!)

And once it's shown that normal contrails are not chemtrails peoplse start suggetsing cloud seeding or chaff are chemtrails - despite such thing ot being visible from the ground.

And the threads go on and on and on and on and on because some people have to believe regardless of the total lack of evidence. Especially since nasty evil science tells them they are wrong which proves nasty evil science is involved in a massive conspiracy involving millions of people - which we know must be the case because nasty evil science tells me I am wrong

Cranberry:

I couldnt make the planes out to see what kind they were, or even how large, but I could still see them. DO I seriously have to define every frickin detail for you guys to take what I am seeing? Ridiculous.

weedwhacker:

I don't have the knowhow to look that information up, but please be my guess. Take a look at the flight logs or whatever from Seatac, Boeing field, or Fort Lewis. I'm sure youll be able to track down the flights I am talking about with no problem at all. Let me know which ones were flying the highest altitudes above Seattle, back and forth between 2:30-5:30pm.

WHere are you located again? Something tells me you're in the middle of Kansas.

reply to post by cranberrydork

Chemtrails Are Over Las Vegas

www.chembuster.us...
letsrollforums.com...
imageevent.com...
www.pacificfreepress.com...
proliberty.com...
www.whale.to...
www.holmestead.ca...
The picture on this page CLEARLY shows it spraying something
and its not coming out of the engines!
home.earthlink.net...

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Originally posted by brocket99
DO I seriously have to define every frickin detail for you guys to take what I am seeing?

Uh, yes. You do. Especially when you take the bizarre position that you're certain planes you "can't make out" are the "same planes." That's not only weird, it makes zero sense.

Chemtrail threads bring out the single most ignorant subset of ATS posters of any other single topic.

"I See It, So It Must Be!!!"

It's so dumb it's painful.

reply to post by brocket99

WHere are you located again? Something tells me you're in the middle of Kansas.

Ahhh. SO, it was me who was insulting? Just me? Uh-huh....

Actually, joke's on you, because there's a LOT of regular traffic over Kansas. Trans-continental flights, for instnace. Up North, down South, to/from desitnations to the SouthWest of Kansas to locations to the NorthEast. Pick a city pair, any city pair!!

I don't have the knowhow to look that information up, but please be my guess.

What? you don't have the "knowhow"?? If you can sign on to the ATS website, and post on it, you can certainly click the blue linky I provided, right?

OH....wait. Don't. Might spoil the fun with facts.

Take a look at the flight logs or whatever from Seatac, Boeing field, or Fort Lewis. I'm sure youll be able to track down the flights I am talking about with no problem at all.

Ah, more sarcasm. Makes my day.

I'll try not to be insulted.

Let me know which ones were flying the highest altitudes above Seattle, back and forth between 2:30-5:30pm.

YOU are on the "truth quest" --- You do it. Not my job.

reply to post by dodadoom


That's about one of the worst types of contributions to threads at ATS. One big fancy heading and a bunch of links. Do you have any real contribution? Or, are you content to let the intarwebz tell you what you're supposed to think?